bob

Santa Barbara, CA

#187 Jan 19, 2013
I concede you may be right. Banning the gun too might reduce the number of these incidents, but perhaps not. I do have an opinion that these disturbed people are influenced at least in part by the "Army gun" look and feel of these weapons, but I can't back it up with research. Similar to my opinion that these disturbed people are also influenced by watching violent movies and playing first person shooter video games. Even network TV shows often dramatize that the ultimate solution to any problems is Rambo style violence.
Opinion

Burkesville, KY

#188 Jan 19, 2013
In my opinion, this is all another scare tactic by Big Brother to try to ban all weapons of any kind. The media makes it sound like an AR-15 is a military weapon capable of delievering multiple rounds with a single pull of the trigger. It's no more capable of delievering more rounds that a regular 22 cal semi auto rifle that we have all grown up with. It doesn't matter what it looks like, you can even get a 22 cal made the same as the dreaded AR-15. Guns aren't the problem here, the lack of respect for human life is our problem. When we return to teaching our youth morals, values, and respect maybe we will see a decline in our problems. As long as we allow our upcoming generations to demand everything be handed to them for nothing, and nothing to work for, things will never change. As long as we keep the crooked politicans (both Republicans and Democrats) in office, selling our future to the highest bidder, we have no hope. We teach our children behavior by allowing them to be entertained by video games that enhance killing, movies that contain violence and crime, we have banned anything that is religious, any morals, the Golden Rule from our society. Until our citizens in this country make a stand, we will continue down this spiral decline with no light at the end of the tunnel, regardless of guns, drugs, or anything else!
bob

Santa Barbara, CA

#189 Jan 19, 2013
Opinion wrote:
.... When we return to teaching our youth morals, values, and respect maybe we will see a decline in our problems....
When do you anticipate this happening on a national level, and, in the mean time, do you have any practical suggestions about how to prevent the now familiar mass shootings done with large-capacity semi-auto military-style rifles?

As a start, do we all agree that universal background checks should be required for every purchase of any firearm?

“THE WEAK CAN NEVER FORGIVE”

Since: Feb 08

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#190 Jan 19, 2013
bob wrote:
<quoted text>When do you anticipate this happening on a national level, and, in the mean time, do you have any practical suggestions about how to prevent the now familiar mass shootings done with large-capacity semi-auto military-style rifles?

As a start, do we all agree that universal background checks should be required for every purchase of any firearm?
Sure, as long as it don't apply to me, check away;)
No Heaven For Killers

Burkesville, KY

#191 Jan 19, 2013
Opinion wrote:
When we return to teaching our youth morals, values, and respect maybe we will see a decline in our problems. As long as we allow our upcoming generations to demand everything be handed to them for nothing, and nothing to work for, things will never change. blah blah blah... We teach our children behavior by allowing them to be entertained by video games that enhance killing, movies that contain violence and crime, we have banned anything that is religious, any morals, the Golden Rule from our society.
Do we really want to tell our children that when you die you will go to heaven if you're fighting for Christian values? Is this any better than a suicide bomber that blows up Americans in the name of Islam? This is the biggest double standard that our people try to avoid recognizing.

Every religion is full of such BS, it's the main reason the world is at war most of the time!
Opinion

Burkesville, KY

#192 Jan 19, 2013
bob wrote:
<quoted text>
When do you anticipate this happening on a national level, and, in the mean time, do you have any practical suggestions about how to prevent the now familiar mass shootings done with large-capacity semi-auto military-style rifles?
As a start, do we all agree that universal background checks should be required for every purchase of any firearm?
Problem is, I don't. I think we have already gone too far to ever recover. This is an entitlement society now, and nothing will ever turn it around. The only thing I can see is to always be better armed, better prepared, and ready when those who have are taken advantage of by those who have not due to their decisions. I do hope I'm wrong of course, but I can't see where it can get any better. Banning guns? Then, only the have nots will have them and make us easier targets in the future. As far as the government, I think everyone realizes that we as a whole have no chance against whatever is commanded by them, but we can protect our families and belongings to the best of our abilities. We can't spend our way out of debt, we can't continue to give away things we don't have, we can't continue to police the world, when we can't manage our own country. The only thing I see is that we are trying our best to force our beliefs, culture, and actions on the rest of the world at our own expense and demise of what liberty we once had.
Testes 123

Glasgow, KY

#193 Jan 19, 2013
bob wrote:
As a start, do we all agree that universal background checks should be required for every purchase of any firearm?
No.

