Volunteer Firefighter Arsonist Report

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Fireman Fred

Buffalo, NY

#1 Feb 14, 2012
A new report developed by the National Volunteer Fire Council addresses firefighter arson, including the patterns of behavior and the impact on fire departments’ reputations.

http://firechief.com/leadership/ar/nvfc-firef...
Fireman Fred

Buffalo, NY

#2 Feb 14, 2012
Just Sayin

Sterling Heights, MI

#3 Feb 14, 2012
82% of the anti-Volunteer Fireman posts on here come from paid fireman who are scared they may lose their cushy overpaid jobs to volunteers. No more padding OT and pensions sitting around the firehouse playing cards.

Hey, if I was a mechanic, and a group of people started a volunteer mechanic garage in the next town over, and provided free service; I’d bad mouth them.
Just Sayin

Sterling Heights, MI

#4 Feb 14, 2012
Paid firefighter John Orr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leonard_Orr

“…one of the worst American serial arsonists of the twentieth century”

“…after Orr was arrested, the number of brush fires in the nearby foothill areas decreased by over ninety percent”

“…Orr set nearly 2,000 fires between 1984 and 1991.”

Paid firefighters are WAY better arsonists then all the volunteers combined….

Think about it, they get OVERTIME and JOB SECURTY!
Just Sayin Too

Buffalo, NY

#5 Feb 14, 2012
You do realize fake firemen get pensions, too, right?

How many others get pensions for hanging out, drinking free beer with their buds? One of the best scams going in America.
Just Sayin

Sterling Heights, MI

#6 Feb 14, 2012
Just Sayin Too wrote:
You do realize fake firemen get pensions, too, right?
How many others get pensions for hanging out, drinking free beer with their buds? One of the best scams going in America.
Yeah, putting out a fire is a scam.

You do realize these people have real jobs on top of volunteering?

They have a pension system, by its very convoluted, difficult to maintain current status and not very much.

God bless them all, paid and unpaid. But for crying out loud shut your fúckîng pie hole bitching about the volunteers.
Just Sayin Too

Buffalo, NY

#8 Feb 14, 2012
I don't particularly care for your tone, mister! Just for that, I think I'll make your wife my Valentine and hump her brains out while you're at work today. At least you'll know why she appears to be retarded when you get home.
Just Sayin

Sterling Heights, MI

#9 Feb 14, 2012
Just Sayin Too wrote:
I don't particularly care for your tone, mister! Just for that, I think I'll make your wife my Valentine and hump her brains out while you're at work today. At least you'll know why she appears to be retarded when you get home.
Thats funny in many ways! LOL

Since: Feb 10

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#10 Feb 14, 2012
Fireman Fred wrote:
http://www.nvfc.org/files/docu ments/FF_Arson_Report_FINAL.pd f
Thank you for bringing up these posts.
IF people would take the time to read them there are some very interesting facts they would learn.
One fact is only about 100 fire fighters are arrested a year for arson and there are a little over 1 million fire fighters in the U.S.
That is Paid and Volunteer firefighters combined.
So lets see that wouldn't even be 1/10 of 1% of all fire fighters in the U.S.[ not even near 82%]
If you go on and read about the volunteers training they qual. for NFPA1001 the same qualifications that professional fire fighters do.
Oh there is alot more in there some people on here should read.
Thank You again it is very interesting reading.
Have a good night
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#11 Feb 14, 2012
Fireman Fred wrote:
http://www.nvfc.org/files/docu ments/FF_Arson_Report_FINAL.pd f
This was a GREAT find, Fred

I like this:

"Before the fire, we were just sitting around bored. We were talking about how
the Chief yells at us for the things we do wrong and everybody was saying
‘Let’s wait for the next fire to come out and maybe we can do good on it’…
And then the words,‘Set a fire’ came up."
(Price, 1990)
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#12 Feb 14, 2012
And this

The remarkable superiority in firefighting displayed by
Volunteer Company 2 of Beverly, to the chagrin of its rival,
Company 1 there, went up in thin smoke today… It all
started as a result of the usual friendly rivalry between
“vamps.” It was on that basis for a time, but fires ordinarily
being scarce in Beverly, Company 2 became impatient
and ill content to play checkers in the firehouse when there
were honors to be won through “smoke-eating.” Then fires
began breaking out with regularity. Each time, no sooner
did the alarm sound than the members of Company 2 were
trundling their chemical engine to the street, and with that
love of thunderous noise peculiar to the fire-fighter, were
making their way to the scene whooping like cowboys.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#13 Feb 14, 2012
and this....

Name: Steven Specht
Fire Department: 6th Ward 7th District Pearl River Volunteer Fire
Department
City: Pearl River
State: Louisiana
Age: 17 when I started setting fires. 19 When arrested.
30 years old now.
Why did you join the fire service?
I was raised in the fire service. In my family everyone was
involved in the fire service.
How many years did you serve at your department?
I fought brush fires as a child, but officially became a
firefighter at age 16, so 3 years.
Do you have family in the fire service and/or your
department?
Yes, my father, mother, and sister were all involved in the
fire service.
Did you ever set, or have the urge to set, fires before
joining the fire service?
No. I only set fires as part of the fire service.
Did you have previous encounters with the law?
Truancy in school, and I was convicted of minor marijuana
possession charges.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#14 Feb 14, 2012
A SIXTEEN year old volunteer firefighter being trained by a NINETEEN tear old???

