Delphi: Lockport Jobs May Be in Jeopardy

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A top company executive says rejection of a wage-cutting agreement by Delphi Corporation workers at the Lockport factory puts the 2,200 jobs at the western New York plant in jeopardy. Full Story
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Will

Marysville, MI

#1 Jul 6, 2007
“In a June 29th letter, Ronald Pirtle, president of Delphi Thermal Systems, wrote, "I am no longer confident that there is a commitment by joint leadership or the employees to make Lockport competitive.
"Lacking this commitment, you will not become a viable operation, leaving your future in jeopardy."

Well now, isn’t this a surprise? I must admit, I spoke with tongue-in-cheek when I suggested that, if I was in charge, I’d close the Lockport plant as an example to the remaining employees. This is the first salvo in an action that will eventually prove my words to be true. Too bad but did you really think you all had a choice in this decision? For the company to survive, these concessions had to be made and more still have to be made, especially within management itself. And you sent a strong message that you were not going to help solve the problem but continue to be part of it. As long as the “union mentality” is alive & well in WNY, we will always be caught up in the 60’s!
Ok, now you all can call me names, that’s OK because I will get to leave my job (retiring shortly) on my terms. That’s more than I can say for you poor folks, sadly. Here’s a suggestion, make sure your children go on to higher education instead of following the “family footsteps” of working for the auto industry for ridiculously high wages & benefits. The party’s over folks but, you what to know what upsets me the most? I and those of us that still work, will have to pay for your foolishness in the form of higher taxes and your unemployment. Thanks allot! I do wish you all well…good luck!
Real World

New York, NY

#2 Jul 6, 2007
Buffalo News Friday July 6, 2007
"Lockport jobs in jeopardy due to conract rejection, President of Delphi says"

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/113773 ....

Basically, even Delphi leadership can't understand why employees wouldn't want to try to preserve their jobs...

I made the following comment on Monday in the other Delphi forum. After Pirtle's comments it looks like Delphi is considering more reorganization:

" Monday Jul 2
Delphi will resemble the Bethlehem Steel complex after the next round of cuts in a few years. You think management is going forget the union's June 2007 "no" vote at the Lockport plant, while the others voted "yes" to the contract ??? "

It boggles the mind how employees would rather vote defiantly...would you rather earn 60% of what you are currently earning OR will you truly be happy once you tell management you'd be satisfied earning 0%?

Because that's what this boils down to - earn a wage or don't ANY wage.
al the great aka dimwit

United States

#3 Jul 6, 2007
i agree with what Will says above in his comments
blueman

Buffalo, NY

#4 Jul 6, 2007
It sounds like the lockport plant is done. If it's not competitive there is no reason to keep it open.
Candy Apple

North Tonawanda, NY

#5 Jul 6, 2007
Will wrote:
“In a June 29th letter, Ronald Pirtle, president of Delphi Thermal Systems, wrote, "I am no longer confident that there is a commitment by joint leadership or the employees to make Lockport competitive.
"Lacking this commitment, you will not become a viable operation, leaving your future in jeopardy."
Well now, isn’t this a surprise? I must admit, I spoke with tongue-in-cheek when I suggested that, if I was in charge, I’d close the Lockport plant as an example to the remaining employees. This is the first salvo in an action that will eventually prove my words to be true. Too bad but did you really think you all had a choice in this decision? For the company to survive, these concessions had to be made and more still have to be made, especially within management itself. And you sent a strong message that you were not going to help solve the problem but continue to be part of it. As long as the “union mentality” is alive & well in WNY, we will always be caught up in the 60’s!
Ok, now you all can call me names, that’s OK because I will get to leave my job (retiring shortly) on my terms. That’s more than I can say for you poor folks, sadly. Here’s a suggestion, make sure your children go on to higher education instead of following the “family footsteps” of working for the auto industry for ridiculously high wages & benefits. The party’s over folks but, you what to know what upsets me the most? I and those of us that still work, will have to pay for your foolishness in the form of higher taxes and your unemployment. Thanks allot! I do wish you all well…good luck!
Congratulations on your retirement! Thank you for all the suggestions we appreciate it so very much. We were all wondering what we should do and now you've come along and told us and well...everything should be okay now. It's always comforting to know there will be one less moron in the workforce! Bye Bye!
kelly

