Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74670 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
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It is ironic that the Torah, which introduced to the world the concept of the sanctity of life -- is now criticized as being "cruel"
By repeatedly demanding blood sacrifices, killing of apostates, bashing babies to death against rocks, stoning to death disobedient sons and calling for genocides, how can this so-called G-d of the Torah be said to have taught his people the sanctity of life?

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#74671 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Really?
I thought the G-d of the Tanach was an omnipotent being and so despite being all-powerful why did he behave like an ordinary criminal by repeatedly ordering killings, wars and brutalities, when, on the contrary, by using his omnipotence, he could have simply infused the inimical persons with a jot of his supreme power and instantly transformed them into pacifists and supporters of the Hebrews without speaking a harsh word or spilling a drop of blood?
You left out free will. Try again.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74672 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
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There is only 1. All others are false.Get it?
Only 1?

Which is it?

How do you know it is 1 or 50 or 500 or none?

What is the basis of declaring the other Gods false?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74673 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
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You left out free will. Try again.
Free will where bashing innocent babies against rocks, cannibalizing one's own tender kids, stoning to death apostates and stoning disobedient sons? LMAO

BTW, what do you know about the will? Is it really free? Why? How many kinds of will exist, if at all? what is the will?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74674 Jun 24, 2014
Did the victims of blood sacrifices (as demanded by this so-called G-d) have any choice in the matter? LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74675 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
Do not eat the limb of an animal before it is killed.
LOL

But, you're permitted to cut the throat of the animal and see it painfully bleed to death and then cut off its limb?

How sadistic.

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#74676 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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By repeatedly demanding blood sacrifices, killing of apostates, bashing babies to death against rocks, stoning to death disobedient sons and calling for genocides, how can this so-called G-d of the Torah be said to have taught his people the sanctity of life?
You are merely repeating yourself now without grasping any of the biblical conflict concepts already given to you.

If you would like to know what the Master of the Universe was thinking, you could try to ask him or spend a lifetime studying the Torah and the Talmud.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74677 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.
So, in those days, if a Hebrew turned apostate, he would be tried by this "just" court based on Jewish law and be stoned to death!

Is there any respect for free will?

What kind of justice is this?

Barbarism personified.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74678 Jun 24, 2014
Another fanatical vermin with the IQ of an ass. LOL.

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#74679 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Did the victims of blood sacrifices (as demanded by this so-called G-d) have any choice in the matter? LOL.
link please

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#74680 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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So, in those days, if a Hebrew turned apostate, he would be tried by this "just" court based on Jewish law and be stoned to death!
Is there any respect for free will?
What kind of justice is this?
Barbarism personified.
He'd be invited to leave

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#74681 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Another fanatical vermin with the IQ of an ass. LOL.
projecting

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#74683 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
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projecting
in another few hours Apu (my name for Joel) will run out of his stock replies and revert to reruns.
JOEL

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#74684 Jun 24, 2014
The fanatical ass is online. LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74685 Jun 24, 2014
IS THE ABSOLUTE REALLY UNKNOWABLE?

1) The absolute consciousness with its innate pure energy (which exists as a dual movement of 2 co-existent phases of its pure potentiality which are the manifest cosmic phase and the unmanifest transcendent phase) is said to be "unknowable" but this is only true with respect to the ordinary consciousness that dominates the human being.

2) Once, the psychic awakening under yogic discipline takes place and the awakened psychic emerges, from its station in the body behind the mental, vital and physical planes, and begins ascending in consciousness from plane to plane, the first 7 of which are in the body with the rest lying above the head, then, the degree of unknowability of the absolute keeps reducing in proportion to the plane of consciousness that the psychic has ascended to and once the psychic merges with the supramental planes (13th to 16th planes) the first light of the true nature of the absolute begins to make itself known to the psychic merged in the supramental planes.

3) As the psychic ascends beyond the supramental realms the degree of unknowability of the true nature of the absolute begins to rapidly fade and as such the the true nature of the absolute appears closer and closer to the ascending psychic until the whole truth of the absolute is laid bare to the psychic once it unites with the self atop the 21st cosmic plane.
never ending

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#74686 Jun 24, 2014
you boys still at it. Look forward to the future!:-)
sick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#74687 Jun 24, 2014
what kind of sick dude would support evil actions?
still at it

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#74688 Jun 24, 2014
I see you boys are still at it. Wonder why peace talks don't work. :-)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#74689 Jun 24, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles---Nowhere in my text does it say that the negative commandments are particular to certain geographies. However, it is fair to interpret.
HughBe--- Did I say otherwise? So don't floc your neighbour's wife is it limited to geography?
Frijoles---Thats the point. You make ASSUMPTIONS.
HughBe--- Specify the assumptions. Explain, did I say otherwise.
Frijoles---So, the question, is why can YOU make assumptions, but you will not respect the assumptions of others (such as the rabbis of the Talmudic period).
HughBe--- I have made NO assumptions. It is difficult for an honest person like me to respect blatant dishonesty. It is also difficult for a person like me who God Himself has blessed with wisdom and good sense to think much of the nonsensical doctrines of men like your masters.
Frijoles---Who made you the lord only?
HughBe--- I don't know about the ONLY part.
Frijoles---We are making baby steps, here.
HughBe--- Indeed, you are always making baby steps. I look forward to the day when your steps become that of an adult.
Well, to start, you are making an assumption that some commandments are limited by geography and some are not.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#74690 Jun 24, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles---Sorry I dont do bastardized translations in English.
HughBe--- Is that what you are calling the English translation done by your rabbis or masters at Chabad?
Your rabbis BASTARDIZED translation is below, explain the words and tell me where the firstborn should go for sacrifices, offerings, tithes etc.
Hint: Is it America, land of Reuben, land of Issachar, land of Dan, land of Manasseh or is "THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and COME there."
Where is the PLACE that the Lord CHOSE?
What does COME THERE mean?
Deuteronomy 12
"These are the statutes and ordinances that you shall keep to perform in the land which the Lord God of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth........TO THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and come there. And THERE you shall BRING your burnt OFFERINGS, and your SACRIFICES, and your TITHES, and the separation by your hand, and your VOWS and your DONATIONS, and the FIRSTBORN of your CATTLE and of your sheep And THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice in all your endeavors you and your households, as the Lord, your God, has blessed you."
Frijoles----Hows that wave offering doing?
HUghBe--- Based on the texts above from the Complete Jewish Bible you tell me where the wave offering ceremony would be performed. Is it in the PLACE where the Israelites were COMMANDED to GO TO?
Based on the passage above what is your misunderstanding of "THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord"? Where would they go to be BEFORE the Lord?
Have you given your wave offering to the priests?
Have they waved it BEFORE the Lord?
Does BEFORE the Lord mean in the land of Dan?
Finally, like Eric you are clueless as to what yo are asking and are both dim-witted idiots.
What is the actual Hebrew word for "priest" as used in those passages, and are they only from certain areas? What is the word root?

This is where your ignorance of the dialect that the text uses hangs you up.

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