Delphi: Lockport Jobs May Be in Jeopardy

Delphi: Lockport Jobs May Be in Jeopardy

There are 380 comments on the WGRZ Buffalo story from Jul 6, 2007, titled Delphi: Lockport Jobs May Be in Jeopardy. In it, WGRZ Buffalo reports that:

A top company executive says rejection of a wage-cutting agreement by Delphi Corporation workers at the Lockport factory puts the 2,200 jobs at the western New York plant in jeopardy.

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hahahaha

Grand Island, NY

#408 Nov 21, 2008
Good luck paying your property taxes on unemployment suckers!
ben

Lancaster, NY

#409 Nov 22, 2008
Hey don't forget to shut the lights off in Lockport

Since: Sep 08

Eugene, OR

#410 Nov 24, 2008
Semper Fidelis wrote:
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The mansions of Grosse Pointe, MI were built by selling Cadillacs, Suburbans, and other full-size vehicles, not economy cars **** It's a hard mentality to change.****
It's hard to change when you don't look around you and see what is going on in the world. When you sit in the top floor office without windows and fly in the private jet and are picked up by limousines, when you try to convince the world that the people you hire are responsible for the companies woes. Even the congress saw through the crap at the hearing where the big 3 ceos asked for hundreds of millions. They said your employees have shown they are willing to sacrifice, what about the management. Congress asked if they would work for $1.00 for the next year and they all said no. He complimented them on the jets he saw coming into the Washington Airport and the limos they came to the meeting in. I think the days of blaming the factory worker has long since been gone. Factory workers make what they are told to make, the orders on what to make come down from management and small cars have been selling like crazey for years now.

Since: Sep 08

Eugene, OR

#411 Nov 24, 2008
This is a warning to all of the people who move from Lockport. Make sure that you take anything that you want or have been promised by a family member with you when you leave. There have been many cases where people who have moved from Lockport and were promised something from a loved one came back for the funeral to find the item missing. You will get no help from police in getting it. If mom promises you a ring and you come for the funeral and the ring is gone, because your brothers wife wants it and claims to never have seen it, you are screwed. According to the Lockport police this is becoming common practice and they can do nothing about it. Even if it's in a will, they can say they don't know what happened to it, it could have been the housekeeper or someone else. Take it with you or it could be gone!
Semper Fidelis

Delevan, NY

#412 Nov 24, 2008
debie 1954 wrote:
<quoted text>It's hard to change when you don't look around you and see what is going on in the world. When you sit in the top floor office without windows and fly in the private jet and are picked up by limousines, when you try to convince the world that the people you hire are responsible for the companies woes. Even the congress saw through the crap at the hearing where the big 3 ceos asked for hundreds of millions. They said your employees have shown they are willing to sacrifice, what about the management. Congress asked if they would work for $1.00 for the next year and they all said no. He complimented them on the jets he saw coming into the Washington Airport and the limos they came to the meeting in. I think the days of blaming the factory worker has long since been gone. Factory workers make what they are told to make, the orders on what to make come down from management and small cars have been selling like crazey for years now.
See post #408
For every post that blasts CEO compensation you will find several times the number blasting the guy on the line..
Semper Fidelis

Delevan, NY

#413 Nov 24, 2008
Has this kind of thing ever happen to Japanese auto company? Japan, where job layoffs are almost unheard of and companies instead of paying their CEO's obscene amounts of cash, stockpile cash to carry the company through rough times.
Blacksheep

United States

#414 Nov 24, 2008
Semper Fidelis wrote:
Has this kind of thing ever happen to Japanese auto company? Japan, where job layoffs are almost unheard of and companies instead of paying their CEO's obscene amounts of cash, stockpile cash to carry the company through rough times.
No, because Japan does not overpay a bunch of whining union losers to the detriment of the company.
Semper Fidelis

Buffalo, NY

#415 Nov 24, 2008
debie 1954 wrote:
<quoted text>It's hard to change when you don't look around you and see what is going on in the world. When you sit in the top floor office without windows and fly in the private jet and are picked up by limousines, when you try to convince the world that the people you hire are responsible for the companies woes. Even the congress saw through the crap at the hearing where the big 3 ceos asked for hundreds of millions. They said your employees have shown they are willing to sacrifice, what about the management. Congress asked if they would work for $1.00 for the next year and they all said no. He complimented them on the jets he saw coming into the Washington Airport and the limos they came to the meeting in. I think the days of blaming the factory worker has long since been gone. Factory workers make what they are told to make, the orders on what to make come down from management and small cars have been selling like crazey for years now.
Your right.. I think it is the crux of the issue...Like you said the boys and ladies on the line just put 'em together...Finances aside, the designers, engineers and management need to put out vehicles customers want to buy ...

