Farmers fear Congress might crack dow...

Farmers fear Congress might crack down on illegal labor

There are 276 comments on the The Kansas City Star story from Jul 30, 2011, titled Farmers fear Congress might crack down on illegal labor. In it, The Kansas City Star reports that:

BURLINGTON, Wash. If you buy strawberry Haagen-Dazs ice cream, Steve Sakuma says, there's an 80 percent chance that you're going to get his berries, grown on some of the richest black soil in America, in northern Washington state, about 50 miles from the Canadian border.

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“George Soros & The Dummy!”

Since: Jun 11

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#1 Jul 30, 2011
Oh, boo hoo, cry me a river. NOT!!!

Follow the law & you won't have problems. Everyone hiring illegals to work their farms knew this day would come, and they were told to encourage their field workers to get work visas to be in compliance. If they didn't do that, it is on the farmer and the illegals that they illegally hire.

No pity here.
Reality Check

Jacksonville, FL

#2 Jul 31, 2011
Darth Troll wrote:
Oh, boo hoo, cry me a river. NOT!!!
Follow the law & you won't have problems. Everyone hiring illegals to work their farms knew this day would come, and they were told to encourage their field workers to get work visas to be in compliance. If they didn't do that, it is on the farmer and the illegals that they illegally hire.
No pity here.
The pity will ours when scarcity and high prices started to hit the wallets and when taxpayers will have to further subsidise and bail out the farmering community all due to ignorance and don't forget food is one of our economic muscles.
VillageMystery

Huntsville, AL

#3 Jul 31, 2011
So be it. Americans will adjust. There is already a growing "co-op" movement and also a localized farming movement which involves smaller farms. Don't worry, Haagen-Daz will adjust too.

Stop pretending that America's food supply has to depend on illegal immigration. Everything is such a potential calamity these days and it makes people forget that Americans can, will, and already are solving the problem.

Since: Mar 11

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#4 Jul 31, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
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The pity will ours when scarcity and high prices started to hit the wallets and when taxpayers will have to further subsidise and bail out the farmering community all due to ignorance and don't forget food is one of our economic muscles.
That such bullchit. I know a man who lives in Washington state that works the oil fields in North Dakota making good money driving a truck that takes a leave of absence every year to go home and work the apple harvest. So don't try to pull that line of crap on me,it's not working. And besides they are coming up with new machines all the time to take over the picking of our crops.LMFAO
Reality Check

Jacksonville, FL

#5 Jul 31, 2011
Cheap Whisky WIR wrote:
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That such bullchit. I know a man who lives in Washington state that works the oil fields in North Dakota making good money driving a truck that takes a leave of absence every year to go home and work the apple harvest. So don't try to pull that line of crap on me,it's not working. And besides they are coming up with new machines all the time to take over the picking of our crops.LMFAO


How many more of a personality like that one are you aware of and relying on to do the job that has to be done without illegal labor? some crops machines just can't be used to harvest unfurtunately you are not aware of that reality and what else heaven knows.
true

Nathalie, VA

#6 Jul 31, 2011
So much of a LIE FROM LIBERAL HELL!!!
ILLEGALS MAKE UP ABOUT 4% OF THOSE THAT WORK IN THE FIELDS=FACT
Juan

Pearland, TX

#7 Jul 31, 2011
If undocumented workers are not allowed to work the fields of produce it will rot on the ground or on the vines. The cost will double.

Since: Mar 11

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#8 Jul 31, 2011
Juan wrote:
If undocumented workers are not allowed to work the fields of produce it will rot on the ground or on the vines. The cost will double.
Just more of your liberal bullchit.LMFAO

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#10 Jul 31, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
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The pity will ours when scarcity and high prices started to hit the wallets and when taxpayers will have to further subsidise and bail out the farmering community all due to ignorance and don't forget food is one of our economic muscles.

