Zeeland Considers Alcohol Sales

Zeeland Considers Alcohol Sales

There are 100 comments on the WZZM-TV Grand Rapids story from Feb 6, 2006, titled Zeeland Considers Alcohol Sales. In it, WZZM-TV Grand Rapids reports that:

Zeeland - It's a battle that's taken place before, in one of West Michigan's oldest communities - whether to sell alcohol.

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Jeffery

Ashburn, VA

#1 Feb 8, 2006
I am 100 percent sure that Zeeland is just fine being a alchohol free town. Vitalies, and Pizza Hut have a good business in this town for many years without the alchohol card. The last thing I want to hear is a group of drunks walking home from the bar at midnight being loud and obnoxious. Furthermore, the individuals who are pushing for the legalization of alchohol in Zeeland have from this point on LOST any and all of my business now and the future in which I will live in this quiet community. ie.. Zeeland Hardware, Vitalies, and any other supporters. I don't care if I have to drive 10 miles to get something I need, my dollar will not pass to those individuals who are making an attempt to disrupt my quiet and peaceful community. I am hoping that many of you reading this posting will take the same position reguarding the supporters of the alchohol issue by not supporting their business either. If this for some strange coincidence is cleared by the city council, I will make the best effort to run every one of them supporting this issue out of office.
Jeffery

Ashburn, VA

#2 Feb 8, 2006
This thing isn't right.. I'm from Zeeland Michigan
Bill Aamoth

United States

#3 Feb 9, 2006
It is people like you that make me sick. You say that you don't want people stubling through town drunk, guess what, it is already happening. It has been happening for a long time. This rediculis ban on selling alcohol does nothing to stop people in zeeland from drinking, and in my own opinion, makes it more dangerous. You say you would rather drive 10 miles out of town to get a drink with your dinner, fine. Don't kill me with your car when your going home drunk. Zeeland has very high numbers of drunk drivers and incidents involving alcohol, ask any ZPD. People drive to holland, sit in a bar, and come back through downtown drunk to get home, and risk the live of every one to do so. Ignoring the issue of people drinking will not make it go away, so why not let them do it in a safer enviroment, while bringing in money, and encouraging local buissness. You say you will run every councilman out of office that supports this law, well i will one up you. I will buy every one of them a beer at one of our localy owned fine establishments. You can even come too.
Jeffery

Ashburn, VA

#4 Feb 9, 2006
Your 10 mile reference to get a drink is unfounded. I said to get something like maybe a broom. I do not drink and drive nor do I plan to start. If you want a beer, go somewhere else. I am not advocating any preconcieved notions that I don't drink, I do. My drinking consists of a six pack of specialty beer a week, spread out in any way I feel. Concerning your reference to Zeeland and drunk drivers, have you looked at the arrest ratio for lets say Zeeland verses an alchohol town. I'm sure the alchohol offenses are considerably greater elsewhere. I'm sure the Zeeland alchohol would decrease even more if the night officers would patrol the residential area, in which their pay comes from, rather than hovering around Chicago drive trying to harrass folks just passing through.
Carrie

Holland, MI

#5 Feb 11, 2006
Ok.... lets get real now......I work in Zeeland and there is no where decent to eat .......BRING ON SOME REAL RESTURANTS!!!!
mee too

Holland, MI

#6 Feb 11, 2006
Hi, I don't drink at all, But, I also agree in Zeeland, you drive to another town and drink at local restaurants and buy alchol from their stores. Keep the money in your own town!!!
Jeffery

Ashburn, VA

#7 Feb 13, 2006
How about if we give the money to another town and in return they can keep the problems associated with alchohol also
Pat S

Saint Charles, IL

#8 Feb 14, 2006
Whats the difference if you bring it home in a bag or get it in a nice diner? Not all drinkers are drunks. Usually only those who sneak it in a brown bag, so your neighbors won't know. Get Real.
unknown

Ashburn, VA

#9 Feb 14, 2006
You people are idiots. A nice restaurant may move to Zeeland, BUT it'll go out of business also. Get real!
Steve M

Grand Rapids, MI

#10 Feb 15, 2006
Hey, I live in Holland. I think that they should keep Zeeland dry!!! This way all of the people that live in Zeeland that drink will continue to boost the economy in Holland!!! If anyone in Zeeland thinks that the people of Zeeland don't drink, they are sadly mistaken! I have to laugh about this whole thing... It is like the Christian Reforms, they are publicly against alcohol and work on Sundays, but they are heavy alcoholics in their home, and if they want to buy the alcoholin Holland, so be it!
Jeffery Zeeland MI

Ashburn, VA

#11 Feb 15, 2006
The feedback here is great. So far no one from Zeeland except myself has an opinion. If you don't live in Zeeland, keep your "I don't live in Zeeland but I have strong opinions" to yourself. You want to have a voice, buy a house, live hear for six months or so, then after the relaxing quietness of a community that rolls up the sidewalks at 6pm. sets in, then you can express your opinion.
SGP

Grand Haven, MI

#12 Feb 16, 2006
Jeffrey, if you wanted only Zeeland people to reply, why did you post your comment on this forum?
Jeffery Zeeland MI

Ashburn, VA

#13 Feb 19, 2006
Yeah, big question on that one, each reply it tells me I'm from a different area.(???)
Julia in Zeeland