Every firearm purchase from a FFL ALREADY REQUIRES a background check.
Lying to an FFL or on the 4473 form is a felony and can bag the offender anywhere from 1-10 years even if they are NOT a prohibited person.

Selling a firearm by a private non-FFL holding individual to a prohibited person is already illegal.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-p...

A prohibited person trying to purchase a firearm is a felony and can get them up to 10 years.

The onus is on the seller to guarantee that the transaction is legal. If not there are HEAVY felony penalties for them as well.
Question

United States

#195 Jan 20, 2013
bob wrote:
<quoted text>
When do you anticipate this happening on a national level, and, in the mean time, do you have any practical suggestions about how to prevent the now familiar mass shootings done with large-capacity semi-auto military-style rifles?
As a start, do we all agree that universal background checks should be required for every purchase of any firearm?
With your ability to run down info on the net being well known (thats a compliment) perhaps you could track down the truth of the report that there was no "large-capacity semi-auto military-style rifles" used by Lanza inside the school and that it was found in the trunk of his mothers car!
gotta love them gun nuts

Burkesville, KY

#196 Jan 20, 2013
At gun shows in Indiana, Ohio and North Carolina, a total of five people were injured Saturday in accidental shootings as people flocked to the events on what was marketed as Gun Appreciation Day.

In Ohio, Medina Police Chief Patrick Berarducci said a 62-year-old man was shot in the arm when his friend, a firearms dealer, accidentally discharged the gun he had purchased from an attendee.

The man was taken to a local Ohio hospital, where he was treated for injuries to his arm and leg. Berarducci said the man will probably stay in the hospital overnight, but described him as in “good spirits.”

Meanwhile, in Indianapolis, a man at the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show shot his hand as he unloaded a .45-caliber semiautomatic, the Associated Press said.

Three people were also injured at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, N.C., when a 12-gauge shotgun filled with bird shot accidentally discharged, authorities said.

The injuries came on Gun Appreciation Day, promoted by a Republican consulting firm.

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Yeah sure, guns don't kill,
the problem is,
there are too many idiots that love guns that kill!
Also a Veteran

Burkesville, KY

#197 Jan 20, 2013
bob wrote:
<quoted text>

The argument that keeps being repeated - Cars are dangerous too, so why don't we ban cars?- is ridiculous. Cars are designed to serve a purpose OTHER than killing people - same as sporting rifles and handguns. We do try to build safer cars each year, we test and license the operators, and we have some success in keeping drunks from driving, but they shouldn't be banned becaues there is a huge legitimate civilian need for them.
Bob you just made my case for me. You say cars have a "huge legitimate civilian need". Where you go wrong is when you state that the same isn't true of hi cap mags. The huge legitimate civilian need for the weapons and mags in question is self defense. Cars do fullfill a huge civilian need, but do they need to go over 90 mph or accelerate 0 - 60 in a few seconds? Couldn't we get to the grocery, to work, or even get the wife to the hospital to have our baby without the level of performance provided by over 50% of cars sold today? The difference with the high performance capability of a car and what you consider the "excessive" performance of a hi cap mag / AR style rifle is WHAT??? Neither pose an inherent danger to society in the hands of a sane and law abiding citizen yet the high performance car kills thousands of innocent americans annually in the hands of immature youth, drunks, and crazy / stupid people. We see a Shelby Mustang and envision ourselves behind the wheel driving at break neck speeds on the curvy roads of Cumberland county. We fantasize ourselves as a "cool stud" because we have the wheel of a muscle car in our hands. Yet we don't "NEED" that kind of car any more than we "NEED" a weapon system like the AR w/30rd mag. The difference is that the car is not a constitutionally protected "RIGHT". My SD firearms are much better secured than are the keys to my vehicles that can go much faster than allowed by law.

