How much would Neocon make without th...

How much would Neocon make without the Union

Created by Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh on Feb 8, 2013

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About $27,000 per year

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Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#1 Feb 8, 2013
Neocon has admitted he is a buffalo cop with almost 30 years "on the job". He is evasive about his rank and assignment. He says he gets alot of OT.

From his posts, I am guessing he is a front line supervisor (Lt) and he is assigned to a specialty unit like Narcotics or TPU (do they still have that?)

I would guess his base pay is about $70,000 and with OT, he is manipulating it into a $100,000 circus. For example. If he knows there is going to be drug search warrant served at 0800, he assembles his unit at 0600 to assemble, drink ICED coffee, look at diagrams of the house,etc, tell a few jokes, take an on-duty coffee dump and hit the house.

Then they have a "debriefing"

By the time they are done with that,it is about 0900, so they start their regular shift for eight hours. That means they get three hours OT at time and a half.

His unit also probably tacks on the OT every time some idiot calls the mayor's office because he thinks somebody might be dealing dope on his street. Add on the times they come out late at night or early hours to steal peoples' garbage so they can find some roaches and use that to get search warrants....leading to more OT

Continued ...next post...
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#2 Feb 8, 2013
Now, Neocon is one of these "Tea Party" guys

The Neocons hate unions and they want all states to be "right to work" states. NO UNIONS

How much would Neocon make if the BPD had no union and NYS was a "right to work" state?

His base pay as a Lt with 30 years would be about $65,000. If he came out to work OT (even on short notice) he would be forced to "time adjust" which means he would be forced to go home early on a Tuesday or whatever to keep him under 85 hours on a 15 day pay cycle, so he would get no OT.

Even if he did get a little paid OT, it would not count toward his "Average Annual Compensation" because that amount would be calculated based on his base salary without OT

Neocon is a hypocrite. He wants everybody to be under the thumb of people like Paul Ryan except him

Neocon is enough to make a buzzard puke

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#3 Feb 8, 2013
You don't know me
You can't judge me

Besides, I took a $5000 cut in pay when I got this job. I would do it for free!

And like I said before.....you watch too much TV!
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#4 Feb 8, 2013
BFLO NEOCON wrote:
You don't know me
You can't judge me
Besides, I took a $5000 cut in pay when I got this job. I would do it for free!
And like I said before.....you watch too much TV!



I took a $2500 pay cut in 1981

For the past 32 years, I have lived in a different world than you have. I have lived in a "right to work" world

It's not a really bad world, but your world WAS better

I live in a better world than your's now because I "pulled the pin"

MAN, DOES THAT FEEL GOOD
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#5 Feb 8, 2013
That you tube link was a mistake and it had noting to do with this topic, but still it is a great clip

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#6 Feb 8, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qJKahA8B9RoXX
I took a $2500 pay cut in 1981
For the past 32 years, I have lived in a different world than you have. I have lived in a "right to work" world
It's not a really bad world, but your world WAS better
I live in a better world than your's now because I "pulled the pin"
MAN, DOES THAT FEEL GOOD
I started off in the private sector at $2.75 an hour which was a dime over minimum wage. When I left that job I took a $5k cut to become a cop. So it's pretty apparent I didn't do it for the money. And yes, it's a closed shop and I had no choice but to join the union. I was neither pro union nor anti union. They did their thing and I did mine. I have never attended a union meeting. I have delegates who I relied on to take care of business along with the union officers. The union's job was to bring our dept up to the standards of other depts. of similar size. Most of our contracts since I have been on were decided by binding arbitration. I can remember only one contract that required a vote. Whatever the results were I was satisfied. We have been without contract since 2007. We are behind almost every other Dept in the state in terms of salary and benefits. It doesn't phase me. I just charlie mike.

I know I would not want to start this job today. It's a totally different animal now. These new kids have no idea what the job was like in the days gone by. We had to buy every bit of our uniform and equipment including gun. The only things issued were a nightstick, a badge, and the wreath for our hats. There were no bulletproof vests, no cages in the cars, no portable radios, no MCTs in the cars, no computers or copy machines in the Stationhouses, no shotguns. The cars were all junk with old license plates covering holes in the floorboards. What we did have was camaraderie and fun. Word.

Maybe my world was better than your world in some ways but I am positive it wasn't in some other ways.

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#8 Feb 9, 2013
Lifeeeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhh wrote:
I was under the impression you were hired in the early 80s. They had cages in the cars back then. You also got a uniform allowence and after your first year gun and belt and uniforms you just had to replace shirts and pants the following years and keep the change for Christmas.
Did you know that in most "right to work" States it is illegal for public employee unions to bargain collectively?
You also get paid 4 hours OT for a 5 minute court appearance. Do you think you would get that in a right to work state? No. You would get off work at 0800....go back to court. For a 2pm trial...get sent home after a quick guilty plea or continuance and get paid for FIFTEEN MINUTES which they could make you "time adjust".
If you complained they would tell you "If you don't like it you can quit"
No. There were no cages in the late 1970s models when I started. But they came soon after in the 1980 models.

