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Jan 16, 2013
 
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As usual, you have created a caricature of what evolution actually says and pretend that you have shown it false. Sadly, all that you really do in such circumstances is demonstrate you ignorance of science.
The saddest part is that evolution and believe in a Deity are not mutually exclusive. The only thing that evolution proves is that a literal belief in the creation myths of Genesis are no longer realistic.
A straw man argument, for sure. And you are correct, the two are not mutually exclusive. I don't understand why the fundies like to paint themselves into a corner when there's no need to.

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#47126
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Frijoles wrote:
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not that there is anything wrong with that......
I am starting to think there is a least one person on this forum (maybe more) who did evolve from rocks given their reasoning abilities.
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You mean for exercising his right to free speech?
Wow!
Wouldn't that be assault and battery on our British guest?
Fighting words are not protected, that is not the words themselves but in the context of the conversation or statement.

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Kind of correct.
Geology and Earth Science and Paleoecology (and probably Genetics) have showed that the (details of) creation story is false.
Evolution doesnt really get directly into the details of the creation story, rather, it proposes another mechanism altogether, with evidence to support it.
Evolution is an example of a theory, not a scientific discipline. You are proposing a straw argument.
Only correct in that evolution doesn't touch on the topic of creation. Again, that is abiogenesis, a different branch of science.
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What do you care? You don't acknowledge the government, so what do the petty arguments in DC matter to you?
Because its always fun to show hypocrisy in government especially with the current liar in charge.

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Only correct in that evolution doesn't touch on the topic of creation. Again, that is abiogenesis, a different branch of science.
A theory is basicly the highest accolade in the field of science.
It does not get any higher.
Molecular evolution of f.i. the oldest common ancestor/concestor would touch upon abiogenesis. As well as life from rocks, as in google octalite.(How did cell walls develop.)
But the saillant characteristic of the scientific method, would be that a theory stands only untill someone can refute the findings.
Or proof them to be correct. e.g. Einsteins theory could only be proven when we had developed the capacity to bring atomic clocks in orbit. But it stays work in progress because someone might always come up with a different better fitting idea.

Same goes by the way mankind and it's god-idea. That changed so much that someone from the 4th century would not even recognize what f.i. modern christians are on about.

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Because its always fun to show hypocrisy in government especially with the current liar in charge.
Ah, so now we're getting somewhere. And all these crazy conspiracy theories you subscribe to? Also out of fun? Perhaps boredom?

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Only correct in that evolution doesn't touch on the topic of creation. Again, that is abiogenesis, a different branch of science.
the kind of correct was that there are other disciplines that do, either directly or indirectly.

the point being, that evolution is not a scientific discipline

I know you know this. This is for the benefit for the slower evoliving individuals on this forum.

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#47133
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evolving - not evoliving

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I am starting to think there is a least one person on this forum (maybe more) who did evolve from rocks given their reasoning abilities.
it would explain a lot, wouldnt it?
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Only correct in that evolution doesn't touch on the topic of creation. Again, that is abiogenesis, a different branch of science.
rabbee: a false religion, disguising itself as if with science. as a method of religious idolators, as a means to control you all without G-D. for true men of G-D, cannot be untruly controled by the dark side. this was tried in egypt, a very long time ago. so it tis nothing new, under the son.

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#47136
Jan 16, 2013
 
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evolving - not evoliving
It turns out that someone has already coined this term

http://www.nuvali.ph/about-us/evoliving/

EVOLIVING [é-vo-li-ving] is the vision of sustainability, the key to an improved quality of life that is distinctly NUVALI. Beginning with a revolution in our way of thinking, this vision is not just for today but for the years to come—a forward-looking mindset that embraces sustainability towards shaping our future.

NUVALI Evoliving
It all begins with a revolution in our way of thinking, a vision not just for today but for the years to come. A forward-looking mindset that embraces sustainability as key towards shaping our future. Nurturing the welfare of our environment is steadfastly linked to assuring a solid future for generations to come. Ultimately, it’s about what really matters to us—clean, fresh air, abundant greenery, safety and security, education, a good job, sound health. NUVALI seamlessly integrates family, work, and leisure, generating a diversity of spaces, activities, and communities—allowing people the means to live their full potential. A vibrant landscape springs forth, freely shared by all.

Converging nature, people, and technology in NUVALI, sustainability cultivates the dynamic relationship among the ecological, social, and economic webs of life.

Evoliving is the seamless weaving of life, nature and technology to secure a vibrant future, an observance of responsibility, harmony and diversity, enabling people to live the way they choose.

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Sounds like a plot to me

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Religion may not survive the Internet
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/religion_may_...

....A traditional religion, one built on “right belief,” requires a closed information system. That is why the Catholic Church put an official seal of approval on some ancient texts and banned or burned others. It is why some Bible-believing Christians are forbidden to marry nonbelievers. It is why Quiverfull moms home school their kids from carefully screened text books. It is why, when you get sucked into conversations with your fundamentalist uncle George from Florida, you sometimes wonder if he has some superpower that allows him to magically close down all avenues into his mind.(He does!)

