Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

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Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ...
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Greg

United States

#43 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
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i am a peace advocate, and for that same reason i m against Israel.
Israel and its defenders try to justify the murder of 1,000 civilians with the government infested propaganda. do you realize all you israel defenders use the exact same patern of defense? do you think that is luck? its not. because all of you are infested with the same propaganda. hamas wants to destroy israel so we have a right to kill 1000 people. that is your justification. that is how you sleep at night without any stress. well i m sorry, your stomach takes it, but mine doesnt.
also wait a minute. since when the owner of a house is called aggresor? isnt it the illegal occupier that usually gets called that way?
say, hitler invaded poland. who is the aggresor? in your logic its poland.
Well, I thought Hamas was the democratically elected leadership in Gaza. Am I wrong? So yes, when YOU elect a group like Hamas, who accepts nothing less than the destruction of Israel, than YOU are responsible. Funny you should bring up Hitler invading Poland, since the Nazi's were ALSO a party widely supported by Germany's citizens. How would YOU react if somebody like say,,, the Kurdish people in Turkey started a campaign of terror against average citizens in Turkey?? Oh wait........
How do you feel about Turkey's own campaigns against the Kurds??????
Obama Finklestein

Ellington, CT

#44 Jan 19, 2009
Why is Turkish Proctologist using lies and distortions support the racists of Hamass?
Because he is a racist Hamass supporter.

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#45 Jan 19, 2009
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I thought Hamas was the democratically elected leadership in Gaza. Am I wrong? So yes, when YOU elect a group like Hamas, who accepts nothing less than the destruction of Israel, than YOU are responsible. Funny you should bring up Hitler invading Poland, since the Nazi's were ALSO a party widely supported by Germany's citizens. How would YOU react if somebody like say,,, the Kurdish people in Turkey started a campaign of terror against average citizens in Turkey?? Oh wait........
How do you feel about Turkey's own campaigns against the Kurds??????
i feel outraged and want my country to adapt a sort of federation model. also we should invest in those lands, create jobs, universities, hospitals, etc..etc.. same goes for israel. but israel denies any peaceful attempt. look you cant just defend israel and criticise palestinians just because israeli jews wear blue jeans like you do. be neutral if you want respect.

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#46 Jan 19, 2009
Obama Finklestein wrote:
Why is Turkish Proctologist using lies and distortions support the racists of Hamass?
Because he is a racist Hamass supporter.
you find data about how many israeli lives Hamas had taken
and i ll find out how many palestinian lives israeli's had taken.
wanna try?
after all its all about human lives, correct? so lets see who is the biggest murderer.
my god you are pathetic. when you see an aircraft with tons of bombs, suddenly you are blinded, that is not terrorism.
anyone who uses advanced weaponary isnt a terrorist. that is your logic.
Grumpy

East Orange, NJ

#47 Jan 19, 2009
Oh good, it's all over......until next time. In Isreal and Palestine, everyone wants peace, but only on their own terms. The US needs to keeps it's nose out. We should still fund humanitarian aid on both sides, but no American aid should fund any military activities.
rusty

United States

#48 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
you find data about how many israeli lives Hamas had taken
and i ll find out how many palestinian lives israeli's had taken.
wanna try?
after all its all about human lives, correct? so lets see who is the biggest murderer.
my god you are pathetic. when you see an aircraft with tons of bombs, suddenly you are blinded, that is not terrorism.
anyone who uses advanced weaponary isnt a terrorist. that is your logic.
Heres my logic doc. If you walk into a crowed makeret place with bombs strapped on you in order to kill civilians to promote your cause you and all that support your cause are a cancer that MUST be removed from the world. When was the last time you heard of an Israeli suicide bomber!
bpnirvana

Carol Stream, IL

#49 Jan 19, 2009
So, Turkish Doctor--you're also saying that Hamas doesn't purposely operate out of hospitals, schools and homes to dissuade Israel from attack and so the world will condemn Israel for trying to defend itself? Hamas treats its own people like vermin and you support Hamas. Hmmm. Well here's an idea. What if we get all the Jews in Israel and what the heck--the whole world--and move them to Turkey. Then would you be satisfied that they're no longer a "problem" in that part of the world? Since you're a "Peace Advocate", I'm sure you would welcome all the Jews with welcome arms. Peace advocate, indeed.

Since: Apr 08

West Hartford

#50 Jan 19, 2009
Listen to yourself wrote:
Now we have a new holocaust to talk about, this time at the hands of Israel. Their over reaction and murder targeting women and children is a moral outrage.
You guys complained about the separation fence Israel built to keep suicide bombers from coming from the West Bank. All was fine with you as long as Israeli civilians were being killed. THE FENCE WORKED. Israelis are no being killed in pizzarias and the West Bank is relatively quiet.

Now you complain when Israel defends itself when missels are launched into its' population centers. How many missels would any of you tolerate landing in your towns before you demanded that your government protect you - 1, 10, 100, 6000, 10,000.

