Mom insists vaccine caused son's autism

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BRIARCLIFF MANOR It's going to take a lot more than a federal court ruling to convince Lisa Rudley that vaccines don't cause autism.

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Well, if it takes self-delusion for her to get through life, I guess that's what it takes.
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It may be the so-called professionals that may be self-delusional?

There are many more discoveries to be made before we through in the towl.

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Autism isn't uncontrollable crying, arching of the back and the severe diarrhea. People can insist all day long but as log as there isn't the science to prove one way or another, all it is- is some mom insisting which get's us no where.
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Whether it is the vaccine or not that caused the autism, parents should have the right to refuse childhood immunizations. We do not live in a fascist nation but try to get your child into a public school without those oh so important childhood vaccinations which likely cause more misery and suffering even without autism that they prevent the diseases they were intended for.

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Autismx2parent wrote:
Whether it is the vaccine or not that caused the autism, parents should have the right to refuse childhood immunizations. We do not live in a fascist nation but try to get your child into a public school without those oh so important childhood vaccinations which likely cause more misery and suffering even without autism that they prevent the diseases they were intended for.
You DO realize that, for the first time in years, children in this country are DYING of diseases that they COULD have received safe immunizations against because some parents are unwilling to accept FACTS, right?

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Ever hear of waivers? Do you know what NY has for Exemptions? Most states, yea, you had a choice and if you didn't use it, blame no one else.
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Whether it is the vaccine or not that caused the autism, parents should have the right to refuse childhood immunizations. We do not live in a fascist nation but try to get your child into a public school without those oh so important childhood vaccinations which likely cause more misery and suffering even without autism that they prevent the diseases they were intended for.
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"You DO realize that, for the first time in years, children in this country are DYING of diseases that they COULD have received safe immunizations against because some parents are unwilling to accept FACTS, right?"

One person medicine is another persons poison.

You may be surprised to hear that some people have allergies, even to vaccine ingredients.

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If some people have allergies to peanuts, does that mean we should assume every person would have that same allergy? Would the allergy only pertain to peanuts or just any old nut?? Should we campaign for a greener peanut/ nuts? Tell all parents in case your child has the same allergies as my child has, totally ban peanuts/ nuts from your house, grocery stores even if other's don't have the allergies?

One persons peanut could also be another persons poison.

With vaccines, it really wouldn't be an allergic reaction as it would be an auto immune response that would be pre existing that if introduced to the full version of the virus, may result in death.
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Feb 27, 2009
 
I would like some opinions and advice on what I should do. Here is a short version of my dilema:

My son is 5 and will be starting kindergarten this fall. The last time he received any vaccines was when he was 3mos old, after which I saw some concerning behavior and decided not to vaccinate since. He was falling behind in his milestones so I had him evaluated at 8 mos. He passed fine, but they offered me speech therapy-I accepted for a few sessions. At this point he is just fine and all those worries have passed, but now I don't know where I stand on vaccination. On one hand I want to get him vaccinated in order to prevent any possible illness, but on the other hand I am not convinced vaccines are safe. What if I do vaccinate and damage him in some way? What if I don't?
Also, if I do decide not to vaccinate, will I have problems with school registration being that he has received some vaccines? If I do decide to vaccinate, what is the safest way to go about it?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Preppy~ autism and vaccines, rarely do you ever hear the pre Kindergarten vaccines ever causing anything however all vaccines have always had risk of side effects. This truly is something you have to decide for yourself. You need to look up your state and what waivers they accept. You have to have a waiver or vaccine records or you will have problems with enrollment to school.

What my sister did, not related to autism at all but due to not having insurance, she did not vaccinate him. At age 4 she started his catch up vaccines so he'd be ready for Kindergarten.

My personal view of vaccines is all of them can have a risk of side effects to begin with. My son showed signs of autism prior to any vaccines. Now, autism and the chicken pox can be a horrible combination. But since some people get the chicken pox more than once, the vaccine may not help at all but maybe it would for him. I personally wish there was a vaccine to prevent head lice. If there was, I'd get it. A kid can be as healthy as can be, send them to school they're sick all the time from spreading germs.
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Thanks for your input, Friend.

