Several members of Operating Engineer...

Several members of Operating Engineers Local 17 out on bail

There are 23 comments on the WIVB Buffalo story from Apr 13, 2008, titled Several members of Operating Engineers Local 17 out on bail. In it, WIVB Buffalo reports that:

A dozen members of Operating Engineers Local 17 are charged with racketeering and extortion.

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A FORMER UNION LEADER

Buffalo, NY

#1 Apr 13, 2008
AS A FORMER UNION LEADER OF A VERY LARGE AFL / CIO UNION, I MUST ADRESS THIS ISSUE. LOCAL 17 HAS HAD A EXEMPLARY LEAD IN TRUE UNIONISM. THEY GET 80% PARTISIPATION AT MEETING' AND HAVE INDEED BEEN PRO- ACTIVE IN PROTECTING THEIR TRADE. I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN THEIR MEMBER'S RUN OVER BY $$$ DRIVEN NON- UNION WORKER'S. WHEN A NON- UNION VAN PASSE'S AN ON GOING LINE--- KICK IT TO THE FLOOR, BUST LEG'S AND BACK'S. THAT IS NOT MEDIA NEW'S-- JUST A BAD RAP FOR LOCAL 17. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE TRUE STORY SHALL PREVAIL.BEEN THERE , DONE THAT.
joey bag of donuts

Jamestown, NY

#2 Apr 14, 2008
These guy are thugs,they cost you the tax payer
millions.I pray everyone of them go to jail
michael sinatra

Jamestown, NY

#3 Apr 15, 2008
How dare these mooks,with there 40 dollar a hour jobs,driveing there gas guzzling chevy 1 tons,when we can't pay our car insurance.put them in jail,so they can try the peanut butter sandwiches the serve at the erie county holding center
philsdivot

Ann Arbor, MI

#4 Apr 15, 2008
May these Local 17 thugs join their union brothers (from Niagara Falls) in jail. No wonder union participation is DOWN throughout the country.

Free Enterprise
must be dumb

Niagara Falls, NY

#5 Apr 27, 2008
Wow, I didn't realize how little eduction it takes to become a union leader. Or maybe I'm stupid. I never knew that you were supposed to add an an apostrophe s to every noun ending in s or all pluralized nouns; I thought that was only for possession or contractions. DUH!
Also, seems like I've always been misspelling the word 'adress'; I've always spelled it 'address'.
Man... I wish I were smart enough to become a union leader, or even a "FORMER UNION LEADER".
A FORMER UNION LEADER wrote:
AS A FORMER UNION LEADER OF A VERY LARGE AFL / CIO UNION, I MUST ADRESS THIS ISSUE. LOCAL 17 HAS HAD A EXEMPLARY LEAD IN TRUE UNIONISM. THEY GET 80% PARTISIPATION AT MEETING' AND HAVE INDEED BEEN PRO- ACTIVE IN PROTECTING THEIR TRADE. I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN THEIR MEMBER'S RUN OVER BY $$$ DRIVEN NON- UNION WORKER'S. WHEN A NON- UNION VAN PASSE'S AN ON GOING LINE--- KICK IT TO THE FLOOR, BUST LEG'S AND BACK'S. THAT IS NOT MEDIA NEW'S-- JUST A BAD RAP FOR LOCAL 17. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE TRUE STORY SHALL PREVAIL.BEEN THERE , DONE THAT.
S B Resident

Buffalo, NY

#6 Apr 28, 2008
This is how unions operated in the old days and in the old days people made a living wage. Granted, union members generally make fair pay but participation is way down. Corporations are running this country into the ground and helping to erase the middle class. Local 17 stuck to the old ways and was able to secure jobs for their workers, good for them. You want something, you gotta take it.
Social Justice