When I was looking to buy my last vehicle, a mini-van, I visted the lots of each of the Big 3 in vain... I got sick of my wife telling me "I told you so" and ended up buying a Toyota Sienna .. Not because it cost less, it was only about 2K more than others, but because I thought it was a better vehicle... 50K and three years later the thing still looks and runs like new... I am sure too many of us have had a similiar experience...

Also, given the national security implications, I am pretty sure we need to bail these guys out...
Bankruptcy is no slam dunk... There are no assurances the burgening Chinese auto market wouldn't move in and gobble up another area of manufacturing, paying pennies on a dollar...

Since: Sep 08

Eugene, OR

#416 Nov 25, 2008
Blacksheep wrote:
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No, because Japan does not overpay a bunch of whining union losers to the detriment of the company.
GM was the top profit company on the forbes 500 list for years until 8 years ago big oil took the top of the list. Top profit means they were making truck loads of money after all of their bills were paid. Even the extremely high paid CEOs and executives. The union fought for the working man to get them a fair piece of the pie. Car prices sky rocketed and all was well. Then GM wanted to go global and pay Mexican workers $100. a week and no benefits. Did you see the price of the cars drop? No just more profits! These monster companies are use to those high profits and don't want to see them go away, so they make the employee the problem. Then oil sky rockets and they can't sell the gas guzzlers they have been obsessed with selling. They still want the profits to stay up so they start cutting jobs. Now they have retirees and don't want to cover the retirement and benefits that were promised them. GM will come out smelling like a rose as will the executives and the CEO. My son works at 7-11 and gets no overtime on holidays, no lunch or breaks unless he can sneak on when it's not busy. Fisher Price use to tell people if they got a union they would move the plant to Mexico. Their favorite line was if you don't like it there are always people in the welfare line who want your job. What is wrong with having a piece of the profit pie and benefits? I don't understand why everyone hates workers when they band together to get some of the companies profits for themselves. You would think everyone would want that. NAFT is our enemy if you want good jobs and fare pay we need to get rid of NAFTA or we will all be cleaning toilets for nothing. Chinese, Thai wan, Mexican and Japaneze people don't have very good lives. Do you want to live like them?

Since: Sep 08

Eugene, OR

#417 Nov 25, 2008
Blacksheep wrote:
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No, because Japan does not overpay a bunch of whining union losers to the detriment of the company.
Is that what happened to the steel jobs and other businesses in Ohio that left the state in really bad shape and no jobs? To many whining workers who were destroying the companies. GM pays Mexican's $100. dollars a week, that's it. Could an American live in America making $100. a week? GM has built new plants in China and Mexico, how did they afford that? They have gotten rid of the money making parts of their business, gmac (credit cards and loans) they are making money in China with a mini van that is selling like hot cakes. Financial adviser's on t.v. think that this GM bankruptcy threat is to dump the retirees, and get the bail out. Congress laughed at the CEO's request for a hundreds of millions loan. It's like Donald Trumps divorce. Donald's a multi billionaire. His wife divorces him and he is claiming bankruptcy. Divorce is over, wife gets small amount(even though she was an equal partner for years and handled a lot of his business). All of a sudden Donald is a billionaire again! Seems strange!
Semper Fidelis

Buffalo, NY

#418 Nov 25, 2008
debie 1954 wrote:
<quoted text>Is that what happened to the steel jobs and other businesses in Ohio that left the state in really bad shape and no jobs? To many whining workers who were destroying the companies. GM pays Mexican's $100. dollars a week, that's it. Could an American live in America making $100. a week? GM has built new plants in China and Mexico, how did they afford that? They have gotten rid of the money making parts of their business, gmac (credit cards and loans) they are making money in China with a mini van that is selling like hot cakes. Financial adviser's on t.v. think that this GM bankruptcy threat is to dump the retirees, and get the bail out. Congress laughed at the CEO's request for a hundreds of millions loan. It's like Donald Trumps divorce. Donald's a multi billionaire. His wife divorces him and he is claiming bankruptcy. Divorce is over, wife gets small amount(even though she was an equal partner for years and handled a lot of his business). All of a sudden Donald is a billionaire again! Seems strange!
Good post...I read an article in the NY times that Chevy alone has a 12% marketshare in China, the largest share of any make in the fastest growing car market in the world...

Also, GM has claimed that healtcare costs are between 20-35% of a vehicle's pricetag...Starting in 2010 GM will transfer the entire healthcare nut to the UAW...

