Why are there no jobs in Hackettstown?

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Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#1 Aug 24, 2009
It seems like a few companies move here, but they won't hire anyone that lives here.
It just seems like a very inefficient way to run a business IMHO. But I guess it's like that everywhere...inefficient.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#2 Apr 7, 2010
Ok so I got a job, now here's how screwed up this job was:

The Cablevision contract to run about 5 miles of fiber optic cable was in a very affluent conservative neighborhood in Saddle River Bergen County. This neighborhood has homes that are valued at anywhere between $5-30 million.

2 sub-contractors got the job and I got hired by one of them. The job should take 2 weeks to complete.

After about a week we learned why we were being paid so little by the contractor; he has to pay the cops to direct traffic there at $600 per cop per day, times 3 cops per day.

In 2 weeks the cops will have made $18,000.
The 2 crews of sub-contractors will split $10,000.
Never mind that the sub-contractors could have hired flaggers (people who don't have a job) at $100 day.

My boss quit upon learning this because he had better contracts in other states to go to that paid a decent price for work.
He also told me in the 30 years of doing this type of work he had never had a contract as bad as this.
Plus, since he left, I doubt he'll be paid for the work he did, or pay me.
Saddle River in effect got the work for free.

You'd think that working in a such a rich neighborhood would pay better, but no. Only to hired guns *not* doing the actual work.

Obviously all the parties involved in making this contract are conservatives.
Cablevision should have told the local government that they can without fiber optic cable for making such unreasonable demands.

As far as I'm concerned the Federal government can levy a special 110% tax on Bergen County indefinitely and have my complete support.
Anna Catherine

Fort Lee, NJ

#3 Apr 16, 2010
Just wondering Terry. Were you hired by what turned out to be a "small business" as opposed to a large company such as Cablevision itself? I have my own thoughts on the current push for small businesses. Anyone with fewer than 50 employees is not subject to the rules that govern the big companies. I think that's a big part of the problem.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#4 Apr 16, 2010
Anna Catherine wrote:
Just wondering Terry. Were you hired by what turned out to be a "small business" as opposed to a large company such as Cablevision itself? I have my own thoughts on the current push for small businesses. Anyone with fewer than 50 employees is not subject to the rules that govern the big companies. I think that's a big part of the problem.
Yes, small business. His business is installing cables on telephone poles, and even the poles themselves if needed.
At the time he had just 3 employees because that's all the contract needed. But it fluctuates on the contract.

The part that really gets me is how the township cuts a contract with Cablevision to pay the police almost twice what the sub-contractors made for doing nothing more than directing traffic, of which the sub-contractors could have hired people without jobs to do that for far less money.
Plus the sub-contractors are using heavy trucks that eat up a lot of gas, have to supply million$ of insurance protection, and bring many years of experience to the task.

I have nothing against police, but the idea that they can moonlight as hired guns using official uniforms is debatable.

So people are left wondering why there's no high-speed fiber optic cables in their area...well, that's why. The sub-contractor losses money and it isn't worth it to him to do it when the township has to be paid off first or no work gets done. Never mind the extra cost consumers will pay for the inflated costs.

What a racket.
And this in a very wealthy township that could easily afford to do it in a fair way, but choose instead to gouge the workers and give it to hired guns instead.

Police state township? Yeah, they have one.
Fishhead

United States

#5 Apr 23, 2010
Although it may be the case that the police are making $600 a day, in most cases it is the town that is making the money. In most cases workman's compensation and insurance comes out of that money. In most towns the "hired guns" aren't making their overtime rate. It is actually a contractual rate in which fixed costs are paid such as workman's comp, vehicle maintenance, etc. So the actual "hired guns" aren't bringing home that pay. Most towns turn a profit off of contractors in which keeps taxes lower for their residents. For instance, JCP&L hires a private company to direct traffic instead of police officers. They pay the company $75/hr and then the company pays the flag people $11/hr.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#6 Apr 23, 2010
Fishhead wrote:
Although it may be the case that the police are making $600 a day, in most cases it is the town that is making the money. In most cases workman's compensation and insurance comes out of that money. In most towns the "hired guns" aren't making their overtime rate. It is actually a contractual rate in which fixed costs are paid such as workman's comp, vehicle maintenance, etc. So the actual "hired guns" aren't bringing home that pay. Most towns turn a profit off of contractors in which keeps taxes lower for their residents. For instance, JCP&L hires a private company to direct traffic instead of police officers. They pay the company $75/hr and then the company pays the flag people $11/hr.
I understand that, but those police are already paid to do a job, and part of that job is directing traffic when needed.
What the town did was to give the police what amounts to OT at the expense of the contractor and not the taxpaying residents.