When did you first decide to set fires and what was
your reasoning or motivation to do so?
At age 16 I joined the fire service. A senior firefighter
was assigned as my training officer (he was 19). He
encouraged me to go out and set grass fires so that we
could respond and put them out for training purposes. He
showed me how to set the fires and gave me pointers on
how not to get caught.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#15 Feb 14, 2012
How many fires did you set? How long were you
engaging in this behavior?
I set 50-75 grass fires over approximately 2 years.
Did you act alone or did you have accomplices from
within the department or the community?
Even when I was alone there were accomplices who knew
that I was setting the fires. At one point I hooked up with
a neighboring fire department and learned that several of
them set fires. They were setting structures on fire and
were encouraging/pressuring me to do the same. This is
when I notified my boss who contacted authorities. I think
11 or 12 firefighters were ultimately arrested from our two
departments for arson fires.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#16 Feb 14, 2012
What were your primary targets and how did you
choose where/what to burn?
I only set grass fires in rural areas. I chose areas that were
not dead ends so that I could light the fire and continue
away without drawing attention to my vehicle.
Did you call in your own fires?
No, I did not.
Did you respond to your own fires?
Yes, all of them.
Did you fully understand the severity of your actions
when setting the fire(s)? Were you fully aware that
your actions were against the law?
No, I did not understand the severity of my actions,
although I knew that it was against the law.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#17 Feb 14, 2012
Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.

Did your department have any training or prevention
measures in place for firefighter arson?
No, I received no training regarding firefighter arson. Like I
said, firefighter arson was encouraged.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#18 Feb 14, 2012
One of the most popular explanations for why some volunteer
firefighters set fires is the desire to be seen as a hero. As
noted earlier, since the 1950s, if not before, it is often
presumed that many volunteer firefighter arsonists are ‘vanity
firesetters’ or have a ‘hero complex.’ Vanity firesetters
apparently set fires in order to warn others or potentially
rescue trapped persons, or even simply to demonstrate how
alert and helpful they are. Given the potential that citizens
may be endangered in order for the volunteer firefighter arsonist to
rescue them, this type of firesetting is understandably seen as
particularly heinous. A number of civilians and firefighters
have been seriously injured, disfigured, and even killed by volunteer
firefighter arsonists, although it is not always possible to
determine in each instance if the volunteer firefighter arsonist hoped
to be seen as a hero. While there is a tendency to presume
that most firefighter arsonists set fires to be seen as a hero,
there is little or no concrete evidence that this is a common
motive
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#19 Feb 14, 2012
My name is Stephen Specht and I am a former volunteer firefighter for
the St. Tammany Parish Louisiana Volunteer Fire District 7. I want to
thank you all for having me here today. I was asked to be a
part of this presentation of firesetting volunteer firemen. I was asked
to participate because I am a firesetting volunteer fireman, or at least I
was.
I became a volunteer firefighter because I enjoyed helping people
and enjoyed the respect that came with being a firefighter.
My family has a long history of being volunteer firemen and
remains in this field today.
I was proud to be associated with the fire service and,
although highly unlikely, I would love the opportunity to put
my past behind me and return to the volunteer fire service. Because
I still want to help my fellow firefighters I am here today
before you.
I want you to learn from me how this can happen to volunteer firemen
in your state. Maybe my being here will help you catch the
firesetting volunteer firemen that are actively committing arson in your
area, because trust me, they are out there. More importantly
though, maybe I can show you how I fell into this cycle of
arson and hopefully it can help you prevent some young volunteer
fireman from ruining their lives like I did mine.
Leafer Crunch

Chesapeake, VA

#20 Feb 14, 2012
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for bringing up these posts.
IF people would take the time to read them there are some very interesting facts they would learn.
One fact is only about 100 fire fighters are arrested a year for arson and there are a little over 1 million fire fighters in the U.S.
That is Paid and Volunteer firefighters combined.
So lets see that wouldn't even be 1/10 of 1% of all fire fighters in the U.S.[ not even near 82%]
If you go on and read about the volunteers training they qual. for NFPA1001 the same qualifications that professional fire fighters do.
Oh there is alot more in there some people on here should read.
Thank You again it is very interesting reading.
Have a good night
Yep, I read that...a 16 year old volunteer "fireman" being trained by a 19 year old volunteer "fireman"....and he was training him on how to SET fires
Just Sayin

Sterling Heights, MI

#21 Feb 15, 2012
Hey Life, is this your dad?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leonard_Orr

Paid firefighter John Orr:

“…one of the worst American serial arsonists of the twentieth century”

“…after Orr was arrested, the number of brush fires in the nearby foothill areas decreased by over ninety percent”

“…Orr set nearly 2,000 fires between 1984 and 1991.”

Paid firefighters are WAY better arsonists then all the volunteers combined….

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