I am still not sure what I am going to do...I'm thinking hard, reading as much as I can on the subject, and asking for opinions from those that have some insight on the subject...
Wish it was a non issue..

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See if you can get your doctor to test for immune disorders first, and see if he has any built up immunities to what they vaccinate for.

Every one has an opinion on vaccines, either they're for them or they're against them. No one will have the right answer for 'you'.

My opinion for myself is I don't know what causes autism or how to prevent it. My sons autiam is not related to vaccines. Because my mom contracted a childhood illness when hse was little that they do have a vaccine for, the side effect for her was damaged heart valves however all her adult life until the Bird Flu, she was more afraid of vaccine than the illness itself even though she has severe heart valve issues. Now she's more afraid of the Bird Flu than she is if there's ever a vaccine for it.

Making choices right down to an antibiotic is hard these days. Chicken pox was miserable for me. I myself couldn't look my child in his little eyes knowing I had a choice to prevent something, and because of his autism behaviors, it puts him at a higher risk of finding any germ known to man.
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"Every one has an opinion on vaccines, either they're for them or they're against them. No one will have the right answer for 'you'."

Unless you are allergic to the contents...

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Most are not allergic.
MAJOR Mal wrote:
"Every one has an opinion on vaccines, either they're for them or they're against them. No one will have the right answer for 'you'."
Unless you are allergic to the contents...
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Go to youtube and type in "alex jones vaccines"
Their are many interview's with DRs e.t.c.

My 3yo had his shots but i may not give him anymore after this research.
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"Well, if it takes self-delusion for her to get through life, I guess that's what it takes."
Now here is a response from a person who hasn't studied the issue of autism/vaccinations! The evidence for a link is incredible, but you wouldn't know it from either this person's ignorant comments or the mass of evidence on the subject.
The best place to start is on the subject of thinking! How to think properly!(Go to: http://tompetrie.net/id14.html ) How to analyze evidence objectively! How to determine the agenda of those behind assertions that vaccines do NOT cause autism. Finally, we must recall the principle of "Oscam's Razor" which states the following: "The most likely cause of a particular outcome is the most logical." If 30,000 children in one clinic in Chicago have NO autism, wouldn't you want to investigate? If 35,000 children in Pennsylvania have NO autism (other than two that were NOT native born, and previously vaccinated before they were adopted by Amish parents), wouldn't you want to know why? Nope! The media and public health officials are so NOT interested in learning the truth, the clinic in Chicago hasn't even been contacted by public health officials. My daughter was home-schooled for three years so she would not have to be vaccinated. Forget the numbers, they like to use (and the so-called 14 studies that suppositely prove no link between vaccinations and autism--easily disproven...go to: http://fourteenstudies.org/index.html ), if NO children with autism is a child that has never been vaccinated, well you've thrown your theory out the window. In addition, if every case is a case that has received vaccinations, one needs to look objectively at this. This has not been done.
Common sense tells us that vaccinations can cause autism. Those who claim otherwise don't understand the power of public relations or the corrupt media. For more on this topic, read this book: "Trust us, we're experts."
There is a link--a huge link, but you must be open-minded to see it. By the way, why has autism increased to about 1 in 100 American children over the past few years and why is the MOST vaccinated country in the world the one with the most cases of autism? Why is it that after ONE death of someone from Ma Huang (the pitcher from Florida), the safe herb is removed from the market, but it took 60,000 deaths from Vioxx to see THIS drug removed from the market? See a little hypocrasy here? It's the same hypocracy that exists regarding the vaccine/autism link. For more on this, go to this documentary, by Gary Null, Ph.D.: Vaccine Nation.
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Regarding the comments of friend: "Every one has an opinion on vaccines, either they're for them or they're against them. No one will have the right answer for 'you'."