Holland, MI

#14 Feb 21, 2006
Well, I live in Zeeland, and I think it's WAY past time to lift this ban! So do my neighbors. Jeffrey, if you honestly think Zeeland is dry now, I say you need to get out and learn the truth. We already have the 'problems'(teens drinking, drunk drivers, etc) of alcohol, but none of the 'benefits'(revenue, nice restaurant, people coming downtown). You say you will try to run the businesses out who support this, then you say you'll run the councilmen out who support this, what is next, every neighbor who doesn't agree with you? Wouldn't it be easier for you to just take your butt out of town, from the sounds of it, the only person who doesn't like the idea of alcohol in Zeeland is YOU!
Allan

Lawrence, KS

#15 Feb 21, 2006
As a former resident of GR, I say keep the ban. Otherwise we'd have to find another town with a stupid outlook on the world to make fun of. Maybe Portland, for not letting that trailer park in.
Jeff from Zeeland

Paw Paw, MI

#16 Feb 21, 2006
Have ya gotten out to the town meetings lately or were ya too busy nursing your alcoholic beverage to really get the true feelings of myself and the majority of this quiet town. Oh, and by the way, Julia... where were those drunken partys again. For some reason I haven't seen any of em, ever! Unless you live on the north side of the RR tracks. That I would consider to be a lesser class area and they may engage in that type activity. Tah Tah!
SGP

Grand Haven, MI

#17 Feb 21, 2006
Oh Jeffrey....do you have any idea how arrogant that sounds? You're running a good campaign for the opposition with words like that.

I actually had to stop and wonder if you really ARE the opposition, trying to get people fired up to prove that you're wrong and getting the alcohol sales voted in. Which side are you REALLY on......?
Julia in Zeeland

Holland, MI

#18 Feb 23, 2006
Why yes, Jeff, I was recently at both of the council meetings relating to the alcohol issue; I even spoke at both of them. The first one I attended, I had no intention of addressing the council, but as I listened to one illogical, emotional outburst after another, all in front of various news media, I had this terrible sense of dread, knowing we would be portrayed as a bunch of illiterate boobs. I listened as a few self-proclaimed Christians threatened their neighbors, the businesses, the council; basically trying to bully everyone into doing things their way regardless of the fact that they didn’t bring any FACTS forward to support their position. Just fear mongering and bullying.

The second meeting was a very bizarre experience for me. As I walked into the room, I was suddenly crowded by people who wanted to shake my hand and were inviting me to sit with them! People I don’t know were calling me by name and thanking me for expressing their thoughts so well! Yes, there were a few people at that meeting who were opposed to lifting the ban, but they were definitely in the minority. OK, maybe there were 6 present, I was being generous. Half of those didn’t even live in town, they had driven over from Holland to tell us how to run our town!

Should I bother to point out the obvious, that your posts are nothing but more of the same,‘christian’ mud slinging? You don’t know me, that is apparent from your attempt to discredit me. I will have a glass of wine every couple of months or so, usually when having a nice dinner at a good restaurant. You see, Jeff, in the real world, it’s a beverage choice, not a moral issue. Those drunken parties you are so interested in? Well, typically those are being hosted by the kids in the church youth group, the one I cannot let my daughter attend because I don’t want her to have that sort of influence. I can’t help it if you are so unaware of what is going on in this town that you haven’t noticed them. But thank you, I am so relieved to know that there is a ‘wrong’ side of the tracks in this town and fortune smiled on me when I landed on the ‘right’ side!

I agree with the sentiments expressed by Mayor Pro-Temp Gruppen at the last meeting, apparently you weren’t paying attention so I’ll sum it up for you. This shameful, hateful behavior is making a spectacle of our community. It’s unbecoming, un-neighborly and not at all what most of us think of as typical ‘Zeeland’ behavior. It doesn’t matter what everyone’s opinion on this issue is if they cannot even discuss it in a mature, respectful manner. Personally, I think she was too kind. I am thankful everyday that there are true Christians in this town, good people with love and kindness in their hearts. And we are tired of you ‘pseudo-christians’ trashing our town and community!
Julia in Zeeland

Holland, MI

#19 Feb 23, 2006
Oh, btw, a six-pack a week?! It doesn't count because it is 'specialty beer'? And you have the nerve to try to cast ME as a 'drunk'? You are a hypocrit.
OPPOSED

United States

#20 Feb 23, 2006
I DON'T WANT THE ALCOHOL TO BE SOLD EITHER JEFF BUT WE AREN'T GOING TO GET ANYONE TO AGREE WITH US BY BEING MEAN. I DONT FEEL ALCOHOL SHOULD BE SOLD BECAUSE I BELIEVE ALCOHOL IS NOT WHAT MAKES OR BREAKS A TOWN, AND IF IT IS IT SEEMS TO ME THE TOWN MUST HAVE DEEPER ISSUES, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN VOICED YET. EVERY TOWN HAS ISSUES ONE BEING THE ECONOMY WE LIVE IN AND LITTLE STORES PLAIN AND SIMPLE HAVE A HARDER TIME MAKING IT BECAUSE THIER PRICES HAVE TO BE A LITTLE HIGHER. HOWEVER, INSTEAD OF BOYCOTTING ZEELAND STORES, WHY ARE WE NOT SHOPPING THEM SO THEY DON'T FEEL IT NECESSARY TO THINK THEY NEED ALCOHOL TO MAKE THIER STORES PROFITABLE.

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