Religions have spent eons honing defenses that keep outside information away from insiders. The innermost ring wall is a set of certainties and associated emotions like anxiety and disgust and righteous indignation that block curiosity. The outer wall is a set of behaviors aimed at insulating believers from contradictory evidence and from heretics who are potential transmitters of dangerous ideas. These behaviors range from memorizing sacred texts to wearing distinctive undergarments to killing infidels. Such defenses worked beautifully during humanity’s infancy. But they weren’t really designed for the current information age.

Tech-savvy mega-churches may have twitter missionaries, and Calvinist cuties may make viral videos about how Jesus worship isn’t a religion, it’s a relationship, but that doesn’t change the facts: the free flow of information is really, really bad for the product they are selling.....

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Ah, so now we're getting somewhere. And all these crazy conspiracy theories you subscribe to? Also out of fun? Perhaps boredom?
Please be more precise, i dont know of any crazy theories that i talk about.

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Frijoles wrote:
Religion may not survive the Internet
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/religion_may_...
....A traditional religion, one built on “right belief,” requires a closed information system. That is why the Catholic Church put an official seal of approval on some ancient texts and banned or burned others. It is why some Bible-believing Christians are forbidden to marry nonbelievers. It is why Quiverfull moms home school their kids from carefully screened text books. It is why, when you get sucked into conversations with your fundamentalist uncle George from Florida, you sometimes wonder if he has some superpower that allows him to magically close down all avenues into his mind.(He does!)
Religions have spent eons honing defenses that keep outside information away from insiders. The innermost ring wall is a set of certainties and associated emotions like anxiety and disgust and righteous indignation that block curiosity. The outer wall is a set of behaviors aimed at insulating believers from contradictory evidence and from heretics who are potential transmitters of dangerous ideas. These behaviors range from memorizing sacred texts to wearing distinctive undergarments to killing infidels. Such defenses worked beautifully during humanity’s infancy. But they weren’t really designed for the current information age.
Tech-savvy mega-churches may have twitter missionaries, and Calvinist cuties may make viral videos about how Jesus worship isn’t a religion, it’s a relationship, but that doesn’t change the facts: the free flow of information is really, really bad for the product they are selling.....
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Why do you disagree?

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Voluntarist wrote:
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Please be more precise, i dont know of any crazy theories that i talk about.
9/11
Oklahoma
Newtown and various other school shootings
New World Order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspira...

Take your pick. No shortage of crazy conspiracy theories.
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Willful ignorance on your part. I can lead a horse to water, but...
I do love it when you and others use big 50 dollar words, and the story of creation is just too simple.
Do you believe there is /may be a God that created all things, either by evolution, or the bible story of creation, or another way?

If so, how smart do you think this God would be?

Do you think the smartest men on earth would impress Him?

I also love the "straw man" deal. That usually is thrown out when someone is saying "I don't want to speak plain with you -I want to bamfoozal you with my great knowledge, and words.

Why do so many feel the need to paint with such a complex brush, when they don't have to.

Evolution-was the greatest thing ever to me.
(MICRO EVOLUTION)-WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE TO EVER BE SEEN.

I was a sin sick person, and thought I was horrible. I was, but turns out I was normal. I had done some bad things, worse then some, not near as bad.as others. I was sick of who.I had become -God woke me up, and when I finaly yeilded I was set free. Ever belief I held and core value was changed. I + God in me = a new creation. As spoke of in the bible. So I geuss I should learn that evolution is not all bad. I didn't care anything about God, before that night, but I'm learning that some want so bad to discredit Him, that they go to great lengths.
Darwin was one of these men. He did like part or all of what the bible said, so he went looking at bugs, and noticed some looked alittle different then others (wow)-it amazes me -how simple things have such an impact, if it is going in the dirrection people want it to go, they take that ball and run with it.
They.may even may convience themselves, that there is no God, but I will go to my grave knowing that there is.
I'm not so sure He is hung up on the details either. He loves the simple man, just as much as the smart man. If a person has "reached the age of accountability " (plus, some never reach this), tben they will know they have stepped over Gods line. He just wants them back. He is God. He honors His ways, and don't over ride our free will.
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you should know. you are probably the guy who picks the beans.
Yes this one guy picks all of the beans.

Let me ask you something, is there something degrading about picking beans?
Am I less of a person for doing so?

Do I deserve less respect because I pick beans?
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Nope. Not all of us are here because they are on a religious crusade. In fact, you can usually figure out quickly who isnt, we tend to be the rational ones.
Furthermore, the reason people keep coming back is more related to a desire to see themselves time and time again in print, than to care what the others really say, IMO
Can you focus on THAT message?
Frijoles---Furthermore, the reason people keep coming back is more related to a desire to see themselves time and time again in print, than to care what the others really say,

HughBe--- What PRINT are you talking about?

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