Norma Rae

United States

#1 Mar 14, 2013
A friend of mine got fired for supposedly stealing money from a co-worker’s tool box at a textile factory. These two guys, that he thought were his friends, hid a “camera” nearby the tool box and when he came by and took some quarters, the camera recorded it. My friend said that the factory had vending machines and he needed some quarters from time to time and he would borrow some quarters and would later re-pay the guy’s tool box with some dollars. He said that the worse part of it all was that he thought this guy, as well as another guy that helped to trap him, were his friends. He said nothing was ever mentioned to him to not be exchanging his dollar bills for quarters, from this guy’s tool box. I couldn’t help but wonder if the company was within its’ rights to fire him, due to how this happened? First of all, the camera that captured this wasn’t a “in plain sight” company security camera, but a sneaky hidden camera. Public businesses and government buildings notify the public of any security observations by posting signs informing them that they are being monitored. By hiding a camera you are obviously trying to “catch” or “entrap” someone in doing something that you want to use against them. You could take a photo or make a recording of anyone in a work place or public area and make up any kind of a story to add to the photo or recording of what you believed was taking place in it. It’s not really proof of anything. For example, someone with their arm across someone’s shoulder’s could be taken with a camera and said “this is sexual harassment,” when it was actually just a friendly gesture. It’s just your word against theirs. Let’s break it down: My friend says that he had exchanged the dollar bills for coins before and didn’t think there was any big deal about it and was unaware that his co-workers were plotting against him. His co-worker placed a camera in a hidden area to record him taking the coins. He only took some pocket change. But the tool box was full of expensive tools, etc. So, if my friend is such a thief, why did he only take dimes, nickels and quarters when there was hundreds of dollars worth of tools available to swipe, too? Oh, by the way, my friend had a very good paying job and was up for a supervisor position at the factory in the coming months and is also about to graduate from college. Hmmmmm, maybe someone wanted him out of the way so that they could have the supervisor position??
Oops

Blacksburg, SC

#2 Mar 14, 2013
Well I have bad news. When you take people's personal property without permission, regardless of the intent to pay back, it is theft. Your friend should have let the owner of the property know he was "borrowing quarters." Also, in accordance with the law, this is considered as misconduct and, unfortunately for your friend, will not be elgible to get unemployment benefits.

Also the cameras are legal. When you're on someone else's property, you have to play by their rules.

Best of luck to your friend. Maybe college will teach him some common sense.
My-O-My

Marshall, NC

#3 Mar 14, 2013
Hey Norma....Does YOUR friend know your posting this stuff??? Just wondering what kind of friend you are? I don't think this situation is for the dummies on Topix to be discussing.Why should anyone take your word for what happened to your Friend...!Sounds to me like your just trying to start trouble for something you really know nothing about.
lpa

United States

#4 Mar 15, 2013
Over the years he took not dollar but thousands of dollars
Norma Rae

Burlington, NC

#5 Mar 15, 2013
lpa wrote:
Over the years he took not dollar but thousands of dollars
How do you know that he did this? What did he take that cost "thousands of dollars" or how did he get that much cash in a place like this? These are poor working class people, after all.
Snowjob

United States

#6 Mar 15, 2013
I heard about this happening to this guy up there in the mountains. I'm at a division of this place and there are some investigating going on concerning how this came about and just exactly who this guy's termination benefited. I met him during a visit there and he didn't seem the type that would knowingly take something without either asking or saying, "I'll pay you back," and then later follow it through. If it had been me that he took the coins from and I saw him take them, wheather he paid me back or not, I would have confronted him man to man and asked him to not do it anymore. I think that would have been the end of it and no one would have to lose their job over a handful of change. Wow...a few coins and a man loses his lively hood. Pathetic.
Norma Rae

United States

#7 Mar 15, 2013
My-O-My wrote:
Hey Norma....Does YOUR friend know your posting this stuff??? Just wondering what kind of friend you are? I don't think this situation is for the dummies on Topix to be discussing.Why should anyone take your word for what happened to your Friend...!Sounds to me like your just trying to start trouble for something you really know nothing about.
I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone. This is being discussed and no one seems to want to tell that he didn't take the pocket change with no intentions of paying it back. Besides, you're probably one of the one's that was involved in getting rid of him or you wouldn't be so set against him.
Norma Rae

United States

#8 Mar 15, 2013
Oops wrote:
Well I have bad news. When you take people's personal property without permission, regardless of the intent to pay back, it is theft. Your friend should have let the owner of the property know he was "borrowing quarters." Also, in accordance with the law, this is considered as misconduct and, unfortunately for your friend, will not be elgible to get unemployment benefits.
Also the cameras are legal. When you're on someone else's property, you have to play by their rules.
Best of luck to your friend. Maybe college will teach him some common sense.
The factory has security camera's in place in several places. Why "hide" a camera unless you're trying to get someone in trouble on purpose? From what you've said, you seem to know something about the people involved in this. It's sad to know that there are people so low that they would get a guy fired over a bunch of quarters.
Doughnut

