Lawsuit challenges state's tactics for collecting child support

[jeff]

our State A.G. offices are using our kids child support to get rich Yes they our stealling from our kids . Support is not only financail but ask you A.G to enforce visitation They can"t do that Oh they can , but theres no money so they won't Theifs they will rott in hell some day And that my freind will be IN THE BEST INTREST OF OUR CHILDREN.......... These Judges Should maybe start READING INTO WHAT THEY ARE SIGHNING so they don't rott in hell by assosiation

[Umendontrun]

Child support is not enough. He need that father fiqure in the his or her life. For example, how was school today?

[179volfan]

Henry wrote:

<quoted text>Come on! We are both men. If you pay $696 out of (at least) 2012.80 that's not a big deal. It's about 35% of you income that you pay. How about the ones who pay at least 55% of their income? Let's be serious? If you held custody of your child, you would have spent more money than what you spent. The only difference is that you would have to pay only one appartment. Please, be sympathized with the ones who pay at least 55% of the income.

Uh if you are paying more than 50% of your pay, or should I say your gross pay, then your state dhs is taking too much. By federal law, with holding more than 50%is illegal. Oh, and taxes are not considered in figuring the child support either. Even under the flat rate system, no more than 42% of your income could be touched, at least in Tn. How can a system be accurate based on gross pay instead of net pay? Try looking up the Tenn Income Shares Model.

[happysmoker]

clint wrote:

If he lives in Williamson County then he should have moved out of his likely affluent surroundings and moved to a cheaper area and paid his child support. If he is living in a 300k$ home then I believe he should have been jailed. Now my federal tax dollars have to go to use to defend a lawsuit brought about by this deadbeat dad.

I agree, my ex lives in Brentwood and claims he makes $7 and hour, how can you live off that and live in a $250,000 house. I know he makes more but dont care, he cant or wont even pay on the made up amount.

Parent who have their kids and dont supply the kids with what they need will go to jail for neglect, sound like the state need to re-write the laws to include not paying child support will result in neglect and you WILL serve jail time for it.

[Seriously]

I have a friend who's wife cheated on him and took off with his son while he was in school. Now he is ordered to pay child support. He has to pay her more for the child child support than he made while they were married.

Her new husband makes more than him and she doesn't work. Her new husbands income is not considered when determining the amount of child support. In our state, child support is determined by both parents income. So, he has to pay even more child support because she doesn't work. So now she takes 1/3 of his income tax free and he can barely survive.

She uses the money to pay for her BMW. It doesn't even go to his son. How is that fair? How is that justice? Child support laws are easily abused and do not take into account the true economics of each household.

Even though she currently declares no income, the order does require that she provide some support to her child. I don't see the courts going after her to collect that amount. And they don't seem to be telling her she needs to get a job either. SHe has an Ivy league education.

[happysmoker]

Seriously wrote:

I have a friend who's wife cheated on him and took off with his son while he was in school. Now he is ordered to pay child support. He has to pay her more for the child child support than he made while they were married.
Her new husband makes more than him and she doesn't work. Her new husbands income is not considered when determining the amount of child support. In our state, child support is determined by both parents income. So, he has to pay even more child support because she doesn't work. So now she takes 1/3 of his income tax free and he can barely survive.
She uses the money to pay for her BMW. It doesn't even go to his son. How is that fair? How is that justice? Child support laws are easily abused and do not take into account the true economics of each household.
Even though she currently declares no income, the order does require that she provide some support to her child. I don't see the courts going after her to collect that amount. And they don't seem to be telling her she needs to get a job either. SHe has an Ivy league education.

Your kidding right, how do you know her child support is paying for her BMW? Do they live on the streets while she is driving a BMW? If the child has all his needs met then the child support is going towards the child. You say her new husband makes more than him, could he be paying for the BMW? And the reason her new husband income is not a factor is because he IS NOT the childs parent and if the boots where switched and your friend was married would it be fair to include his spouses income for a basis of the amount he has to pay? No it would not.

People need to quit worrying about what the custodial parent has and worry about supporting their kids. Her not working does not impack the amount he has to pay, go to the child support website and download the same thing they use to imput the child support amount and see for yourself.

I bought some new undies a month ago, shame on me my child support is paying for them. Get a clue people.

