School is division lesson for Senecas

Apr 20, 2009 Full story: Buffalo News 162

Unhappy with the education their children receive in traditional public schools, leaders of the Seneca Indian Nation plan to start their own independent school in the fall of 2010.

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Wah Who

Bound Brook, NJ

#1 Apr 22, 2009
Don't these Indian children have parents, churches, and other organizations on the reservation that are willing to teach them their culture?

If the parents cared they would ensure their children learned what was important. This sounds more like a cash grab.
OhYeah

Buffalo, NY

#2 Apr 28, 2009
This article is ridiculos! The majority of the people interviewd and complaining are all Rob Porte' family members!!! Are they forgetting that miost of them are are half, if not more than half, WHITE!!! One piece of the article was correct...Rob Porter is exaggerating BIG TIME!!!! No one is treated differently in schools here. If you do something wrong in school, no matter what your skin color, you get in trouble.
just me

Kennebunkport, ME

#3 Apr 29, 2009
I don't see the problem in giving them their own school, afterall, look what we took from them years ago. this is the ONLY culture that you never hear anything from, no whining, no blame on us for them not advancing, no nothing. my family is Italian but lets face it, my mother can't teach me the things my ancestors could have, so just give them their school so these kids can learn about a heritage we, the white people, took from them.

Since: Feb 08

gowanda ny

#4 Apr 29, 2009
just me wrote:
I don't see the problem in giving them their own school, afterall, look what we took from them years ago. this is the ONLY culture that you never hear anything from, no whining, no blame on us for them not advancing, no nothing. my family is Italian but lets face it, my mother can't teach me the things my ancestors could have, so just give them their school so these kids can learn about a heritage we, the white people, took from them.
EXCELLENT POST!
Anyone watching WE SHALL REMAIN on PBS Monday nights? There are only 2 episodes left. You might learn something.:-)
Nowthatsahoot

Buffalo, NY

#5 Apr 29, 2009
Let them have their school. Who the hell cares. We have Catholic Schools, Christian Schools, Muslim schools, jewish schools, and yes in this day and age schools were only blacks are allowed to attend(yes it is a college but it exists). Let them learn their heritage and have these kids be taught the way the parents feel they need to be taught.

I wish I had good polish roman catholic school to send my kids to. They could learn polish instead of english, learn the polish traditions that died out with my grandmother that so many of us forgot, and learn about our religion. But

Nothing wrong with what the Senecas are doing. We need more schools like this.
OhYeah

Buffalo, NY

#6 Apr 29, 2009
just me wrote:
I don't see the problem in giving them their own school, afterall, look what we took from them years ago. this is the ONLY culture that you never hear anything from, no whining, no blame on us for them not advancing, no nothing. my family is Italian but lets face it, my mother can't teach me the things my ancestors could have, so just give them their school so these kids can learn about a heritage we, the white people, took from them.
They are the BIGGEST whiners! You are sooo wrong!!!
really

Buffalo, NY

#7 Apr 29, 2009
Gotta agree with ohyeah there!

Since: Feb 08

gowanda ny

#8 Apr 29, 2009
OhYeah wrote:
You are sooo wrong!!!
No YOU are wrong!
Johannes Schweinficker

Buffalo, NY

#9 Apr 29, 2009
tylerstwit wrote:
<quoted text>
No YOU are wrong!
Nice looking Sealpoint.

Hansie
Semper Fidelis

Buffalo, NY

#10 Apr 29, 2009
One important thing....How are they going to pay for it ?? It doesn't say in the article.. Are we talking charter here or private school?? If it is a charter NYSED will dicate terms..Nichols School headmaster Richard C. Bryan is advising the Senecas... Nichols, a independent private school, is 15K a year... I don't think the families supporting this understand how expensive this endeavor will be...
heron clan

United States

#11 Apr 29, 2009
OhYeah wrote:
This article is ridiculos! The majority of the people interviewd and complaining are all Rob Porte' family members!!! Are they forgetting that miost of them are are half, if not more than half, WHITE!!! One piece of the article was correct...Rob Porter is exaggerating BIG TIME!!!! No one is treated differently in schools here. If you do something wrong in school, no matter what your skin color, you get in trouble.
I went to SCCS and the ridicule towards INDIANS was terrible. We had to back each other up with support because the WHITES were mean full of HATE. I wish I had a school like this when I was younger and I could send my son to a tribal school today.
NotASeneca

