Suicide common at shooting ranges

Full story: WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan

A Grand Rapids woman took her own life at the Silver Bullet Firearms shooting range at 5121 S. Division Avenue in Wyoming.
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Amityville, NY

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Nov 29, 2008
 

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Those that choose safety over freedom deserve neither...or something like that
Those that are willing to give up freedom for security deserve neither.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

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#462
Nov 29, 2008
 
Why Not wrote:
Let me ask you this?
Are these Vulcan 9mm conversion kits worth the time? My G/F and all the kids handle the recoil (or lack)of .223 very well, but 9mm I can get for dirt cheap prices.
I bought one conversion kits for a friend to make his 1911 a .22 for his grandkids and he loves it.
go to www.subguns.com click on "message boards", then click on "moderated discussion board", then post your message there...someone with experience will be glad to reply to your post. I have no experience with 9MM conversions for AR15, but I'm sure there are many over at suguns that do.
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Richard_Head wrote:
<quoted text>go to www.subguns.com click on "message boards", then click on "moderated discussion board", then post your message there...someone with experience will be glad to reply to your post. I have no experience with 9MM conversions for AR15, but I'm sure there are many over at suguns that do.
Think I will. I have about every other gadget I carry on it, except the ACOG, which is next, although to be honest, I do not like the eye relief on it, I prefer the open eye EOTEC.
What kinds of guns do you have? I am an WWI WWII collector who hunts a lot.

XM-15E2S (2007)
Lee Enfield SMLE No1MkIII*(1915)
Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine (1932)
Springfield 1903a3 (1934)
M1 Garand (1944)
Schmitt Rubin Straight Pull 1911 Carbine (1917)
Remington Model 8 (1908) Yes, 100
Winchester Model 94 Wide Ring .44 (1995)
Winchester Model 94 Black Shadow .444 (1999)
Winchester Model 1300 Marine Stainless (1990)
Benelli Nova Tactical (2006)
Winchester Model 70 XLT Featherweight (1992)
CVA Aristocrat.223 Single shot Heavy Barrel (1987)

next one is going to be the M-14, preferably the SOCOM setup....
Shoeless Eluder

Burton, MI

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#464
Nov 29, 2008
 
10:40 PM Pink Floyd " Dark Side of the Moon" on WGVU
Sal

Holland, MI

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#465
Nov 29, 2008
 
Sosilist...er i mean liberal propaganda.

the libs hate guns because they can't rule over an armed citizenry.

Now..some lib is going to report this post to get it removed, true to nature of liberalism

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Nov 29, 2008
 
Why Not wrote:
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What kinds of guns do you have? I am an WWI WWII collector who hunts a lot.
XM-15E2S (2007)
Lee Enfield SMLE No1MkIII*(1915)
Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine (1932)
Springfield 1903a3 (1934)
M1 Garand (1944)
Schmitt Rubin Straight Pull 1911 Carbine (1917)
Remington Model 8 (1908) Yes, 100
Winchester Model 94 Wide Ring .44 (1995)
Winchester Model 94 Black Shadow .444 (1999)
Winchester Model 1300 Marine Stainless (1990)
Benelli Nova Tactical (2006)
Winchester Model 70 XLT Featherweight (1992)
CVA Aristocrat.223 Single shot Heavy Barrel (1987)
next one is going to be the M-14, preferably the SOCOM setup....
I kind of figured that if you didn't have a Springfield M1A in your collection, you'd be thinking of getting one.

Nice collection by the way.

I was collecting the more recent military style rifles since the late 1980's and have had many AR15s, some Colt and some I built up from after market lower receivers and surplus parts.

I still have a Colt H-Bar, a registered Short Barreled Rifle on a Grizzly L.A.R. 15 lower, a 1994 AWB configured AR15 on Pacific West Arms lower. After that a gaggle of .308 main battle rifles, one is a pristine pre-1989 SAR48, the other two are post-1994 ban configured G3 variants.

1 IMI Mini Uzi carbine 9mm pre-1989
1 Armalite 180 pre-1989 from England
1 Russian Tula armory refurb SKS
1 Yugoslavian M92 Krinkov post-2004
3 registered silencers (9MM,.223,.22LR)
2 transferable sub guns pre-1986 (.45ACP and 9mm)
1 regestered SBS that is a Remington 1100 with a ported 14" barrel and Wilson Combat sights
1 10" registered A.O.W. that was governemnt contract over-run door breacher Remington 870LM modular combat shotgun
1 USP .40 cal
1 Walther P22
1 US Govt style Springield Armory 1911 in .45ACP
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Nov 30, 2008
 
Richard_Head wrote:
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I kind of figured that if you didn't have a Springfield M1A in your collection, you'd be thinking of getting one.
Nice collection by the way.
I was collecting the more recent military style rifles since the late 1980's and have had many AR15s, some Colt and some I built up from after market lower receivers and surplus parts.
I still have a Colt H-Bar, a registered Short Barreled Rifle on a Grizzly L.A.R. 15 lower, a 1994 AWB configured AR15 on Pacific West Arms lower. After that a gaggle of .308 main battle rifles, one is a pristine pre-1989 SAR48, the other two are post-1994 ban configured G3 variants.
1 IMI Mini Uzi carbine 9mm pre-1989
1 Armalite 180 pre-1989 from England
1 Russian Tula armory refurb SKS
1 Yugoslavian M92 Krinkov post-2004
3 registered silencers (9MM,.223,.22LR)
2 transferable sub guns pre-1986 (.45ACP and 9mm)
1 regestered SBS that is a Remington 1100 with a ported 14" barrel and Wilson Combat sights
1 10" registered A.O.W. that was governemnt contract over-run door breacher Remington 870LM modular combat shotgun
1 USP .40 cal
1 Walther P22
1 US Govt style Springield Armory 1911 in .45ACP
Nice collection you got brewing there too!