I don't care, stop them now or we'll never be able to get rid of them.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#11 Jul 31, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
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How many more of a personality like that one are you aware of and relying on to do the job that has to be done without illegal labor? some crops machines just can't be used to harvest unfurtunately you are not aware of that reality and what else heaven knows.
I went to a 99 cent store and got a jar of preaches, from China!!! And they were good too! We don't need illegals.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#12 Jul 31, 2011
Juan wrote:
If undocumented workers are not allowed to work the fields of produce it will rot on the ground or on the vines. The cost will double.
I went to a 99 cent store and got a jar of preaches, from China!!! And they were good too! We don't need illegals.
Reality Check

Jacksonville, FL

#14 Aug 1, 2011
spytheweb wrote:
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I went to a 99 cent store and got a jar of preaches, from China!!! And they were good too! We don't need illegals.
Not only the 99 cents jar of peaches everything from china is getting better including their influnces and power that are visable around the world today your testimony is a sure acknowledgement to the fact along with their ability to be our donor.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#16 Aug 1, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
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The pity will ours when scarcity and high prices started to hit the wallets and when taxpayers will have to further subsidise and bail out the farmering community all due to ignorance and don't forget food is one of our economic muscles.
It's called a "Garden" in your backyard!

By the way, go to the supermarket and check out where most of our fresh fruit and vegetables are from!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#17 Aug 1, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
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How many more of a personality like that one are you aware of and relying on to do the job that has to be done without illegal labor?

some crops machines just can't be used to harvest unfurtunately you are not aware of that reality and what else heaven knows.
It's called a H2A Visa which farmers can use.

If they want to. LOL!!!

THE ABC’S OF IMMIGRATION – H-2A VISAS FOR TEMPORARY AGRICULTURAL WORKERS

Requirements

There are two general requirements to obtain workers on H-2A visas. First, the employer must demonstrate that there are not sufficient able, willing and qualified US workers available at the time and place needed. Second, the employer must show the use of foreign workers will not create an adverse effect on the wages or working conditions of similarly employed US workers. Farmworkers generally receive either an hourly wage or are paid by the piece. However, under the H-2A program H-2A workers must be offered the same wage as US workers. This has been interpreted to mean the higher of the following:

· The industry’s prevailing wage in the relevant labor market,

· The state or federal minimum wage, or

· The “adverse effect wage rate”

The adverse effect wage rate, or AEWR, is currently set at the prior year’s average hourly wage for agricultural and livestock workers determined by the Department of Agriculture. For workers who are paid by the piece, if their wages are not equal to the AEWR, the employer must make up the difference. On or before each day when the H-2A worker is paid, the employer must provide the worker with an earnings statement detailing the alien’s total earnings, whether the alien is paid hourly or by the piece, the hours of work offered, and the hours actually worked.

Employers are required to provide H-2A workers with a number of benefits.

· The employee must be provided with transportation to and from the worker’s temporary home to the workplace.

· When the contract period is up, the employer must provide the worker with transportation home or to their next workplace.

· Employers must provide housing to all H-2A workers who do not commute. The housing must be inspected by the Department of Labor and must meet minimum federal standards for temporary labor camps.

· The employer must either provide three meals a day or facilities in which the worker can prepare food.

· The employer must also provide any tools and supplies necessary to perform the work.

· The employer must also provide workers’ compensation insurance to H-2A workers.

http://www.visalaw.com/00jul2/12jul200.html

NOW YOU KNOW WHY "FARMERS" LIKE TO USE ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Reality Check

Jacksonville, FL

#18 Aug 1, 2011
Cricket 23 wrote:
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It's called a "Garden" in your backyard!
By the way, go to the supermarket and check out where most of our fresh fruit and vegetables are from!
I have said this before I am willing to share ideas from back yard gardening experiences mine is florishing right now with a full freezer of fresh organic vegetables more than enough now sharing with my neighbours.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#19 Aug 1, 2011
Juan wrote:
If undocumented workers are not allowed to work the fields of produce it will rot on the ground or on the vines. The cost will double.
Read post above! LOL!!!