Utica, NY

#12 Apr 29, 2009
If they charge $15000, maybe thats were some of that annuity money can go instead of blowing it!
TEACHER

Utica, NY

#13 Apr 29, 2009
I have a friend that works at Salamanca- and she says a different story. There is alot of racism coming from both sides. We need to teach our children to get along with everyone.
Dear Dummy

Bound Brook, NJ

#14 Apr 30, 2009
Nowthatsahoot wrote:
Let them have their school. Who the hell cares. We have Catholic Schools, Christian Schools, Muslim schools, jewish schools, and yes in this day and age schools were only blacks are allowed to attend(yes it is a college but it exists). Let them learn their heritage and have these kids be taught the way the parents feel they need to be taught.
I wish I had good polish roman catholic school to send my kids to. They could learn polish instead of english, learn the polish traditions that died out with my grandmother that so many of us forgot, and learn about our religion. But
Nothing wrong with what the Senecas are doing. We need more schools like this.
They can have their own school, however they are suggesting taxpayers fund it. If indians were serious about their culture they would teach it to their children.
Dear Heron Clan

Bound Brook, NJ

#15 Apr 30, 2009
heron clan wrote:
<quoted text>I went to SCCS and the ridicule towards INDIANS was terrible. We had to back each other up with support because the WHITES were mean full of HATE. I wish I had a school like this when I was younger and I could send my son to a tribal school today.
I also went to SCCS and remember my first day of school riding the "indian bus" and several indians fighting w/ me. I remember playing for the seneca sachems and the indians always wanting to fight me. I remember indians stealing bikes and cars in Irving. I remember quite a number of similar instances, however I was friends with many. The problems ran both ways, but most of the indians that were my friends were not the trouble makers.
Robert

Salamanca, NY

#16 May 1, 2009
If The Seneca Nation wishes to puruse starting their own school, let them, but do not expect NYS tax payers to pay for it. They do not pay any property taxes, or state income taxes, so let them start collecting taxes from their own tribal members to pay for the school, teachers and counselors.
Semper Fidelis

Castile, NY

#17 May 1, 2009
Robert wrote:
If The Seneca Nation wishes to puruse starting their own school, let them, but do not expect NYS tax payers to pay for it. They do not pay any property taxes, or state income taxes, so let them start collecting taxes from their own tribal members to pay for the school, teachers and counselors.
That's a valid point... Considering the prohibitive costs of a private school I'm sure the boys from Nichols are advising them to go the charter route...

The tricky thing is is that given the budget fiasco NYSED really doesn't want any new charters issued, with the exception of NYC.. In fact, 15 new charter schools opened in NY last year, every one was in NYC...

Talk is cheap and everything has a price... If the families want to pay out of pocket for a private school, go ahead, its their right...But, I seriously doubt that families on the rez, given the choice, will pony up 15K a year for each of their children's education when they can get a free one down the road..
anonymouse

United States

#18 May 5, 2009
you don't get it do you?

the sni is financially resting upon the tax payers of the united states
they get money for homes.( HUD )
they get money for heating ( HEAP )
they get money for home improvement ( HIP )
they get money for women,infants and children ( WIC)
they get money for the courts, they get money for the running of the government, they get money for the conservation department, etc., etc., etc.,

then the have the option of operating a casino tax free, but they have to pay nys 25 percent revenue from the slot machines.
but they do not pay any money made from the black jack tables, the carribean stud tables, the 5 card poker tables.

so who do you think is going to pay for the new school? that's right the taxpayers of nys and the united states. so dig deep that is going to cost alot of money.
Josh

Salamanca, NY

#19 May 7, 2009
heron clan wrote:
<quoted text>I went to SCCS and the ridicule towards INDIANS was terrible. We had to back each other up with support because the WHITES were mean full of HATE. I wish I had a school like this when I was younger and I could send my son to a tribal school today.
I went to SCCS as well. There was as much hate and ridicule towards white kids as there was towards native kids. Your statement is a load of crap. The native kids even had their own resource room where only they could go for help. The other kids didn't have a special room, natives only. We had Seneca Culture class every year starting in elementary, with Mr. Printup(RIP). There was also an option to take Seneca language instead of spanish or french, from 7th grade thru 12th.
Semper Fidelis

Buffalo, NY

#20 May 7, 2009
1/2 of the teenagers in any high school school, any place, any time are __________you fill in the blank with any derogatory term you would like; and it likely applies.) It come with the age..

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