GM is in better shape than they are letting on... Bankruptcy is not the way to go...
Semper Fidelis

Buffalo, NY

#419 Nov 25, 2008
retiree healtcare...

GM said it anticipates $3.3 billion in VEBA-related positive cash flow by 2011, reversing a negative $3.3 billion in cash flow in 2008.

The VEBA will take over $46.7 billion of GM's $64.3 billion in retiree health care obligations, or about 73%. GM will be left with $17.6 billion in retiree health care obligations, including costs for salaried employees and hourly workers who belong to other unions.

Since: Sep 08

Eugene, OR

#420 Nov 25, 2008
Semper Fidelis wrote:
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Good post...I read an article in the NY times that Chevy alone has a 12% market share in China, the largest share of any make in the fastest growing car market in the world...
Also, GM has claimed that healthcare costs are between 20-35% of a vehicle's price tag...Starting in 2010 GM will transfer the entire health care nut to the UAW...
GM is in better shape than they are letting on... Bankruptcy is not the way to go...
It is if you want to nullify the union contract and get employees who make high wages out and start a new low pay scale so you can expand your business into other countries where workers will do a job for nothing and without any benefits at all and you don't have to worry about those pesky environmental laws. GM is at a stage where baby boomers are retiring so they have to pay for the retirees and new workers. It is going to strain to profits they have so come to love. But that's business and these people suffer many injuries, illnesses and psychological problems from the nature of the work and the stress of the job. After years of repiticious, heavy, caustic, dirty, chemical exposed, stressful work GM employees need medical insurance coverage and in the declining years when all of the injuries start to take their toll on the body the insurance is cut and the company complains that other companies don't have to pay these benefits why do we. Because they are richer than god and can afford it and it's the right thing to do considering a lot of injuries came from making GM's cars for them. GM needs to do what's right and take care of it's loyal employees instead of trying to dump them so they can built more plants in other countries. How does that help America. I am curious to see what GM would do if the government gives them the money. Probably build a new super sized hummer! GM needs restructuring from the CEO down before any money is given to them. It's obvious that they don't know how to do it themselves.

Since: Sep 08

Eugene, OR

#421 Nov 25, 2008
hahahaha wrote:
Good luck paying your property taxes on unemployment suckers!
They also get sub pay from the union so they make as much as if working and will transfer to another plant if they can't retire. The state of New York has been taxing the heck out of the people who live there for many years to keep the bottomless pit called New York City afloat. New York City sucks the life out of New York State, I'm surprised they haven't started a tax for sitting in your house yet. It's probably being legislated as we speak. Canal bridges can't afford to be fixed, people have to adopt pot holes so they get filled, schools get underfunded and cities have to vote on what important thing to fix and what to let go. A lottery is created and whoosh that moneys gone, higher taxes and whoosh it's gone. What goes on in New York City that they need to suck the entire state and lately the federal government dry. It's crazy! New York State won't be happy until all of your pay check goes to taxes. It's like living in England! If GM/Delphi people have any common sense they will move to another state that allows them to keep some of their hard earned cash in their own pockets. Maybe that's what you should do! You sound fed up with taxes. I was once there myself, now I have some pocket change and no sales tax and the entire state has to vote on tax increases. There is life after Lockport, you should try it. I can remember a movement starting years ago to make New York City it's own state! I'm sorry you have to put up with it. Maybe you could take up the movement again, get petitions going, write senators and congressmen. You have the Internet now, start a website and lobby the government. You take care and be safe! Happy Thanksgiving and I will hope for you to have a mild winter.
blueballs

Buffalo, NY

#422 Mar 6, 2009
You guys ALL make to much $. I hope Delphi and GM both fail. GM makes shit cars anyway
tbird19482

AOL

#424 Mar 6, 2009
blueballs wrote:
You guys ALL make to much $. I hope Delphi and GM both fail. GM makes shit cars anyway
Person , where do get this IDEA from ? have YOU ever even put 1 hour on any of the prod, lines in an auto plant? do YOU have any first hand knowledge of what even goes on in an auto plant? I am a retiree from an auto CO and I'LL tell you what, I got set back on MY heels just this afternoon when I found out what some NY state workers and some of the STEEL workers GET!!! I don't [ after 38years] even get 1/2 of what these people get, MAYBE we the working people of the U.S. should look into just HOW much our state and FED workers get in retirement [ question why are new york state workers retirements TAX FREE??? MY retirement isn't tax free]OH forgot to tell you the steel worker get his retirement from the GOV. fund Beth. steel went bankrupt years ago , and HE gets 1/2 of what he would have , and thats still as much as I get befor they take my X wifes part out.
tbird19482