ahh the 1911, does it get better? ahhhh
The Shootist

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Dec 9, 2008
 
Kimber team match 45 acp
Colt 45 acp
Reminton rand 1943 45 acp
1942 byf luger
Mauser HSC
Walther p38
keltec .32
smith wesson 38 air weight
smith wesson 357 626
springfield XD 9mm
ruger 22/45
browning buckmark target 22

springfield m1 garand 1942
springfield m1 garand 1945
k31
RRA AR 15
springfild 03
springfield 03A3
inland M1 carbine
mossburg 44
rem 700 06
rem 870 12 ga
ruger 1022

I Don't hunt, just compete.

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

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Phoenix, AZ.

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Dec 9, 2008
 
Would highly recommend not revealing what you may own. ISP's can be tracked and the government, (as well as other thieves), could take advantage of the knowledge....

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

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Dec 10, 2008
 
GunShowOnTheNet wrote:
Would highly recommend not revealing what you may own. ISP's can be tracked and the government,(as well as other thieves), could take advantage of the knowledge....
Sage advice!
Why Not

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Dec 11, 2008
 
GunShowOnTheNet wrote:
Would highly recommend not revealing what you may own. ISP's can be tracked and the government,(as well as other thieves), could take advantage of the knowledge....
I remember that post.I might enjoy watching them raid Starbucks with the Pink Panther Squad.Why not, thats where they are now!

I can say safely say that I am pretty sure they know what I got and where I got it. The government that is, as for theives, bring a forklift and a welding torch, and a few days worth of food.....It will be a long wekend.
the master cylinder

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Dec 11, 2008
 
Why Not wrote:
<quoted text>I might enjoy watching them raid Starbucks with the Pink Panther Squad.
or the ISP at the public library or the one at some hotel with wifi.
Jen

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Nov 16, 2012
 
Tory II wrote:
Jack,
Between Aug, 2008 and Oct, 2008 there were five shootings, four assaults and a robbery in Sydney:
here is a map of the crimes:
http://www.spotcrime.com/au/sydney
That little Aussie crime wave is trivial compared to Chicago where the handgun is banned and carrying firearms in public are banned along with many other weapon bans. Chicago bans fragmenting bullets, laser sights, and concealed knives with blades longer than 2.5 inches:
Look at the crime map for Chicago:
http://www.spotcrime.com/il/chicago
If an armed maniac attempts a shooting rampage in Chicago, many will die because only the thugs are armed. Chicagoans have been brainwashed into believing guns are evil rather than lifesaving.
The crime rate is downward for the US while the firearm ownership rate is upward. Read 'The Bias Against Guns' by Prof John Lott. The book is about a statistical proof of the benefits vs the costs of gun ownership. One point (proven) is where citizens are allowed to carry guns in public there are zero multiple victim shooting rampages, exactly the opposite of what Jack claims to have occurred in Australia (Britain has a similar excuse too.)
http://www.spotcrime.com/uk/london
Does it make a difference to you (Jack) if it requires two years for thirty Aussies to die (from guns or any type of weapon) or if it can or does occur in one or two days ? Can you prove there will never be another multiple victim killing spree (or shooting rampage) in Australia because of gun possession restrictions ? It's been quite some time since England had a multiple victim shooting rampage.
I was raised in Chicago, live just outside the area, and have never witnessed a shooting of any type, have never seen a Terrorist and probably never will. Everyday I live in fear that govt will either take away my guns or that police will either harass me or make up false charges and have me arrested.
I fear the govt more than I fear the criminal.
If a burglar entered my home, in the middle of the night, I can stop him; if the govt enters in the middle of the night, if I stop them, I get life in jail or I get the death penalty (if I survive).
A pacifist like you is as deadly as a sociopath like Martin Bryant and any govt that would disarm citizens. The 18 hour Port Arthur Massacre would have given hundreds of people at the scene the opportunity to easily shoot a maniac such as Martin Bryant (if only they had been properly taught that personal protection is a personal and civic responsibility).
Thousands of unarmed people die every year because they're disarmed by governments, and millions have died from the hands of govt because govt disarmed them first.
Your defense that Australian gun restrictions has saved lives is probably more deadly than your small pea-sized brain could ever imagine.
I have to agree with you. At the Aurora theater shooting, a man killed 12 people and injured 58 more. This could of had a happier ending if the 4 marines that were present were carrying their side arms. I feel they would have had a better chance at their attempt to subdue him if they were armed as well. Gun laws do almost nothing to help keep people safe. The only people who follow them are upstanding citizens. If someone wants to commit a heinous crime they will. No law is going to stop them. The crime itself is against the law. What would make them follow one law hindering them from breaking another? No argument anyone makes for tougher gun laws will effect the simple logic in this.

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