us fence closing????
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SayItAintSo

Morristown, TN

#1 Jul 15, 2009
I heard that US Fence is closing. Anybody know if that is true?
Its possible

Miami, FL

#2 Jul 16, 2009
which us fence are you referring to?
Barrette

AOL

#3 Jul 17, 2009
There is no US Fence, at least not around here.
Very Possible

Morristown, TN

#4 Jul 18, 2009
I worked there when it was US Fence and I am amazed that they have stayed open as long as they have.
I have never saw an organization or in their case, disorganization, waste as much as they did and stay in business. Most companies could fund their operational budget out of the money wasted at Barrette Outdoors.
I have worked in many large companies and can't recall any one of them having more managers than they had at US Fence, Bulls Gap. There was a plant manager, extrusion manager, assembly manager, engineering manager, maintenance manager, assembly floor manager, extrusion floor manager, q.c. manager, research and development manager, shipping manager, receiving manager, purchasing manager, tool crib manager, fabrication manager, h.r. manager, safety manager and the list goes on and on and many of those useless managers had assistant managers. These managers did nothing more than have one meeting after another and they were like top secret because nothing ever came from the meetings. Many of those meetings were held only to decide when they would have another meeting. Besides all of the managers, they had supervisors out the ying yang and each supervisor had lead people. I have never worked in any company that had as many levels of management as there were at US Fence.
Aside from being management rich, they were wasteful in all aspects of the operation. Rather than train people who produce their product, they would train the managers and the managers did nothing productive with the training they received.
Supervisors would have the operators to start a line and if it didn't produce packable product, they would continue running scrap for entire shifts and sometimes 24 hours periods. I did not work on the floor and knew nothing about extruders but I think if that were my job and I could not produce a packable product in 4 or 5 hours, I would shut it down and figure out what the problem was rather than continue to waste materials making scrap.
One day while walking to the break area, I noticed a trash dumpster filled with large electric motors and other equipment. I asked one of maintenance people why those motors were in the trash. I was informed that they didn’t have anywhere else to put them so they were throwing them away. I asked if they could be repaired. He said there was nothing wrong with most of them; they just had nowhere to store them. After that day, I took notice and found that dumpster filled with similar equipment on many occasions.
One of the tool room attendants there was a dear friend and she told me they were only allowed to keep a set number of each part and if they had more of that part than the set number, they were to toss brand new parts in the trash.
They had a warehouse where millions of dollars worth of equipment was stored. At one time, they decided to make room there for some bulk material they had purchased. In order to make space available for the material, they sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of new and slightly used parts and equipment as scrap.
Their marketing team was another pitfall for the company. Their marketing tactics were so “inside the box”. I have never saw one single advertisement of their product in any form of media. Their website was and still is amateur at best. The fact that they only marketed their product to Home Depot and Lowes might have been the reasoning for such poor advertising. They proved on many occasions to be followers in the industry rather than leaders. Around the time that I was leaving US Fence, I was aware that they were developing a new product which was far superior in quality to any other similar product on the market yet rather than advertise their product to be a better and show proof, they chose to add a colorant in order make the US Fence product look like a competitor’s product already on the market.
These are only a few of the many instances of waste that I observed while employed at US Fence.
Very Possible

Morristown, TN

#5 Jul 18, 2009
Continued from above:
After having an in depth conversation with Mr. Barrette one afternoon, I was surprised to learn that he had worked his way from the bottom to the top of his company. I would think that a man who knew the values, loyalty and operational knowledge acquired by working from the bottom to the top would want his managers and supervisors to have done the same thing. Apparently, this was never considered by Yves because they rarely promoted existing employees who were already familiar with the plant equipment and operations to management. Instead, they filled most management or supervisor positions from outside. Most of those newly hired managers had never seen the inside of plastic production plant. While formal education is a great tool, it alone, will always pale in comparison to experience. True company values and loyalty can not be taught in schools. These come only by the sweat of working from the bottom to the top. It is a terrible shame to have such a large pool of hard working production people as there were at US Fence and see them led by such a wasteful, disloyal, and inexperienced bunch of managers. An even bigger shame is to know that all of those hard working production people who sweated day in and day out there will be losing their jobs. In working in and among both the production people and the management staff there, I know that if the management staff would have toiled half as hard as the production team, Barrette could have slipped through this depression we are in right now with little loss.
At times, I felt sorry for Yves Barrette. He seemed like such a kind and intelligent man yet I don’t think he really ever knew how much of his company’s money that his well educated yet inexperienced managers and supervisors were tossing out the door.
Very Possible