AOL

#425 Mar 6, 2009
debie 1954 wrote:
<quoted text>They also get sub pay from the union so they make as much as if working and will transfer to another plant if they can't retire. The state of New York has been taxing the heck out of the people who live there for many years to keep the bottomless pit called New York City afloat. New York City sucks the life out of New York State, I'm surprised they haven't started a tax for sitting in your house yet. It's probably being legislated as we speak. Canal bridges can't afford to be fixed, people have to adopt pot holes so they get filled, schools get underfunded and cities have to vote on what important thing to fix and what to let go. A lottery is created and whoosh that moneys gone, higher taxes and whoosh it's gone. What goes on in New York City that they need to suck the entire state and lately the federal government dry. It's crazy! New York State won't be happy until all of your pay check goes to taxes. It's like living in England! If GM/Delphi people have any common sense they will move to another state that allows them to keep some of their hard earned cash in their own pockets. Maybe that's what you should do! You sound fed up with taxes. I was once there myself, now I have some pocket change and no sales tax and the entire state has to vote on tax increases. There is life after Lockport, you should try it. I can remember a movement starting years ago to make New York City it's own state! I'm sorry you have to put up with it. Maybe you could take up the movement again, get petitions going, write senators and congressmen. You have the Internet now, start a website and lobby the government. You take care and be safe! Happy Thanksgiving and I will hope for you to have a mild winter.
Deb people like Blueball don't know a thing about what THEY are talking about, ASK them have they ever even put 1 hour on a line in an auto plant? Some of these FOOLS think this is the FIRST time the workers [ union members of the UAW] have redone their contract , NOT!!!!!! over the 38 years I worked in an auto plant I had contracts where we GAVE BACK , I just wonder IF any of these people have ever gone back and LOOKED UP just what was in our contracts, I can remember ATLEAST 3 other times we gave back and TOOK CUTS in order to HELP the US AUTO CO'S ,[ question for these people , WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY WE DIDN'T TAKE AND WAS TO BE put into OUR RETIREMENT AND HEALTH CARE FUNDS???? THIS was money that was to be pay raises we defered and was to be put into a fund to pay for the retirement and health care, WHERE DID IT GO??????] I figured out I was paying in to this fund over $ 7.50 per hour to this fund instead of getting this money in my pay check, as I said I worked there for over 38 years and I would like to know what the CO did with MY money!!

Since: Apr 09

Olean, NY

#426 Apr 4, 2009
Does this mean there will be less motorcycle heads trying to rule the road when im in my car? Or more?
Oh crap! Key word, TRY!
LMAO!
The Boss

United States

#427 Aug 1, 2013
The reason why management makes more than the idiot making the hamburgers is because he has earned his keep. In many cases the manager has built himself/herself from the ground up. And yes, because we took the time to become highly educated we do deserve to make more money. Any moron can drop out of highschool and get a factory job. FACT!!! There is nothing special about loading parts. Whenever you have a problem you ask for help because you can't figure out what is going on. Thats when engineers and managers come in and save the day. Lets get real kids, if we didn't have management and engineering do you think the dipshit loading is going to develop new business? You'd have been out of jobs long long ago. I think Harrison himself would agree. Or do you want to steal credit from him too?
sammy the jobs are gone

Lancaster, NY

#428 Feb 19, 2014
Sammy say its over !!
Will wrote:
“In a June 29th letter, Ronald Pirtle, president of Delphi Thermal Systems, wrote, "I am no longer confident that there is a commitment by joint leadership or the employees to make Lockport competitive.
"Lacking this commitment, you will not become a viable operation, leaving your future in jeopardy."
Well now, isn’t this a surprise? I must admit, I spoke with tongue-in-cheek when I suggested that, if I was in charge, I’d close the Lockport plant as an example to the remaining employees. This is the first salvo in an action that will eventually prove my words to be true. Too bad but did you really think you all had a choice in this decision? For the company to survive, these concessions had to be made and more still have to be made, especially within management itself. And you sent a strong message that you were not going to help solve the problem but continue to be part of it. As long as the “union mentality” is alive & well in WNY, we will always be caught up in the 60’s!
Ok, now you all can call me names, that’s OK because I will get to leave my job (retiring shortly) on my terms. That’s more than I can say for you poor folks, sadly. Here’s a suggestion, make sure your children go on to higher education instead of following the “family footsteps” of working for the auto industry for ridiculously high wages & benefits. The party’s over folks but, you what to know what upsets me the most? I and those of us that still work, will have to pay for your foolishness in the form of higher taxes and your unemployment. Thanks allot! I do wish you all well…good luck!

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