White House, TN

#7 Apr 30, 2008
A FORMER UNION LEADER wrote:
AS A FORMER UNION LEADER OF A VERY LARGE AFL / CIO UNION, I MUST ADRESS THIS ISSUE. LOCAL 17 HAS HAD A EXEMPLARY LEAD IN TRUE UNIONISM. THEY GET 80% PARTISIPATION AT MEETING' AND HAVE INDEED BEEN PRO- ACTIVE IN PROTECTING THEIR TRADE. I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN THEIR MEMBER'S RUN OVER BY $$$ DRIVEN NON- UNION WORKER'S. WHEN A NON- UNION VAN PASSE'S AN ON GOING LINE--- KICK IT TO THE FLOOR, BUST LEG'S AND BACK'S. THAT IS NOT MEDIA NEW'S-- JUST A BAD RAP FOR LOCAL 17. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE TRUE STORY SHALL PREVAIL.BEEN THERE , DONE THAT.
The true story is that this local has been under investigation for 10 years. It is probably fair to say that more injustice occurred over these years than what is known. It is a "Bad Rap" these guys earned for themselves. If people are throwing themselves in front of a moving van, it is not a good thing. After all, these folks don't have a shared interest with the local. I believe that it is the approach and disregard for the law that is being scrutinized not their commitment or dedication to unionism. Our actions reflect on everything we do and effect the example we can have for a cause.
former member

Buffalo, NY

#8 Nov 4, 2009
They still did not learn. Now they are harssing a sick man in buffalo. The FBI should investagate them even now. As a group they are tough alone a little mouse
pekintom

Auburn, ME

#9 Nov 4, 2009
JEEZ is it anywonder the unions have little power today ?? MUGGING unions , Corrupt union leaders , Exorcism ,THEY did it to themselfs.Did anybody ever see a GOOD union that had no coruption ? NAHHH & never will
southside satch

Lancaster, NY

#11 Nov 5, 2009
To my knowledge, there have been no convictions...or have I missed something?
i4us

Henderson, NV

#13 Jan 24, 2011
michael sinatra wrote:
How dare these mooks,with there 40 dollar a hour jobs,driveing there gas guzzling chevy 1 tons,when we can't pay our car insurance.put them in jail,so they can try the peanut butter sandwiches the serve at the erie county holding center
Union members worked hard to get a fair ''living wage'' in America. All of the United States major construction jobs are union. These jobs are completed on time or ahead of schedule. They are performed safely. It's not my problem or the union's problem that you are a complete loser and can't afford your car insurance. You have never worked a hard days labor in your life, mommy & daddy probably spoon-fed you since you were a baby. I'll bet you work a dead-end job or you are on public assistance, but I'll bet you would be the first one to sign up with the union if they offered you a job. You don't sound like construction material to me , you're not smart enough to be a union worker, that's why you are jelous of unions and their workers. By the way, tough guy, I love driving my Hummer. My family and I are safe in a large truck and it's my right as a U.S. citizen to buy and drive what I wish. Americans love large SUV's and trucks---- do the research. As for the men of Local 17 that were charged with these crimes, I can only say that I think these charges are bullshit. They are the guys that are out there trying to protect the worken man.
hillbilly

Buffalo, NY

#14 Sep 23, 2011
Unions need to go! I've worked both union and non-union jobs and seen the difference. On a union job you get paid (vastly) more to do less. Once worked a house rebuild next to a union crew, same conditions and we were done and moving on while they were still tearing down. A buddy used to install carpet, he loved working state jobs. Why? They must be paid union rate which more than doubled his already substantial pay to the tune of 43.00 bucks a hour! His boss would show up just to get supervisor pay, 75.00 bucks a hour! Wonder why the state is broke? To top it off if your not union to them your sh$# help the working man? Bull they would rather see a job set idle than let a non union guy support his family! We have all heard the stories, they are thugs looking to line their pockets at everybody else's expense. I've seen a union crew install phone line, it took 4 guys to do a 2 man job, including a union rep to stand by in his street clothes and smoke and joke! Bah!
Jay B

United States

#15 Jan 12, 2012
Layoff the unions, their leaders aren't thugs. Their negotiations are responsible for blue collar workers to be middle class, support their families and contribute back into our local economies . The actions of a few does is not the norm. Most union leaders use negotiation not intimidation tactics to collectively bargain agreements to benefit their members as well as the community. The only people that complain are the outside "haters" that aren't making the money or employers that wish to run their workers ragged for half the pay. A stable economy needs good paying jobs for both white and blue collar workers.
stupid people