United States

#9 Mar 15, 2013
This story is sad, but kinda funny 2. what kind of man puts his pocket change in his tool box anyway? why not carry it in his pants pocket like every man does? I wonder if he carrys a pocketbook, too? haha
GOOBER

United States

#10 Mar 15, 2013
lpa wrote:
Over the years he took not dollar but thousands of dollars
"Thousands of dollars??" Wow!! I want to work there, too!! I wish I had "thousands of dollars" to leave laying around in tool boxes!! LOL
lpa

Mars Hill, NC

#11 Mar 16, 2013
you dummies dont know nothing getting money out of woman pocketbook is that ok to
Ethics

Burnsville, NC

#12 Mar 16, 2013
So lets talk about ethics a minute. First and foremost, regardless if it was a handful of pennies, hand full of quarters, or a hand full of $100's. The fact is this dumbass took his coworkers property without permission. Even if he returned it later, the fact is he did not get permission from the owner of the property to take it to begin with. Hard hard is that to accept?

Yes, I agree that the person who owned the change should've had it on their person, but it's also possible that they didn't have pockets and put said change in their toolbox so they did not have to carry a wallet or pocketbook. Whatever the case, the toolbox was like an employee locker for this person. If employee does not have locker, then employer should provide locking mechanism to put on toolbox where it can be secured from sticky fingers like your friend.

Your friend, and other melon heads who smoke dope in the parking lots during lunch, are the kind of person who gives companies in this area a bad reputation and make them a bad place to work. Thank God the employer sent the employee packing with a one-way ticket home. However, to be honest with you, if it were me in my factory, your friend would have also had formal charges pressed against him for his larceny.
Norma Rae

United States

#13 Mar 21, 2013
Ethics wrote:
So lets talk about ethics a minute. First and foremost, regardless if it was a handful of pennies, hand full of quarters, or a hand full of $100's. The fact is this dumbass took his coworkers property without permission. Even if he returned it later, the fact is he did not get permission from the owner of the property to take it to begin with. Hard hard is that to accept?
Yes, I agree that the person who owned the change should've had it on their person, but it's also possible that they didn't have pockets and put said change in their toolbox so they did not have to carry a wallet or pocketbook. Whatever the case, the toolbox was like an employee locker for this person. If employee does not have locker, then employer should provide locking mechanism to put on toolbox where it can be secured from sticky fingers like your friend.
Your friend, and other melon heads who smoke dope in the parking lots during lunch, are the kind of person who gives companies in this area a bad reputation and make them a bad place to work. Thank God the employer sent the employee packing with a one-way ticket home. However, to be honest with you, if it were me in my factory, your friend would have also had formal charges pressed against him for his larceny.
I once had some stuff taken from my locker at work and I suspected one of my co-workers in taking the stuff, so I told my Supervisor. My Supervisor said, "put a lock on your locker if you want to keep people out of your stuff." Simple solution, so I did. No more "taking stuff" happened. I also know that a lot of the workers that do the same kind of jobs "borrow" one another's tools from each others tool boxes and work areas. Sometimes the tools get returned and sometimes they don't. I don't recall anyone loosing their jobs about it. And no, I don't think it would be a good idea to call the cops in on some pocket change missing and having charges of larceny added to the job lost. Enough people are mad the way it is. God knows about it and that's enough.
lpa

United States

#14 Mar 21, 2013
Norma you just have a hard time understanding things
Ethics

Bakersville, NC

#15 Mar 22, 2013
Lets talk about ethics again.

Tools on a job site belong to the company, and are not personal property. Therefore, when another employee uses them, then it is not theft.

However, if an employee takes another employees personal property (money, food, etc) then it is called THEFT.

THEFT IS THEFT. No matter if its a dollar or a hundred dollars, the crime is the same, and in God's eyes, the sin is the same.

Now explain to me again why the thief shouldn't be charged? It might be quarters today, but might be bigger amounts (or bigger valued items) tomorrow.
chevy

Barnardsville, NC

#16 Mar 23, 2013
my my you dont now who you work with or who your neighbor is you dont wrong get by come out end.
Wut

Burnsville, NC

#17 Mar 23, 2013
Dude stop speaking in retard and learn English. Your statement didn't make a bit of sense Chevy.
yes sir

Burnsville, NC

#18 Mar 24, 2013
Nora your supervisor did the wrong thing by telling you to lock you things , that was not the awnser to the problem. If you have a problem at work where someone is stealing you set up cameras get your proof and fire them , if you take something thats not yours its STEALING AND IT MAKES YOU A THEIF. I am a buisness owner and i would fire someone if they stole from me and I caught it on camera. I have turned people into the law that I have caught stealing.. Norma do you think I am wrong because I did that? I dont care if its just a candy bar or pennies he took it and it was wrong....
Cant Stand a Thief

Bakersville, NC

#19 Mar 25, 2013
Not reporting a thief is almost as bad a being one. If you let them keep on, they just keep stealing from others.
what up

Barnardsville, NC

#20 Mar 25, 2013
Thats just wrong you steal from anyone you need be fired .the world we live in now they need camers everwhere. im sorry for man but maby this will learn him do not mess with other people things.it all ways hurts when it is a friend.you cant belive they did that. company did right thing.

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