Get over your self rightous indignation of Irael defending itself.
john

Newington, CT

#51 Jan 19, 2009
bpnirvana wrote:
Children, children--please, let's stop our bickering. It all comes down to this. If all the Jew haters were Jewish, they would know just what idiots Jew haters are. Take "Turkish Doctor" for instance. It says "Peace Advocate" under his screen name. He calls Israel a monster for defending itself against its Hamas aggressors, who want to wipe Israel off the map with bombs. Turkish Doctor, thanks for proving my point that you and the rest of the Jew haters are idiots. If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous...
so again what's your excuse for being a brainless nitwit?
terry

Auburn, ME

#52 Jan 19, 2009
BlackMamba;

There were numerous occasions during the past hostilities when Israel cellphoned civilians in the areas on which they were about to fire in order to give them time to get out. why were they going to fire on those sites? Because hamas had fired FROM those sites on civilian targets in Israel as they CONTINUE to do.

If my tax dollars are being used to help defend Israel and her very RIGHT TO EXIST that's fine with me.

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#53 Jan 19, 2009
rusty wrote:
<quoted text>Heres my logic doc. If you walk into a crowed makeret place with bombs strapped on you in order to kill civilians to promote your cause you and all that support your cause are a cancer that MUST be removed from the world. When was the last time you heard of an Israeli suicide bomber!
dont you read what i wrote? they dont have israeli suicide bomber because they can afford aircrafts. give palestinians the same resources you give to israel and you'll see suicide bombers will dissepear. as i have said. the method of killing varies because of resources.
in my eyes, the pilot of an aircraft that bombs civilian houses are as much quilty as those suicide bombers. one might look more barbarian but after all they both kill innocent people. infact, aircrafts usually kill much more. so blame the pilot as much as the other guy.
john

Newington, CT

#54 Jan 19, 2009
israelis cowards. kill,destroy then send the U.S. the bill

jewish protocol

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#55 Jan 19, 2009
bpnirvana wrote:
So, Turkish Doctor--you're also saying that Hamas doesn't purposely operate out of hospitals, schools and homes to dissuade Israel from attack and so the world will condemn Israel for trying to defend itself? Hamas treats its own people like vermin and you support Hamas. Hmmm. Well here's an idea. What if we get all the Jews in Israel and what the heck--the whole world--and move them to Turkey. Then would you be satisfied that they're no longer a "problem" in that part of the world? Since you're a "Peace Advocate", I'm sure you would welcome all the Jews with welcome arms. Peace advocate, indeed.
do a little research, during the Queen Isabelle regime in Spain, spanish decided to keep spain "pure catholic" and wanted to get rid of its jewish minorities (1492)
then, my people accepted to host those jews and since then, those jews have been living among turks, and thats how there are so many jews in istanbul.
look at the numbers of jews that were expelled from spain and accepted into other countries back in the time:

Algiers 10,000
Americas 5,000
Egypt and Tripoli 2,000
France 3,000
Holland, England, Scandinavia and Hamburg 25,000
Italy 9,000
Morocco 20,000
Ottoman Empire / Turkey 90,000

Conclusion- we did our share to be nice to jews. now, 600 years later, those jews feel as much turkish as anyone of us. now its time for them to show some kind of hospitality towards others.
Ize Back

Sandy Hook, CT

#56 Jan 19, 2009
john wrote:
<quoted text>
so again what's your excuse for being a brainless nitwit?
Still trolling, Pee Pee Pants? You're sooooo lonely. Brush your teeth.
doityourselfweat her com

Oxford, CT

#57 Jan 19, 2009
Royko wrote:
<quoted text>And what do you propose to do when that Islamic whirlwind comes to a city near you?
He is one!
Greg

United States

#58 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
i feel outraged and want my country to adapt a sort of federation model. also we should invest in those lands, create jobs, universities, hospitals, etc..etc.. same goes for israel. but israel denies any peaceful attempt. look you cant just defend israel and criticise palestinians just because israeli jews wear blue jeans like you do. be neutral if you want respect.
I understand, and am pleased that your principles are consistent. I'll agree, real progress needs to be made in the reality of average Palestinian citizens lives. Unfortunately, the money that gets sent to do exactly what you say, and I agree, is needed like jobs, education, and such, gets embezzled by the powers that be in Palestine for more weapons and such. But you are correct, people who have jobs and futures tend not to want to endanger that, and tend not to feel oppressed and less violence is the likely result. I try to be as fair and unbiased as possible. I see very much wrong with a lot of Israel's policies like collective punishment, and the lack of basic services in Palestine due to the embargo Israel has placed them under. I guess at this point, since Israel's pulling out, we'll see if Hamas will restrain the rockets. That should be step #1.
Ize Back

Sandy Hook, CT

#59 Jan 19, 2009
john wrote:
israelis cowards. kill,destroy then send the U.S. the bill
jewish protocol
Still trolling, Pee Pee Pants? You're such a lonely phag. And, please brush your teeth. A jew once kicked Johnny's pimply behind-hence the hate.