Bob you are wrong on this one and we are not all country bumpkins who can be bowled over with your "I'm educated and experienced" spin. You can't explain how cars in my driveway are OK but my choice of SD weapons should be hindered when the excess capability of either in the hands of the wrong people pose a threat to our society. And this is true even though the loss of innocent live caused by drunks, texters, and people talking on phones dwarfs those impacted by gun violence.
Also a Veteran

Burkesville, KY

#198 Jan 20, 2013
bob wrote:
<quoted text>
When do you anticipate this happening on a national level, and, in the mean time, do you have any practical suggestions about how to prevent the now familiar mass shootings done with large-capacity semi-auto military-style rifles?
As a start, do we all agree that universal background checks should be required for every purchase of any firearm?
Again Bob you have taken liberty with the facts. Mass shootings with military style rifles, AKA assault weapons, are not familiar if by that you mean frequent. They are fairly rare and the fact is that handguns are used in gun related violence many times more frequently than the ulgy black semi-auto rifles. And you ask for suggestions to "prevent" these [in reality]infrequent events. The truth Bob is that we will never be able to totally prevent such act of violence and we can only hope to further reduce these horrendous acts.

For the record, the worst mass murder in a school didn't even involve a firearm. In 1927 a disgruntal xschool employee killed his wife at home before going to the school in Bath Mich where he set off numerous dynimite and fire bombs killing 38 elementry kids and 6 adults and injuring another 57, before going out to his truck and blowing himself up. This event demonstrates that horrific events involving schools is not a recent invention and guns should not be singled out. Sadly demented individuals have found multiple terrible ways to reek their revenge on an all to vunerable society.
gotta love them gun nuts

Burkesville, KY

#199 Jan 20, 2013
A gun-toting teen killed his pastor father, another adult and three kids in a bloody rampage late Saturday, New Mexico authorities and family friends said.

The alleged shooter, 15-year-old Nehemiah Griego, used multiple weapons, including a military-type assault rifle in Saturday night’s grisly quintuple homicide.

Nehemiah Griego was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death. Two of the children were girls, and one was a boy.

The carnage occurred in semirural South Valley, an Albuquerque suburb, in a home at the end of a dead-end street.
Police were called to the scene at around 9:15 p.m. local time and found the victims with multiple gunshots.
“We do know there was more than one weapon used in the crime, and it appears that one of them was a military-type assault rifle similar to an AR-15,” Williamson said.
The weapons were found inside the home, although investigators couldn’t say Sunday how the alleged shooter obtained them.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-gu...

As these fools defend guns, the killings keep coming!
Easy

Burkesville, KY

#200 Jan 20, 2013
gotta love them gun nuts wrote:
A gun-toting teen killed his pastor father, another adult and three kids in a bloody rampage late Saturday, New Mexico authorities and family friends said.
The alleged shooter, 15-year-old Nehemiah Griego, used multiple weapons, including a military-type assault rifle in Saturday night’s grisly quintuple homicide.
Nehemiah Griego was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death. Two of the children were girls, and one was a boy.
The carnage occurred in semirural South Valley, an Albuquerque suburb, in a home at the end of a dead-end street.
Police were called to the scene at around 9:15 p.m. local time and found the victims with multiple gunshots.
“We do know there was more than one weapon used in the crime, and it appears that one of them was a military-type assault rifle similar to an AR-15,” Williamson said.
The weapons were found inside the home, although investigators couldn’t say Sunday how the alleged shooter obtained them.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-gu...
As these fools defend guns, the killings keep coming!
Don't like guns? Don't use them! For the rest of us, you can never change our minds or take our weapons! We will be armed and protect ourselves, hopefully, they will pick your house, and hopefully your neighbors will sit and watch!!
billliiieee

Glasgow, KY

#201 Jan 21, 2013
how many guns will be present today protecting the president?
Also a Veteran