This in no way effects what tax rates the residents will pay anyway. If it's indeed contractual, the town has already budgeted the money to do that.

Again, the police made almost twice the amount of money the sub-contractors did, and didn't do the work involved in running the lines.

The sub-contractor has the ability to hire his own flaggers and does so on a regular basis.

As far as I'm concerned, the police can run the lines themselves if they're that important and let the taxpayers flip that bill instead.
But rest assured that's going to be one hell of a bill.

The JCP&L thing...
more evidence of over-priced-do-nothing scams and government picking winners and losers based on criteria they set.

Free market capitalism has turned into nothing but a government run criminal capitalism enterprise run by both parties.

Republicans run the energy sector.
While Democrats run the financial sector.
And between those 2 criminal organizations, no one gets prosecuted, but everyone else gets run through the wringer.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#7 Apr 25, 2010
Fishhead wrote:
Although it may be the case that the police are making $600 a day, in most cases it is the town that is making the money. In most cases workman's compensation and insurance comes out of that money. In most towns the "hired guns" aren't making their overtime rate. It is actually a contractual rate in which fixed costs are paid such as workman's comp, vehicle maintenance, etc. So the actual "hired guns" aren't bringing home that pay.
Just some other comments on that...
yes, the police were making $300. a day, the other $300 was for the car and other expenses.
The township told the contractor that this wasn't considered OT, or regular time...so I have no idea what kind of time it was considered...possibly a good time?

I don't care how you cut it, there is absolutely no way that the police and township should be making twice the money what the sub-contractors made.
Nor do I think it's right how Cablevision could even consider making such a contract like that.
Face

Hackettstown, NJ

#8 Apr 29, 2010
Hackettstown has no jobs because the town sucks.
unions

Hackettstown, NJ

#9 Sep 7, 2010
the police make the money because they are union that is what the liberal democrats slobber over but yet this knocklehead wants to blame the Republicans.
no wonder they can't get a job.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#10 Sep 7, 2010
unions wrote:
the police make the money because they are union that is what the liberal democrats slobber over but yet this knocklehead wants to blame the Republicans.
no wonder they can't get a job.
If you don't think Republicans are every bit as bad as Democrats....you ain't paying attention.
unions

Hackettstown, NJ

#11 Sep 8, 2010
I know I do better when Republicans are in charge and Demoraps make me vomit.
unions

Hackettstown, NJ

#12 Sep 8, 2010
Terry said:

"Obviously all the parties involved in making this contract are conservatives."

how is it obvious?
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#13 Sep 16, 2010
unions wrote:
Terry said:
"Obviously all the parties involved in making this contract are conservatives."
how is it obvious?
Only because it took place in a very affluent conservative county that set the rules under which a contractor could work (or not work) there.

But your point is valid; it's not that obvious...crooks always strive not to be.
wheezy

Towaco, NJ

#14 Oct 31, 2010
Face wrote:
Hackettstown has no jobs because the town sucks.
HA! That's pretty funny. This is coming from someone who lives in Jersey City...

Tell all of the people who live around you to stop moving out here. We don't want them.
MrDoughnut

AOL

#15 Jan 3, 2013
wheezy wrote:
<quoted text>
HA! That's pretty funny. This is coming from someone who lives in Jersey City...
Tell all of the people who live around you to stop moving out here. We don't want them.
Since when is Union NJ located in Jersey City New Jersey?
MrDoughnut

AOL

#16 Jan 3, 2013
Face wrote:
Hackettstown has no jobs because the town sucks.
I haven't heard if M&M mars was hiring in quite a while. The power supply maker TDI has outsourced a lot of jobs since 2001 so there are no jobs unless your a really good Electronics Engineer. Ever since NAFTA and the China trade deals we have lost millions of good jobs some of which use to train new workers!

Looks like there are no jobs!
MrDoughnut

AOL

#17 Jan 3, 2013
Terry wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't think Republicans are every bit as bad as Democrats....you ain't paying attention.
Very observant there Terry a few good clues would be who signed NAFTA, who approved China Favorite Status, and who sat on the board of WMT? Two different parties yet their all connected in this mess!

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