Morristown, TN

#6 Jul 18, 2009
Sorry for the double post.
Clueless

Jefferson City, TN

#7 Aug 7, 2009
Why would you feel sorry for Yves Barrette he is probably a Billionair. Barrette Outdoor Living isn't going out of business. Barrette is still probably one of the largest PVC producers in the United States. Barrette's business will only grow when the recession ends as many of Barrette's competitors have went bankrupt. There isn't a extrusion plant in the United States that matches the output rates of Barrette.
Very Possible

Morristown, TN

#8 Aug 8, 2009
Clueless wrote:
Why would you feel sorry for Yves Barrette he is probably a Billionair. Barrette Outdoor Living isn't going out of business. Barrette is still probably one of the largest PVC producers in the United States. Barrette's business will only grow when the recession ends as many of Barrette's competitors have went bankrupt. There isn't a extrusion plant in the United States that matches the output rates of Barrette.
Read the post. It said nothing about Yves' wealth or his plant's production. It says that I feel sorry for him because he doesn't know how much money his management team is tossing out the door in waste.
Clueless

Jefferson City, TN

#9 Aug 8, 2009
Again why would you feel sorry for him? He waistes more money in Jet fuel than what is thrown out at Barrette. He knows how many managers Barrette has and would do something about it if he thought he had to many.
inside woman

Brentwood, TN

#10 Aug 11, 2009
they are not closing. just having more days on holidays to shut down. and switching up shifts for employees. Just trying to save money during the recession.
Very Possible

Morristown, TN

#11 Aug 13, 2009
Clueless wrote:
Again why would you feel sorry for him? He waistes more money in Jet fuel than what is thrown out at Barrette. He knows how many managers Barrette has and would do something about it if he thought he had to many.
I guess you think he should walk from Canada down to Bulls Gap. Talk about clueless. It is his jet and his company. What he spends on jet fuel is his business and I am sure it is a healthy write off as well. It would be hard to write off brand new equipment that he does not know is being tossed out in the trash because some of his managers do not know how to restock usuable items.
It would be in your best interest to learn how to read. Go back up and read the post, Moron. It says that I feel sorry for him because he obviously does not have a clue how much money is being tossed out of his door in the form of waste. It says nothing about how many managers he has.
I am beginning to think that maybe you are one of his managers. You seem to have about the same common sense as many of them have. You can't read, you can't spell and you don't use forethought so I am convinced you are one of his managers.
lol

Logan, WV

#12 Oct 19, 2009
i worked at us fence for years along time ago the only reason they were scrapping their products were because most of their extruder opers were probably out on the yard screwin or getting their jollies on some where else at the plant i seen it first hand my self thats why they were throwing things away they were to worried how to get their junk played with than running a mech right
still employeed

Mount Juliet, TN

#13 Oct 20, 2009
Folks, its just like all the other companies that are being managed locally by a younger less effective team. Most really try, some are less focused, and a small few just don't have it. Be sure to realize as times are lean...so will be the management team. Those that are not as effective as necessary to produce a quality product the customer will accept will find themselves in another line of work. The scrap, while certainly as issue, is also a cost associated with doing this type of business. You are correct about excessive, which has been addressed, and most likely on the decline. The 2010 forecast looks to be a positive. Maybe not full-speed ahead as in the past years but hopefully an exciting pace above 2009.
WOW

Johnson City, TN

#14 Dec 29, 2009
You should be glad to have a job no mater where it is.
Inside Scoop

Columbia, TN

#15 Dec 30, 2009
No ! The plant is not shutting down. As a matter of fact Barrette Outdoor Living is forecasting to have a pretty decent year despite the economy being so slow right now.
WhoCares

Morristown, TN

#16 Dec 30, 2009
Anybidy here there take on employee survey. Rick Fior and Gary Williams said they scored lo on ownership. There take on that was that we as employes want to know more about the company products. Are they serious? What a freaking joke! Its not like we are going to be out selling the stuff or anything. Heck, I dont know anybidy who can afford it.
Lions Fan

Knoxville, TN

#17 Jan 1, 2010
Does Roger Butler work there?
Inside Scoop

Columbia, TN

#18 Jan 3, 2010
Lions Fan wrote:
Does Roger Butler work there?
No Roger Butler does NOT work there anymore and the place has not been the same ever since he left :(
great place

Knoxville, TN

#19 Jan 5, 2010
Great place to work!!
Check your scoop

Morristown, TN

#20 Jan 15, 2010
Inside Scoop wrote:
<quoted text>
No Roger Butler does NOT work there anymore and the place has not been the same ever since he left :(
Yes, he does. He is an extruder operator or second shift.

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