“Your DQCC Limit is Maxed!”

Since: Sep 08

In Utero (originally)

#20 Aug 1, 2011
Why should anyone make exceptions for any group of employers (the farmers) or any group of migrant workers, if they aren't complying with the law? The migrant workers wouldn't have problems if they'd get work visas, and the farmers wouldn't have problems either if they'd take the time to verify the legitimacy of those they employ. E-verify can easily be used by anyone who is an employer and has a computer.
Reality Check

Jacksonville, FL

#21 Aug 1, 2011
Cricket 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's called a H2A Visa which farmers can use.
If they want to. LOL!!!
THE ABC’S OF IMMIGRATION – H-2A VISAS FOR TEMPORARY AGRICULTURAL WORKERS
Requirements
There are two general requirements to obtain workers on H-2A visas. First, the employer must demonstrate that there are not sufficient able, willing and qualified US workers available at the time and place needed. Second, the employer must show the use of foreign workers will not create an adverse effect on the wages or working conditions of similarly employed US workers. Farmworkers generally receive either an hourly wage or are paid by the piece. However, under the H-2A program H-2A workers must be offered the same wage as US workers. This has been interpreted to mean the higher of the following:
· The industry’s prevailing wage in the relevant labor market,
· The state or federal minimum wage, or
· The “adverse effect wage rate”
The adverse effect wage rate, or AEWR, is currently set at the prior year’s average hourly wage for agricultural and livestock workers determined by the Department of Agriculture. For workers who are paid by the piece, if their wages are not equal to the AEWR, the employer must make up the difference. On or before each day when the H-2A worker is paid, the employer must provide the worker with an earnings statement detailing the alien’s total earnings, whether the alien is paid hourly or by the piece, the hours of work offered, and the hours actually worked.
Employers are required to provide H-2A workers with a number of benefits.
· The employee must be provided with transportation to and from the worker’s temporary home to the workplace.
· When the contract period is up, the employer must provide the worker with transportation home or to their next workplace.
· Employers must provide housing to all H-2A workers who do not commute. The housing must be inspected by the Department of Labor and must meet minimum federal standards for temporary labor camps.
· The employer must either provide three meals a day or facilities in which the worker can prepare food.
· The employer must also provide any tools and supplies necessary to perform the work.
· The employer must also provide workers’ compensation insurance to H-2A workers.
http://www.visalaw.com/00jul2/12jul200.html
NOW YOU KNOW WHY "FARMERS" LIKE TO USE ILLEGAL ALIENS!
No! I don't know for sure if your reality is all there is to the issue it would just as fair to listen to what the farmers have to say as well and wny they have choosen to do otherwise rather than to endorse your reasoning at this point.
FLAPATRIOT

Miami, FL

#22 Aug 1, 2011
Juan wrote:
If undocumented workers are not allowed to work the fields of produce it will rot on the ground or on the vines. The cost will double.
Who cares if the cost doubles....a report from UCLA stated that if agricultural labor cost increased by 40% it would result in an additional 8 dollars a year increase to consumers. Even an increase of 100% would only result in an additional 20 dollars a year. Besides there is no limit to the number of H2A visas issued. This piece of garbage Steve Sakuma says they are just trying for a better life when he is actually the one who has a better life because of his ILLEGAL workforce.
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#23 Aug 1, 2011
Oh, noes! The sky is falling! How did we ever manage to get the crops in before the black market workforce came and saved us all?

Y'know that? A few farmers may go bankrupt. Not all; a few. Who cares? That's one farmer and his family on the dole versus a passel of underpaid illegal aliens and their families sucking up social services.

Take the assets of the unscrupulous farmers, sell them off and let an enterprising person with a solid business model and legal workers run the farm, I say.
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
The pity will ours when scarcity and high prices started to hit the wallets and when taxpayers will have to further subsidise and bail out the farmering community all due to ignorance and don't forget food is one of our economic muscles.

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