Our clothing allowance was $75.00 a year before taxes and was used to clean, maintain, and replace damaged uniforms and equipment. How long did you think that lasted? I probably spent close to that for batteries alone.

We get 4 hours of STRAIGHT time for a single court appearance, not OT. Court could be 5 minutes or 3.5 hours or longer if a trial is required. Depends on the proceedings involved and where your case falls on the docket. I probably average between 1-2 hours minimum every time I go to court.

Did you ever hear the term "collars for dollars"? If this was a right to work State there would be no incentive to make arrests because it wouldn't be worth it for 15 minutes pay. It costs more than that to park and gas up the car!
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#9 Feb 10, 2013
BFLO NEOCON wrote:
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No. There were no cages in the late 1970s models when I started. But they came soon after in the 1980 models.
Our clothing allowance was $75.00 a year before taxes and was used to clean, maintain, and replace damaged uniforms and equipment. How long did you think that lasted? I probably spent close to that for batteries alone.
We get 4 hours of STRAIGHT time for a single court appearance, not OT. Court could be 5 minutes or 3.5 hours or longer if a trial is required. Depends on the proceedings involved and where your case falls on the docket. I probably average between 1-2 hours minimum every time I go to court.
Did you ever hear the term "collars for dollars"? If this was a right to work State there would be no incentive to make arrests because it wouldn't be worth it for 15 minutes pay. It costs more than that to park and gas up the car!
BULL. I know an ex ECSD jail guard who got $750 per year in 1979. He made out because he didn't have to buy a gun, belt, hat, winter coat or LS shirts. Are you trying to tell me BPD's clothing allowance was less than that?

I grew up in Buffalo and I know for a fact they had cages in the cars back in the 70's. Fact is, from 1975 until 1981 I worked at several hospitals (Children's, Columbus and ECMC) where the cops were always in and out of the ER and they had cages. They didn't have the metal thing floor to ceiling with the sliding window, but they had that metal grates above the back seats.
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#10 Feb 10, 2013
OK. I take it back

I just texted a retired BPD. He said around the time you were hired he got $40 a year for cleaning and had to buy his own uniforms and equipment until around 1990

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#11 Feb 10, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
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BULL. I know an ex ECSD jail guard who got $750 per year in 1979. He made out because he didn't have to buy a gun, belt, hat, winter coat or LS shirts. Are you trying to tell me BPD's clothing allowance was less than that?
I grew up in Buffalo and I know for a fact they had cages in the cars back in the 70's. Fact is, from 1975 until 1981 I worked at several hospitals (Children's, Columbus and ECMC) where the cops were always in and out of the ER and they had cages. They didn't have the metal thing floor to ceiling with the sliding window, but they had that metal grates above the back seats.
Go to this link on you can clearly see some of the 70s vehicles without cages. When I started we still were using 1970s marked patrol units! You can tell what model year the car is by the first digit in the car number.
http://www.bpdthenandnow.com/vehiclespage02.h...
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#12 Feb 10, 2013
BFLO NEOCON wrote:
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Go to this link on you can clearly see some of the 70s vehicles without cages. When I started we still were using 1970s marked patrol units! You can tell what model year the car is by the first digit in the car number.
http://www.bpdthenandnow.com/vehiclespage02.h...
So, SOME of the older cars didn't have shields when you came on. And you had 2 man cars back then, so it was no big deal. The second cop could ride in the back and whack the prisoner if he got out of line.

So, how did you like the terrible turning radius on those early 80's Plymouths? Did you also like the way they vapor locked on hot days?

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#13 Feb 10, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
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So, SOME of the older cars didn't have shields when you came on. And you had 2 man cars back then, so it was no big deal. The second cop could ride in the back and whack the prisoner if he got out of line.
So, how did you like the terrible turning radius on those early 80's Plymouths? Did you also like the way they vapor locked on hot days?
I didn't say it was a problem, just stated the fact. The Dodge Diplomats weren't that bad. I remember back in the blizzard of '85 we tried pulling out a car stuck on Mills St. Bent the bumper straight out. The garage wasn't to happy about that because it was an almost brand new car.
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#14 Feb 10, 2013
BFLO NEOCON wrote:
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I didn't say it was a problem, just stated the fact. The Dodge Diplomats weren't that bad. I remember back in the blizzard of '85 we tried pulling out a car stuck on Mills St. Bent the bumper straight out. The garage wasn't to happy about that because it was an almost brand new car.
The 1982 Plymouth version (Gran Fury) had a terrible turning radius. On hot days if you would stomp on the gas pedal and you would get nothing. If you burped the gas cap and kept it loose. it would help some, but it was still unreliable. There wasn't much room in there, but it was set up so you could pull the seat belt/shoulder harness around the steering wheel and it lined up perfectly to be a hammock for your head at nap time.

Back around 2000, I bought a 1987 Gran Fury with about 125,000 on it for personal use for $800. They had fixed the vapor lock problem by then. I got another 80,000 out of that car.