United States

#6 Jul 6, 2007
The purpose of a democracy is to be able to vote for what you want. We live in a democracy and yet now that we have made our votes,our new Dictator Ron Pirtle says that we might lose our jobs. Let me tell you something Will. I do work. I work very hard everyday! The general public has a belief that those of us that work at Delphi sit on our butts and do nothing all day.This is very far from the truth.And for those of you that believe that all we do there is put a few screws into a part as it is going along on an assembly line,those days are long gone.We work. We do the jobs of 3 maybe 4 people at a time. We make great money. I wont argue with that. But the next time you turn the heat or the A.C. on in you vehicle...stop and think about where that was made.Even if you drive a foriegn car (Toyota). It could have been made right here in Lockport.Then think about all of us that you bash everyday.We are all people just like you. We have families to support, bills to pay.We get up everyday and go into that place and 9 or 10 or sometimes even 12 hours later go home to spend a few precious moments with our families before it starts all over again. I appre4ciate the fact that you have an opinion, but you have No clue about us or our lives.The only part of what you know is what you have read in the paper or seen on the news.Walk a mile in our shoes.
Jackie

Buffalo, NY

#7 Jul 6, 2007
Will wrote:
“In a June 29th letter, Ronald Pirtle, president of Delphi Thermal Systems, wrote, "I am no longer confident that there is a commitment by joint leadership or the employees to make Lockport competitive.
"Lacking this commitment, you will not become a viable operation, leaving your future in jeopardy."
Well now, isn’t this a surprise? I must admit, I spoke with tongue-in-cheek when I suggested that, if I was in charge, I’d close the Lockport plant as an example to the remaining employees. This is the first salvo in an action that will eventually prove my words to be true. Too bad but did you really think you all had a choice in this decision? For the company to survive, these concessions had to be made and more still have to be made, especially within management itself. And you sent a strong message that you were not going to help solve the problem but continue to be part of it. As long as the “union mentality” is alive & well in WNY, we will always be caught up in the 60’s!
Ok, now you all can call me names, that’s OK because I will get to leave my job (retiring shortly) on my terms. That’s more than I can say for you poor folks, sadly. Here’s a suggestion, make sure your children go on to higher education instead of following the “family footsteps” of working for the auto industry for ridiculously high wages & benefits. The party’s over folks but, you what to know what upsets me the most? I and those of us that still work, will have to pay for your foolishness in the form of higher taxes and your unemployment. Thanks allot! I do wish you all well…good luck!
"Competitive"??? I wish you and all those others would get your heads out of the sand. It has NOTHING to do with being competitive. Management wants more money in their pockets and the easiest way to get that is too cut the pay of the workers. This is NOT a new concept for any business. HELLO??? Is there any brains in there???
al the great aka dimwit

Phoenix, AZ

#8 Jul 6, 2007
Charlene wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations on your retirement! Thank you for all the suggestions we appreciate it so very much. We were all wondering what we should do and now you've come along and told us and well...everything should be okay now. It's always comforting to know there will be one less moron in the workforce! Bye Bye!
Will's comments are reflective of a majority of people who see how bad the delphi situation has become.

I suggest to you charlene to take a course on strategic management in the global economy

perhaps, you might then see that production workers are a dime a dozen and outsourcing jobs overseas is here to stay.
abby

New Brunswick, NJ

#9 Jul 6, 2007
did you think it wasn't going to happen? maybe management would be kind and leave the plant open? They may be money hungry pigs, but they are smart ones that will get the last laugh on the union employees that voted no. should have just sucked it up and dealt with it, instead of being pig headed and playing the union game. it's just not worth it. no matter how angry management makes you, they still hold all of the cards. sorry for your losses.
Kenmore

Buffalo, NY

#10 Jul 6, 2007
Competition is key in business. If you are not competitive, you will drive your customers away. Management has the perogative to make the big bucks...that is part of the perk of being management.
Candy Apple

