Pro Life Crosses At The Bank
Notachristian

Belvidere, IL

#145 Jan 31, 2013
Antitheist see how quickly you get personal... It's a common trait of liberals to name call .
So let me get this straight... You are responding to my comment but your response isn't for me? Your right , I'm not intelligent enough for that one.

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#146 Jan 31, 2013
My responses are not for you or your benefit. I'm well aware that some people are brainwashed beyond repair. You are not the only person who reads these posts. Many readers are far more susceptible to reasoned arguments.
Notachristian wrote:
Antitheist see how quickly you get personal... It's a common trait of liberals to name call .
So let me get this straight... You are responding to my comment but your response isn't for me? Your right , I'm not intelligent enough for that one.
Notachristian

Belvidere, IL

#147 Feb 1, 2013
"Do you really care about women that much?" Yes. Around every corner lurks a fanatic who wishes to erode the rights of others.

Do you also support the right to bear arms?

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#148 Feb 1, 2013
Notachristian wrote:
Yiago on your last post you failed to mention one of the biggest problems I have with abortion. That is that what is taken away by abortion is the life that would grow and become a person if left alone. It's convenient to believe that the baby doesn't suffer or know anything but no one totally understands or knows the human mind ..who are you to say? Potentially once implantation takes place , it's a baby in the making. I don't want to ban all choice of abortion, but make it have to be a last choice.
We don't give rights to potential people, only to actual people. The choice is always 100% with the mother of the child. Let her decide whether or not she is going to have the baby.

Scientifically we can say that prior to a certain number of weeks it is literally not possible for a fetus to know anything, feel anything, or have any conscious agency whatsoever. By all rational definitions a fetus at that point cannot suffer and has no rights.

That really should not be shocking. The alternative view is that an entity with no thoughts, feelings, emotions, or ability to sense anything at all has the right to force an actual person to harbor it for 9 months, give birth, and have her life altered forever. Just because some people believe in souls.

Belief is not part of the equation. Rights are part of the equation, and the mother's rights are paramount.

I appreciate your point that you don't want to ban all abortions. But your stipulation that they always be a last resort indicates that the right of the mother to make a choice is not part of your thinking. I think it should be the only element of the decision. Let her decide if this is what she wants to do.

In the case of a child having a child I even think it is better to encourage an abortion since children are not as capable of making rational decisions. We have an obligation to look out for her best interests. Having a baby under the age of 18 is *not* in anyone's best interest.

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#149 Feb 1, 2013
Notachristian wrote:
<quoted text>
B.s. No way. I would raise the child myself first. My child is way too young to have a baby, but she will be taught to respect life.
So the 9 months that her life is turned upside down while she's going through the most tumultuous stage of development in her life means little to you? The fact that everyone will know she's the biological mother, and judge her for it, means nothing?

What if she's 13? 12?

11?

I remember a kid who got a girl pregnant when he was 11 years old. I don't remember the girl's age but it was definitely not much older. They made her have the kid. She probably didn't even know about abortions. I don't know what became of them. But if they are typical, then neither of them reached their potentials. They made a mistake as children and their parents - who ought to have known damn well better - robbed them of their best chance for a successful life.
Notachristian

Belvidere, IL

#150 Feb 1, 2013
> I appreciate your point that you don't want to ban all abortions. But your stipulation that they always be a last resort indicates that the right of the mother to make a choice is not part of your thinking. I think it should be the only element of the decision. Let her decide if this is what she wants to do.<
no I do think of the woman's choice. I am one and of course I want my rights . I desire women to make a choice AFTER they have been given all the information and warned of the consequences. The choice to abort shouldn't be so easy. I guess I root for the underdog, I just want more children to have a better chance at being allowed to live.
Notachristian

Belvidere, IL

#151 Feb 1, 2013
>Belief is not part of the equation. Rights are part of the equation, and the mother's rights are paramount.<

Does your support of a persons rights include all of our "right to" laws or is it on this issue alone?
Notachristian

Belvidere, IL

#152 Feb 1, 2013
>So the 9 months that her life is turned upside down while she's going through the most tumultuous stage of development in her life means little to you? The fact that everyone will know she's the biological mother, and judge her for it, means nothing?<

No it means that life is about consequences and choices. If your daughter knows that abortion is an easy option , she won't be as cautious about getting pregnant. Now if my child was still a child 11 12 or even 13, it would be a very difficult decision. I think I would have to be in the situation to know what I would do.
Notachristian

Belvidere, IL

#153 Feb 1, 2013
>I remember a kid who got a girl pregnant when he was 11 years old. I don't remember the girl's age but it was definitely not much older. They made her have the kid. She probably didn't even know about abortions. I don't know what became of them. But if they are typical, then neither of them reached their potentials. They made a mistake as children and their parents - who ought to have known damn well better - robbed them of their best chance for a successful life.<

An unfortunate situation, yet life is full of such situations . The type of person you are stems from the choices you make , and the actions you take. You also can't judge for another if they are successful or not. Each person has their own idea of success and happiness. If No one is made to live out the end result of their choices or to face the consequences , then it's too easy to make the wrong decisions.
I Witness

Brownsville, TN

#154 Feb 1, 2013
I'll begin supporting the "NO CHOICE" crowd as soon as:

1) Conception announcements begin appearing in church bulletins.
2) My kids begin receiving invitations to their friends' "Conception Day" parties.
3) My drivers license confirms my date of conception.
4) We begin celebrating Xmas on March 25th.
5) We imprison all chronic masturbators for manslaughter.

