Somerset-Pulaski County United Govern...
ToCanSam

Stanford, KY

#426 May 14, 2013
Where do you think some of the money came from for the Sewer and Water plants. Grant Money is where it came from, the city does apply for grants, but they're so many wanting grants, that all the money can't come to Somerset, but they get their share and have always got their share.
take over?

Manchester, KY

#427 May 14, 2013
Let's address the theory that the merger study is a "take over" of the City or its assets.

1. All the united group is doing is a study. No one has come out and and asked for the process of merged government be actually started.

2. The total process would take a minimum of five years and likely longer. Personally I do not believe it will happen in less than 10 years, if at all.

The unified group wants to merely start the discussion based upon specific information and not speculation.

3. The modern statutes on the subject (merger or charter) require an ordinance to be passed by the city and county to start the actual process.(No one believes the old (1970s) consolidation statute where a minority petition starts the vote would work. No one is trying to initiate that statute - if that was the groups plan why do a study?)

4. When and if the real process starts. A commission must A. put together a plan, and B. approve it as a commission. That process is public. There is 20-40 appointed citizens on the commission and the appointments are by the county and the city; who could control that size of a group and appointed by different entities?

5. The above plan must be voted in by the public. Everyone will get their say & their vote.

With all of the above hurdles and time it would take, do you really think (or fear) the actions of the united group amount to a take over? Wouldn't there be a much easier way to take over the city?

I can understand the argument that someone may not want local government to pay for the study- I disagree, but I understand. What I cannot understand is why anyone would be against or fear acquiring information and knowledge in order to have a rational and intelligent conversation on trying to advance our community.
gonzo

London, KY

#428 May 14, 2013
Because it is a waste of time and money!!!Simple.
Paul Revere

Somerset, KY

#429 May 14, 2013
I think what people are having a problem with is that this inititive started with a group of business people. Now, I don't have any problem with business people but, the feeling of average residents (especially in this political climate) is that business people are always rich. Of course that isn't always true but, you can understand how jealousy can create those feelings of mistrust.
If this had been a grassroots effort from a broad spectrum of the community, I think the whole thing would have been received alittle more positively.
MMXIII

London, KY

#430 May 14, 2013
The real situation is this: The majority of those members of SPCU live outside the Somerset city limits and are fearful that with the county going bankrupt, they will be most affected by any austerity initiated by the city. It' coming...
take over?

Indianapolis, IN

#431 May 14, 2013
MMXIII wrote:
The real situation is this: The majority of those members of SPCU live outside the Somerset city limits and are fearful that with the county going bankrupt, they will be most affected by any austerity initiated by the city. It' coming...
Ok, assuming the county is going bankrupt for the sake of this discussion (I am not a big fan of county government, but I have no reason to believe it is financially failing); how is a study and a 5 to 10 year merger process going address the fears of those outside the City?

I would think it would be easier and faster to pick-up the pieces of County Government and elect better county leaders.

What do you mean by "austerity initiated by the city?"
take over?

Indianapolis, IN

#432 May 14, 2013
Paul Revere wrote:
I think what people are having a problem with is that this inititive started with a group of business people. Now, I don't have any problem with business people but, the feeling of average residents (especially in this political climate) is that business people are always rich. Of course that isn't always true but, you can understand how jealousy can create those feelings of mistrust.
If this had been a grassroots effort from a broad spectrum of the community, I think the whole thing would have been received alittle more positively.
I hear you "jealousy and mistrust". It is a problem in our community.
Lamont Cranston

London, KY

#433 May 14, 2013
[QUOTE who="take over?"]<quoted text>
Ok, assuming the county is going bankrupt for the sake of this discussion (I am not a big fan of county government, but I have no reason to believe it is financially failing); how is a study and a 5 to 10 year merger process going address the fears of those outside the City?
I would think it would be easier and faster to pick-up the pieces of County Government and elect better county leaders.
What do you mean by "austerity initiated by the city?"[/QUOTE]

When the county can't afford adequate law enforcement protection due to cutbacks, when the county can't afford EMS due to cutbacks, when Waste Management limits service, when volunteer fire departments loose critical funding, when rural water districts loose funding...THEN the city will have to react and circle the wagons to continue to provide protection for their own. By the way, if and when the survey is completed-- there will be panic to implement ASAP.
take over?

Columbus, IN

#434 May 14, 2013
Lamont Cranston wrote:
[QUOTE who="take over?"]<quoted text>
Ok, assuming the county is going bankrupt for the sake of this discussion (I am not a big fan of county government, but I have no reason to believe it is financially failing); how is a study and a 5 to 10 year merger process going address the fears of those outside the City?
I would think it would be easier and faster to pick-up the pieces of County Government and elect better county leaders.
What do you mean by "austerity initiated by the city?""

When the county can't afford adequate law enforcement protection due to cutbacks, when the county can't afford EMS due to cutbacks, when Waste Management limits service, when volunteer fire departments loose critical funding, when rural water districts loose funding...THEN the city will have to react and circle the wagons to continue to provide protection for their own. By the way, if and when the survey is completed-- there will be panic to implement ASAP.
And all the City has to do is say "no"; if the City does not believe merger is in it's best interest. The City cannot be forced to merge with the County.
metropro

Murray, KY

#435 May 14, 2013
ToCanSam wrote:
Where do you think some of the money came from for the Sewer and Water plants. Grant Money is where it came from, the city does apply for grants, but they're so many wanting grants, that all the money can't come to Somerset, but they get their share and have always got their share.
No they didn't. The previous administration had received some grant money for the sewer plant and water plant projects but the city (under new management) didn't use it. The money was sent back to DC. I believe the total was 18 million for the two projects. That money was replaced with a loan. I know that the city has been granted some scattered home site funding and a few small usda grants but the majority of city spending is the result of new debt. When you borrow the money you do not have the obligations that you have with grant funding.
metropro