North Tonawanda, NY

#11 Jul 6, 2007
kelly wrote:
The purpose of a democracy is to be able to vote for what you want. We live in a democracy and yet now that we have made our votes,our new Dictator Ron Pirtle says that we might lose our jobs. Let me tell you something Will. I do work. I work very hard everyday! The general public has a belief that those of us that work at Delphi sit on our butts and do nothing all day.This is very far from the truth.And for those of you that believe that all we do there is put a few screws into a part as it is going along on an assembly line,those days are long gone.We work. We do the jobs of 3 maybe 4 people at a time. We make great money. I wont argue with that. But the next time you turn the heat or the A.C. on in you vehicle...stop and think about where that was made.Even if you drive a foriegn car (Toyota). It could have been made right here in Lockport.Then think about all of us that you bash everyday.We are all people just like you. We have families to support, bills to pay.We get up everyday and go into that place and 9 or 10 or sometimes even 12 hours later go home to spend a few precious moments with our families before it starts all over again. I appre4ciate the fact that you have an opinion, but you have No clue about us or our lives.The only part of what you know is what you have read in the paper or seen on the news.Walk a mile in our shoes.
AMEN KELLY!! They are clueless! Great post!
Candy Apple

North Tonawanda, NY

#12 Jul 6, 2007
al the great aka dimwit wrote:
i agree with what Will says above in his comments
Oh there's a shock. I'm glad you changed your name to reflect who and what you really are.
Real World

New York, NY

#13 Jul 6, 2007
thank you Al the Great for your continued efforts to keep this discussion at a mature, logical level.
Jackie

Buffalo, NY

#14 Jul 6, 2007
al the great aka dimwit wrote:
<quoted text>
Will's comments are reflective of a majority of people who see how bad the delphi situation has become.
I suggest to you charlene to take a course on strategic management in the global economy
perhaps, you might then see that production workers are a dime a dozen and outsourcing jobs overseas is here to stay.
"outsourcing jobs overseas is here to stay" And you are OKAY with this??? If you hate America that much that you encourage it's demise then I suggest you GET OUT! With your mentality there will be nothing left...God help us all!
Jackie

Buffalo, NY

#15 Jul 6, 2007
Kenmore wrote:
Competition is key in business. If you are not competitive, you will drive your customers away. Management has the perogative to make the big bucks...that is part of the perk of being management.
Yes, competition is the key to business, however, this is not about being competitive. How many times do I have to say it??? Their "perogative."??? Well, guess what... they can take their perogative and shove it. Would you rather pay a FAIR wage and have happy employees or would you rather pay minimal, have disgruntled employees and end up with spit in your food. Duh... common sense.
Will

Marysville, MI

#16 Jul 6, 2007
Charlene wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations on your retirement! Thank you for all the suggestions we appreciate it so very much. We were all wondering what we should do and now you've come along and told us and well...everything should be okay now. It's always comforting to know there will be one less moron in the workforce! Bye Bye!
Charlene: I knew I could count on you for some sassy backtalk! You go girl, stay defiant to the end! But, I'm afraid you will be the moron we will be saying bye-bye to! Good luck to you!
al the great aka dimwit

Phoenix, AZ

#17 Jul 6, 2007
Charlene wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh there's a shock. I'm glad you changed your name to reflect who and what you really are.
accept the reality of the current situation. do you really think the rest of the people who are still employed in western new york want to have their taxes raised because delphi workers may eventually need public assistance?
Candy Apple

North Tonawanda, NY

#18 Jul 6, 2007
al the great aka dimwit wrote:
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accept the reality of the current situation. do you really think the rest of the people who are still employed in western new york want to have their taxes raised because delphi workers may eventually need public assistance?
I think you're all counting on it. It sounds like you're quite delighted about it to which is the sickest part of all of this. Be careful what you wish for - you may get it.
Candy Apple

North Tonawanda, NY

#19 Jul 6, 2007
Will wrote:
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Charlene: I knew I could count on you for some sassy backtalk! You go girl, stay defiant to the end! But, I'm afraid you will be the moron we will be saying bye-bye to! Good luck to you!
Happy Retirement Will! Your disrespect for women is really admirable. You're wife is a luck lady!
Kenmore

Buffalo, NY

#20 Jul 6, 2007
Jackie wrote:
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Yes, competition is the key to business, however, this is not about being competitive. How many times do I have to say it??? Their "perogative."??? Well, guess what... they can take their perogative and shove it. Would you rather pay a FAIR wage and have happy employees or would you rather pay minimal, have disgruntled employees and end up with spit in your food. Duh... common sense.
Funny how the rest of the Delphi members (outside of WNY) disagree with you. The new wages are fair. You do not have to be disgruntled... find another job with your skill set.

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