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#15 Feb 10, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
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The 1982 Plymouth version (Gran Fury) had a terrible turning radius. On hot days if you would stomp on the gas pedal and you would get nothing. If you burped the gas cap and kept it loose. it would help some, but it was still unreliable. There wasn't much room in there, but it was set up so you could pull the seat belt/shoulder harness around the steering wheel and it lined up perfectly to be a hammock for your head at nap time.
Back around 2000, I bought a 1987 Gran Fury with about 125,000 on it for personal use for $800. They had fixed the vapor lock problem by then. I got another 80,000 out of that car.
First thing we did back in those days was cut out the restraint systems. They were dangerous especially with no cages. We aren't allowed to do that anymore because it screws up the computer system.
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#16 Feb 10, 2013
BFLO NEOCON wrote:
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First thing we did back in those days was cut out the restraint systems. They were dangerous especially with no cages. We aren't allowed to do that anymore because it screws up the computer system.
So, you think somebody might choke you with the seat belt? That's like the break-away tie, huh. I always wore a regular tie. I could fight better than I could run. I am experienced at fighting with a regular tie because I went to Catholic schools.

If you think a seatbelt will slow you down getting in and out of the car, go to a local car dealer's parts department and ask for a seat belt extender. Ford and GM don't charge. Chrysler charges about 30 bucks but you can mail in the receipt and get a refund.

This does two things. When the extender is inserted into the buckle end, it shuts up the warning bell. If you choose to wear your belt, the extender makes it so you don't have to dig your hand between the console and your gun to insert and release the buckle end, which can be challenging, especially if you are fat.

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#17 Feb 10, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
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So, you think somebody might choke you with the seat belt? That's like the break-away tie, huh. I always wore a regular tie. I could fight better than I could run. I am experienced at fighting with a regular tie because I went to Catholic schools.
If you think a seatbelt will slow you down getting in and out of the car, go to a local car dealer's parts department and ask for a seat belt extender. Ford and GM don't charge. Chrysler charges about 30 bucks but you can mail in the receipt and get a refund.
This does two things. When the extender is inserted into the buckle end, it shuts up the warning bell. If you choose to wear your belt, the extender makes it so you don't have to dig your hand between the console and your gun to insert and release the buckle end, which can be challenging, especially if you are fat.
My car now doesn't require any mods. I just don't belt up and the dash light goes on for a minute then off. No bells or buzzers to deal with.
Forum Gumshoe

Buffalo, NY

#18 Feb 21, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
Neocon has admitted he is a buffalo cop with almost 30 years "on the job". He is evasive about his rank and assignment. He says he gets alot of OT.
From his posts, I am guessing he is a front line supervisor (Lt) and he is assigned to a specialty unit like Narcotics or TPU (do they still have that?)
I would guess his base pay is about $70,000 and with OT, he is manipulating it into a $100,000 circus....
Dude, you pretty much nailed it!

Lieutenant: YES

Narcotics: YES

Base Pay: Approximately $73,000

Pay With Overtime: Approximately $128,000
Larry Mondello

Buffalo, NY

#19 Feb 21, 2013
BFLO NEOCON wrote:
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I didn't say it was a problem, just stated the fact. The Dodge Diplomats weren't that bad. I remember back in the blizzard of '85 we tried pulling out a car stuck on Mills St. Bent the bumper straight out. The garage wasn't to happy about that because it was an almost brand new car.
What kind of idiot would even attempt to pull a car with a chain or rope tied to the bumper? Oh Neocant would...that's who!
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#20 Feb 21, 2013
Forum Gumshoe wrote:
<quoted text>Dude, you pretty much nailed it!
Lieutenant: YES
Narcotics: YES
Base Pay: Approximately $73,000
Pay With Overtime: Approximately $128,000
I don't know him, but I know his type

Since: Feb 10

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#21 Feb 21, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
Neocon has admitted he is a buffalo cop with almost 30 years "on the job". He is evasive about his rank and assignment. He says he gets alot of OT.
From his posts, I am guessing he is a front line supervisor (Lt) and he is assigned to a specialty unit like Narcotics or TPU (do they still have that?)
I would guess his base pay is about $70,000 and with OT, he is manipulating it into a $100,000 circus. For example. If he knows there is going to be drug search warrant served at 0800, he assembles his unit at 0600 to assemble, drink ICED coffee, look at diagrams of the house,etc, tell a few jokes, take an on-duty coffee dump and hit the house.
Then they have a "debriefing"
By the time they are done with that,it is about 0900, so they start their regular shift for eight hours. That means they get three hours OT at time and a half.
His unit also probably tacks on the OT every time some idiot calls the mayor's office because he thinks somebody might be dealing dope on his street. Add on the times they come out late at night or early hours to steal peoples' garbage so they can find some roaches and use that to get search warrants....leading to more OT
Continued ...next post...
Life it doesn't matter what Neocon earns.
IF you and Him were paid what you were worth He would be making one heck of a lot more than you would.
Have a nice night

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