Murray, KY

#436 May 14, 2013
[QUOTE who="take over?"]<quoted text>
Ok, assuming the county is going bankrupt for the sake of this discussion (I am not a big fan of county government, but I have no reason to believe it is financially failing); how is a study and a 5 to 10 year merger process going address the fears of those outside the City?
I would think it would be easier and faster to pick-up the pieces of County Government and elect better county leaders.
What do you mean by "austerity initiated by the city?"[/QUOTE]

I worry more about financial problems of the city. The county doesn't have very much money compared to the city but they don't have the spending budget either. The city was in very good financial condition when Girdler came into office but I don't see how they can still be considering the loans to add rides to the water park, the purchase of the YMCA, the 8.5 million dollar gas station the high salaries they have added. It seems like all they do is spend money. the new 8+ million dollar city hall is another reason to worry. The thing everyone is missing here is the city budget vs. property tax base. the average residential value is 62k in the city. The county has all of the tax base. If the city falls on its face they will not be able to raise property taxes high enough to pay off their debt. this is why there has been a issue with annexation and second class status. To add: almost 6 out of ten homes in the city are not occupied by their owners. the average rental income is less than $400 per month. I do not see any investment in the city tax base with those estimates. and remember the city lost population in this last census. the study group may have real concern.
ToCanSam

Stanford, KY

#437 May 15, 2013
I watched both gundbreakings, both times the guys from USDA were there handing out grant money, not sure exactly how much, but some on both plants were from grants.

I agree on the spending and high salaries, most of those guys that are in management aren't there enough to even get a pay check and when they are there, they do nothing at all, all the people that are in the highest positions are in them because of who they are or who they are connected with, it dang sure wouldn't be for what they know, of course the former Mayor was the same way, promote for who you are, not for what you know.

The Mayor may see the light if a few more turn on him or he finds out just how many are working behind his back to make it look bad on him, he will be surprised, maybe even shocked.
ToCanSam

Stanford, KY

#438 May 15, 2013
groundbreakings
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#439 May 25, 2013
According to today's CJ, the study in underway and should be completed in 4 months.

http://somerset-kentucky.com/newslive/x137470...
gonzo

East Bernstadt, KY

#440 May 25, 2013
Tough Love wrote:
According to today's CJ, the study in underway and should be completed in 4 months.
http://somerset-kentucky.com/newslive/x137470...
Waste of money....and a joke that the (broke) county government is helping foot the bill.But the magistrates and Barty is pretty much "Saturdday night live" type entertainment.
somerset

Pineville, KY

#441 May 26, 2013
Paul Revere wrote:
I think what people are having a problem with is that this inititive started with a group of business people. Now, I don't have any problem with business people but, the feeling of average residents (especially in this political climate) is that business people are always rich. Of course that isn't always true but, you can understand how jealousy can create those feelings of mistrust.
If this had been a grassroots effort from a broad spectrum of the community, I think the whole thing would have been received alittle more positively.
I agree with you, lookat the people in charge of this group. Some have exploited our residents everyday with gas prices (why doesn't Senator Girdler say something about this?) Cause they are his political donors, the guy in charge of the group is a questionable character, they picked the wrong people to lead this charge.
tony

Pineville, KY

#442 May 26, 2013
ToCanSam wrote:
I watched both gundbreakings, both times the guys from USDA were there handing out grant money, not sure exactly how much, but some on both plants were from grants.
I agree on the spending and high salaries, most of those guys that are in management aren't there enough to even get a pay check and when they are there, they do nothing at all, all the people that are in the highest positions are in them because of who they are or who they are connected with, it dang sure wouldn't be for what they know, of course the former Mayor was the same way, promote for who you are, not for what you know.
The Mayor may see the light if a few more turn on him or he finds out just how many are working behind his back to make it look bad on him, he will be surprised, maybe even shocked.
Girdler has always been the type to reward butt kissing instead of listening to what people that disagree with him have to say, i would trust a man that tells me like it is any day than one that will smile and say yes, then stick it to me behind my back. He has many many enemys at city hall, that work there, mostly his minions, that talk about him at every chance they get but smile and tell him how great he is to his face, if Girdler is re-elected he better take a long look at some of the key department managers and the jobs they actually do.
gonzo

East Bernstadt, KY

#443 May 26, 2013
tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Girdler has always been the type to reward butt kissing instead of listening to what people that disagree with him have to say, i would trust a man that tells me like it is any day than one that will smile and say yes, then stick it to me behind my back. He has many many enemys at city hall, that work there, mostly his minions, that talk about him at every chance they get but smile and tell him how great he is to his face, if Girdler is re-elected he better take a long look at some of the key department managers and the jobs they actually do.
Re-elected? That is interesting!
ToCanSam

Greenbrier, AR

#444 May 26, 2013
tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Girdler has always been the type to reward butt kissing instead of listening to what people that disagree with him have to say, i would trust a man that tells me like it is any day than one that will smile and say yes, then stick it to me behind my back. He has many many enemys at city hall, that work there, mostly his minions, that talk about him at every chance they get but smile and tell him how great he is to his face, if Girdler is re-elected he better take a long look at some of the key department managers and the jobs they actually do.
He will be shocked when a few turns on him if this new government starts to take form, some are just waiting to see how this goes, they are just riding the fence right now.
study

Somerset, KY

#445 Dec 6, 2013
It has been forever! Where is this study the county threw taxpayer money at? I thought it was supposed to be completed in September...

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