Buffalo, NY

#16 Jan 12, 2012
hillbilly wrote:
Unions need to go! I've worked both union and non-union jobs and seen the difference. On a union job you get paid (vastly) more to do less. Once worked a house rebuild next to a union crew, same conditions and we were done and moving on while they were still tearing down. A buddy used to install carpet, he loved working state jobs. Why? They must be paid union rate which more than doubled his already substantial pay to the tune of 43.00 bucks a hour! His boss would show up just to get supervisor pay, 75.00 bucks a hour! Wonder why the state is broke? To top it off if your not union to them your sh$# help the working man? Bull they would rather see a job set idle than let a non union guy support his family! We have all heard the stories, they are thugs looking to line their pockets at everybody else's expense. I've seen a union crew install phone line, it took 4 guys to do a 2 man job, including a union rep to stand by in his street clothes and smoke and joke! Bah!
You ARE a hillbilly. Your working for less than half pay because you can be replaced by any other nitwit. On payday the boss tells you not to let anyone else know how much your making, cause your making the most. Well guess what genius, he tells everyone that, and he's payin you the least.
jcc

Buffalo, NY

#17 Jan 17, 2012
Jay B wrote:
Layoff the unions, their leaders aren't thugs. Their negotiations are responsible for blue collar workers to be middle class, support their families and contribute back into our local economies . The actions of a few does is not the norm. Most union leaders use negotiation not intimidation tactics to collectively bargain agreements to benefit their members as well as the community. The only people that complain are the outside "haters" that aren't making the money or employers that wish to run their workers ragged for half the pay. A stable economy needs good paying jobs for both white and blue collar workers.
your a f...in idiot... you know nothing about unions... the employers have to pay that high wage to its employees and if you think for one min that they sit back and let pay their workers for doing nothing...like i said your a f...in idiot!!!!
jcc

Buffalo, NY

#18 Jan 17, 2012
stupid people wrote:
<quoted text> You ARE a hillbilly. Your working for less than half pay because you can be replaced by any other nitwit. On payday the boss tells you not to let anyone else know how much your making, cause your making the most. Well guess what genius, he tells everyone that, and he's payin you the least.
i posted in the wrong post sorry... i agree with you 100%.. the first comment was aimed at (HILLBILLY)

Since: Aug 10

Hollis Center, ME

#19 Jan 19, 2012
philsdivot wrote:
May these Local 17 thugs join their union brothers (from Niagara Falls) in jail. No wonder union participation is DOWN throughout the country.
Free Enterprise
What are yous talkin about? yous bedder be karful what yous say. Dere aint never ben no currupshon in da falls by goobahs?

We anit no wossies like dem guys at da 210 who always git busted. Dat fino and falzone tipes wouldnt stand a chance here pizano.
wny worker

Buffalo, NY

#20 Jan 20, 2012
Ok, let's take a look at what's really going on here. These individuals are responsible for raising the standard of living for all workers, whether union or not.(That is proven). Did a couple do things that they shouldn't have? Yes, and they have admitted to it and are taking their punishment. The others are victims of over zealous prosecutors. It should be noted that these individuals, after being indicted, were put right to work in the field by local contractors,(with whom they had fought tooth and nail over the last 20 years for wages and conditions). And, after they are acquitted, they will still have hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees to spend the rest of their lives paying off. All WNY workers owe them a dept of gratitude for their years of dedication and hard work, but most will never realize it...
LongBoomJockey

United States

#21 May 8, 2013
I was there, for all of it. Twelve people indicted, seven of those are utter bullshit and fluff. But hey, it's selling newspapers. The two that should honestly be twisting in the wind are not part of the indictments now. Why ? Because they sold their brothers down the river like the stool pigeons that they are. A plea is a plea, you two aren't getting a second bite at the apple.
M in vegas

United States

#22 May 8, 2013
I heard some guy say he erected a house next to a union crew in half the time . WhAt a genius this f guy is . I'm union out west and that idiot didn't realize he has half the safety to insure he doesn't get hurt , half the wage to fall back on of he did and sh#% benefits that he pays for that have joke coverage . If he dies tomorrow his wife and kid will have nothing . Glad he finished that job so fast and cheap . scab

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