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#60 Jan 19, 2009
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand, and am pleased that your principles are consistent. I'll agree, real progress needs to be made in the reality of average Palestinian citizens lives. Unfortunately, the money that gets sent to do exactly what you say, and I agree, is needed like jobs, education, and such, gets embezzled by the powers that be in Palestine for more weapons and such. But you are correct, people who have jobs and futures tend not to want to endanger that, and tend not to feel oppressed and less violence is the likely result. I try to be as fair and unbiased as possible. I see very much wrong with a lot of Israel's policies like collective punishment, and the lack of basic services in Palestine due to the embargo Israel has placed them under. I guess at this point, since Israel's pulling out, we'll see if Hamas will restrain the rockets. That should be step #1.
exactly
there are many kurds here in Istanbul, but they dont riot, cause violence. why? because they are now used to live in a big city, they have their job, their personal car, a girlfriend, a nice house. or at least the possibility, the dream of these stuff. in the eastern lands of my country, where kurds are highly populated, thats why there is chaos. because they dont have those stuff to look forward to. if you give these people a purpose they would not be violent. thats how the kurds in major cities arent violent. why should they? solution is simple. turkey will suspend all its army budget and invest in those lands. israel do the same to palestinians. i assure you when those people see they are being treated in a nice hospital and get educated in a university, they will give up their weapons. thats how there is no chaos in istanbul. we have kurds here too, but they are city people now :)
we should adapt the same city life to other regions.(worldwide)
captDrake

Palatine, IL

#61 Jan 19, 2009
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
An explosive is an explosive. While yes, I believe in Israel's right to exist, AND it's right to defend itself I always get a kick out of people who try to whitewash the difference between Palestinian rockets and Israeli missiles and bombs. You try to spin it as though just because Israeli missiles and bombs are guided that they are somehow less indescriminate. We are talking about explosives here, BOTH sides here have used them "indescriminately".
Big difference Einstein. Maybe if you establish a starting point, you'll be able to focus more clearly.

First- A rocket is sent skyward toward Isreal, having no electronic tracking or targeting technology.

Second- An Isreali soldier gives coordinates to Air command, the location from where the rocket came from.

Third- An Isreali fighter jet or attack helicopter sends in ordinance to that spot, in an obvious attempt to retaliate agiainst rocket launchers.

Your comments and allegations hold no water. Any simpleton with an ounce of common sense would see this. Most Isreal haters are so deep in denial, pertaining to the cause of Palastinian civilians dying, trying somehow to put a spin on it. If you are infact a Jew hater, be forthright and convince us why we should support Isreal's enemies.
DSW

United States

#62 Jan 19, 2009
blackmamba wrote:
Israel receives more military aid($3 billion a year) from America than any other country. Egypt hardly a model for secular democrac gets $2 billion a year in military aid from is second. These nations are also the two top purchasers of American military hardware. With that liberal icon of secular democracy and home to 15 of the 9/11 hijackers Saudi Arabia always very near the top in buying military hardwar from America.
Those are American weapons being used to terrorize destroy to kill and wound the Palestinians in Gaza. America once armed Saddam Hussein with WMD's and other hardware to help him kill 1 million Iranians during the Iraq/Iran war. Before that America armed the Shah of Iran. America also once armed the Taliban of Mullah Omar and al Qaida of Osama Bin Laden to fight the Soviet Union.
Guns and bullets seem to be a poor use of American largesse that ends up doing far more harm than good. Sending weapons to this part of the world clearly seems like it is not in the best long term national security interests of the United States. That America always seems to support tyrants and terror everywhere will not be missed, nor forgotten nor ignored in the Muslim world. Sowing the wind America could once again reap an Islamic whirlwind that it has already begun to stir in Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Iran, Indonesia and Pakistan.
Oh, if things could be as simplistic as people like you think, it would be a fairy tale world, now, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, it's a very complicated, dark, cruel world out there which people like you seem to not even begin to understand.

As others have pointed out, they would only end up buying these things from other countries. And, yes, selling them these things instead of our enemies doing so & trying to stay in good relations with these country's leaders is the best thing we could possibly do. In the Muslim world, especially, we only have a choice of the evil or the lesser evil. Times that we have sold things to leaders like Suddam were under totally different circumstances and totally different times. It's just falling for the Muslim propaganda to say otherwise.

Another thing people like you do not even begin to understand is how Muslims are going to hate us no matter what we do. After over 10,000 hours of researching, I can state with 100% certainty that in the Muslim world, we are ALWAYS dam*ed if we do and dam*ed if we don't, at least as far as the Muslim terrorists/extremists are concerned. I realize you PC people aren't going to like this cold, hard, blunt truth, but the majority of Muslims in the Muslim world are extremists. They have hated the west for literally 100s of years & will continue to hate us no matter what we do as long as we have more power than they have. Read what Mark Twain said about them hating us in the late 1800's when he visited the holy land. Read what two of our founding fathers, Adams and Jefferson, said about them when Muslims were attacking American ships in the very beginnings of America and they went to Muslims themselves to find out why. They found out why & came back and told congress. It went something like this - They believe they are to fight & kill the unbelievers till Islam rules the world. Sound familiar? It should because this is the way Muslims have felt for over 1400 years now. It isn't like they have kept it a big secret, yet still, some people cannot accept that people actually believe this way in this day and time even when it is in their faces every single day.

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