Burkesville, KY

#202 Jan 21, 2013
gotta love them gun nuts wrote:
A gun-toting teen killed his pastor father, another adult and three kids in a bloody rampage late Saturday, New Mexico authorities and family friends said.
The alleged shooter, 15-year-old Nehemiah Griego, used multiple weapons, including a military-type assault rifle in Saturday night’s grisly quintuple homicide.
Nehemiah Griego was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death. Two of the children were girls, and one was a boy.
The carnage occurred in semirural South Valley, an Albuquerque suburb, in a home at the end of a dead-end street.
Police were called to the scene at around 9:15 p.m. local time and found the victims with multiple gunshots.
“We do know there was more than one weapon used in the crime, and it appears that one of them was a military-type assault rifle similar to an AR-15,” Williamson said.
The weapons were found inside the home, although investigators couldn’t say Sunday how the alleged shooter obtained them.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-gu...
As these fools defend guns, the killings keep coming!
We'll lets see what you have here. A murder with multipule victims. A murder that involves domestic violence. A murder that was committed by a family member. A murder that involved guns, several firearms were used.

The story is hardly relevant to the discussion at hand other than it shows that although an assault style weapon was involved, there is nothing to indicate that the semi-auto feature or a hi cap magazine played any part in the crime or the body count. It also drives home the fact that crazy people will find a weapon and will use what ever is at hand. In this case, if no AR, it is highly likely that the end result would have been the same.
The Truth

Bardstown, KY

#203 Jan 21, 2013
gotta love them gun nuts wrote:
A gun-toting teen killed his pastor father, another adult and three kids in a bloody rampage late Saturday, New Mexico authorities and family friends said.
The alleged shooter, 15-year-old Nehemiah Griego, used multiple weapons, including a military-type assault rifle in Saturday night’s grisly quintuple homicide.
Nehemiah Griego was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death. Two of the children were girls, and one was a boy.
The carnage occurred in semirural South Valley, an Albuquerque suburb, in a home at the end of a dead-end street.
Police were called to the scene at around 9:15 p.m. local time and found the victims with multiple gunshots.
“We do know there was more than one weapon used in the crime, and it appears that one of them was a military-type assault rifle similar to an AR-15,” Williamson said.
The weapons were found inside the home, although investigators couldn’t say Sunday how the alleged shooter obtained them.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-gu...
As these fools defend guns, the killings keep coming!
How come you didn't quote how many people were KILLED with cars in the same time period?? HUMMMM?
You gotta love brain dead fools like YOU!!!
gotta love them gun nuts

Burkesville, KY

#204 Jan 21, 2013
It was just a quick post to let you know you're more likely to be killed with your own gun than another person's gun! And the statistics back it up.

All that BS about guns for self defense falls apart when the facts are examined.
Testes 123

Glasgow, KY

#205 Jan 21, 2013
gotta love them gun nuts wrote:
It was just a quick post to let you know you're more likely to be killed with your own gun than another person's gun! And the statistics back it up.
Kellerman? Really?

Totally bogus.
People with a Basic understanding of Statistics wrote:
Not only is Kellermann's methodology flawed, but using the same approach for violent deaths in the home not involving a firearm, the risk factor more than doubles from 43 to 1, to 99 to 1. Let's see why this 43 to 1 ratio is a meaningless indicator of gun ownership risk.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.ht...
Pirate

Leitchfield, KY

#206 Jan 21, 2013
I keep reading posts that have some comment about how many are killed by cars but non mention how many deaths per mile traveled from any point in the past.Cars have become safer over the years and with seat belts,that many still refuse to wear could be more safe than they are today.Building safer cars is one of many things that have improved with time but but there are many others if you take the time to look for them.
gotta love them gun nuts

Burkesville, KY

#207 Jan 21, 2013
So Charles Branas's team at the University of Pennsylvania analysed 677 shootings over two-and-a-half years to discover whether victims were carrying at the time, and compared them to other Philly residents of similar age, sex and ethnicity. The team also accounted for other potentially confounding differences, such as the socioeconomic status of their neighbourhood.

Despite the US having the highest rate of firearms-related homicide in the industrialised world, the relationship between gun culture and violence is poorly understood. A recent study found that treating violence like an infectious disease led to a dramatic fall in shootings and killings.

Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher.

Daniel Webster, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore, Maryland, thinks it is near-sighted to consider only the safety of gun owners and not their communities. "It affects others a heck of a lot more," he says.

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