Millions of children worldwide live in unsafe, unhealthy and unsustainable conditions already. In this nation alone, one-fourth of all (post-utero) children live in poverty.

And you loons want more. Wow.
gomer-ez

Doniphan, MO

#156 Feb 1, 2013
I Witness wrote:
I'll begin supporting the "NO CHOICE" crowd as soon as:
1) Conception announcements begin appearing in church bulletins.
2) My kids begin receiving invitations to their friends' "Conception Day" parties.
3) My drivers license confirms my date of conception.
4) We begin celebrating Xmas on March 25th.
5) We imprison all chronic masturbators for manslaughter.
Millions of children worldwide live in unsafe, unhealthy and unsustainable conditions already. In this nation alone, one-fourth of all (post-utero) children live in poverty.
And you loons want more. Wow.
Most of the 16 year old young men would be in imprisoned by your standers.
gomer-ez

Doniphan, MO

#157 Feb 1, 2013
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#158 Feb 1, 2013
I support the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment is very clear that Americans have a right to bear arms. What does that have to do with a discussion on abortion? Nothing.
Notachristian wrote:
"Do you really care about women that much?" Yes. Around every corner lurks a fanatic who wishes to erode the rights of others.
Do you also support the right to bear arms?

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#159 Feb 1, 2013
Notachristian wrote:
>So the 9 months that her life is turned upside down while she's going through the most tumultuous stage of development in her life means little to you? The fact that everyone will know she's the biological mother, and judge her for it, means nothing?<
No it means that life is about consequences and choices. If your daughter knows that abortion is an easy option , she won't be as cautious about getting pregnant. Now if my child was still a child 11 12 or even 13, it would be a very difficult decision. I think I would have to be in the situation to know what I would do.
Let's say your daughter is 15. One night she and her boyfriend go too far. She gets pregnant. She's old enough to know how it happens and old enough to know how to prevent it. But she's 15. She made a mistake. She wants to go to college, maybe be a doctor. Now she's pregnant.

You would punish her by reducing her chance of success by orders of magnitude in order to basically teach her a lesson?

If it was my daughter an abortion would be the primary choice. I would still ultimately defer to her decision, but at that age I'd be hell bent before I'd let her potentially throw away her life over a dumb mistake.

Plenty of time for kids later. And a pregnancy is not a kid.
Notachristian

River Grove, IL

#160 Feb 1, 2013
We disagree ..it's a kid.

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#161 Feb 1, 2013
Notachristian wrote:
We disagree ..it's a kid.
We disagree with each other, you disagree with medical science, you disagree with the ethics of civil rights, and so forth.

So we disagree. Ok.
commentater

Liberty, KY

#163 Feb 2, 2013
Old wrote:
<quoted text>Look it up in the Physician's Desk Reference, not an abortionist's blog or wikipedia that anyone can falsify
Your PDR must be special.
It does prevent implantation, true. But implantation doesn't occur until approx 2 weeks after conception. Mainly works to inhibit ovulation/fertilization and disrupts tubal transport.

It can prevent ovulation. Sperm lives generally a minimum of 3 days and can live a max of 7 days inside a females reproductive system. So lets say I had sex tonight and the condom broke. I am not due to ovulate for two more days. So if I take the morning after pill it can stop the ovum from maturing and being released, thus I don't have to worry about the sperm that's hanging out there waiting.

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#164 Feb 2, 2013
What I don't get is how people can look at the rampant poverty in the world and still preach against contraception, abortion rights, and sex education. Its like they don't give a crap about what happens after the babies get here and they certainly don't give a crap about the mothers.

In Africa where the problem of poverty is really obvious various churches conduct "missionary" activities where the primary concern is giving out Bibles, preaching against homosexuality, and opposing contraception. Do these folks not see that they are causing *real* suffering? And now in places like Uganga we're seeing a surge of radical Fundamentalism because of these jerkoff Americans who go over there and "preach God's word", which apparently is ok with sick and dying kids as long as Jesus gets his due.
Second Thought

United States

#165 Feb 2, 2013
If you kill , condone, or participate in the killing of a human being , you are a murderer. It does it matter if the victim is 100 years old or just days conceived.
Michael The Disciple

London, KY

#166 Feb 2, 2013
God has taught as sex is only for people who are married to each other. When this is taught to young people most abortions will stop.

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