Unless you are allergic to the contents..."

Well, actually, this comment is wrong for a simple reason: The contents of vaccines are some of the most neurotoxic compounds known to man including as they do mercury, aluminum, and many other poisonous compounds. This is not an issue of allergies or sensitivity. Poisons are poisons, so the question of allergies is wrong.

Folks are not against vaccines because of a possible allergy to the contents but because there are a number of other (AND BETTER) ways to enhance one's immune system. Here are a few:
1. Fruits
2. Vegetables, esp, dark greens
3. Whole grains like buckwheat, quinoa, amaranth, spelt, oats, kamut, rye, millet, brown rice
4. Beans and legumes
5. Squashes
6. Avoiding white sugar, corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup since these depress the immune system about 50 percent after only 20 minutes.
7. Vitamin D from sunshine will dramatically enhance your immune system and help to prevent illness ( http://tompetrie.net/id8.html )
8. Vitamin C will dramatically enhance your immune system, especially if taken correctly and at the first sign of any immune system challenge.
9. Avoiding genetically modified foods
10. Avoiding pesticides and insecticides (yes, this means eating organically grown foods).

Yes everyone has an opinion and there are two opinions: informed and not informed: EVERY parent with an autistic child is a parent that was mis-informed, most likely by his or her doctor! This is why I home-schooled my daughter for 3 years so we would NOT take the chance that vaccines would harm her.

As the saying goes: "Question Authority." They're often wrong. They're wrong about fluoridation ( http://tompetrie.net/id6.html ) and they're wrong about vaccinations. Believe authority at your (or your child's or children's) peril. You won't have such challenges if your child receives NO vaccinations, and eats a super-healthy diet, that's for sure!

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Tom--Nutritition ist~ sorry, common sense doesn't go far when it comes to autism and vaccines. You need scientific evidence. That Amish wasn't really a study, either. We're also not talking about Vioxx, which isn't the only drug to be recalled in history. Vaccines no longer contain Thimerosal (mercury) and looking at plain numbers, removing it did nothing for the on-going autism rates. As for that aluminum, which is aluminum salts, that has been in vaccines even longer than Thimerosal ever was. So just looking at the numbers and using common sense, one would wonder about autism and side effects over the many years vaccines have been in use?

As for diet and the immune system, people will be sadly mistaken if they were to believe that's all that's needed. I'm sure those in the present day UK have a fairly good diet yet they are plagued with out breaks over there. Air borne virus doesn't care how you eat, if that were the case you'd never get the common cold!

"EVERY parent with an autistic child is a parent that was mis-informed, most likely by his or her doctor!"
Wanna bet? If a parent didn't know their own rights to a waiver, that is no ones fault but their own. They have to deal with that, not blame a doctor. It's surprising and annoying how very few parents take responsibility for their own choices. Every parent should also look at every medication their child is given, including OTC products. Even then, every child with autism can not be related to vaccines. I've been dealing with the vaccine issue for 30 years, many years prior to my son's birth and on a informed choice I chose vaccines for him however vaccines DID NOT cause his autism. I suppose you haven't seen the latest gene studies??

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Oh, and by the way, people who eat all that healthy stuff you have above up there and avoid things still get cancer, still have heart attacks and strokes. They still get the flu and the measles.
The only prevention is not being exposed to some one with it and wash hands.
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This guy named Friend: is a real Imbecile.

He acts as he is the science. He has tested vaccins globally on kids.

If there was one mom saying vaccins caused autism, you say ok a coincidence. But when there is thousands and thousands you start to wonder regardless of their science.

So Friend: Shut your trap.

If your are so scientific and you back up science then search Clonazepam and Vioox. Clonazepam is a stimulant and the company shares when from 10 $ to 80 $. A recent study double blind placebo confirmed this drug is useless. So where is this science that put these products on the market.

Friend: For last time keep your posts to yourselves and stop spreading your ignorant opinions. Go complete your elemenatry school.

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