[mmaines]

my boyfriend was 'court ordered' to pay $1052 per month on his $1040 per month salary. When he couldn't pay, he was sent to jail for 12 months.
After 10 years of fighting, denied appeals, denied requests for modification and ACTUALLY serving over 18 months in jail - he supposedly OWES over $115,000 to a total bitch who hasn't let him see his boys for over 8 years. Who care about what's LEGAL? The CORRUPTION in the CSE offices that funnel the $$ are all that matters...

[happysmoker]

mmaines wrote:

my boyfriend was 'court ordered' to pay $1052 per month on his $1040 per month salary. When he couldn't pay, he was sent to jail for 12 months.
After 10 years of fighting, denied appeals, denied requests for modification and ACTUALLY serving over 18 months in jail - he supposedly OWES over $115,000 to a total bitch who hasn't let him see his boys for over 8 years. Who care about what's LEGAL? The CORRUPTION in the CSE offices that funnel the $$ are all that matters...

I am not understanding how his support came to be that hign with him only making that. Did he at one time make more money then went to a lower paying job? Was he self employed? She cant stop him from seeing his kids unless there is an order of protection. If she is just being a butt then she is in contempt herself, and the judge will do something about that but not thru the child support office he will have to retain a lawyer for that.

On another hand if he had a high paying job and he went to a lower paying job to pay less child support the system doest work like that, he would still have to pay what he is capable of making they do that to defer deadbeats from not turning in income if self employed and so people wont go get a lower paying job just so they dont have to pay as much. My ex tried that and it didnt work for him, lol.

Plus if he is paying anything at all they cannot put him in jail. So it sounds like you BF wasnt paying at all not even what he could pay, if you cant pay the entire amount you still need to pay something or go to jail.

[Seriously]

The current child support system is unfair. Often it is abused by the custodial parent and the noncustodial parent is forced by the state to provide excess money in some sort of bizarre welfare program.

Just look at the amount of money awarded to the custodial parent (typically a woman). Most states take between 17% & 22% of of gross income and give it to the custodial parent tax-free. The noncustodial parent then has to pay taxes on it. Ultimately the non-custodial parents net income is reduced to 1/2 - 2/3 the expected amount.

In effect, the custodial parent takes nearly half of the income without lifting a finger. To make matters worse, in some states, the custodial parent is awarded more for working less.

[laughingknight]

"Child support" is a multi-billion-dollar industry in which states receive federal incentives for every cent they collect. It is an incentive for parents (mostly mothers) to terminate marriages with no-fault divorces. These ripples in society will, if not checked, cause its eventual breakdown. There was a time when "family" came first. We must remember it before it's too late. There are fewer children in the U.S. now than ever before in modern times. As the population ages, what will happen to the strength of our nation?

[laughingknight]

"Deadbeat dads" who are they? Are they the new social rejects? Be careful with lables kids or we will vilify our very brothers, just like the Nazis did. Remember when supporting a child meant actually being there?

[Proud mom]

PANCHO wrote:

I can't stand these bleeding hearts and their stories. Mother of 2, if you did not want your children, then you should have kept your legs crossed. You had a choice too!!
<quoted text>

PANCHO,
You're an ignorant fool. That's all I can say about your comment.

[Lisa Felix]

You freakin idoits. I get so damn tired of people saying "the money doesn't go to support the child". How the hell do you know? Do you think the child livs off of air. Do you think the child eats air for breakfast? Get real!What about daycare? What about nuturing the child? Hmm

Children need a home, food daycare/childcare, medicine, etc. Those of you speculating on what the custodial parent does with the money that he/ she may or may not get, should just chill out.

If you don't want to take care of a child, then don't put your self at risk of having one you don't want to support in the first place.

[bikerchick]

happysmoker wrote:

<quoted text>
Your kidding right, how do you know her child support is paying for her BMW? Do they live on the streets while she is driving a BMW? If the child has all his needs met then the child support is going towards the child. You say her new husband makes more than him, could he be paying for the BMW? And the reason her new husband income is not a factor is because he IS NOT the childs parent and if the boots where switched and your friend was married would it be fair to include his spouses income for a basis of the amount he has to pay? No it would not.
People need to quit worrying about what the custodial parent has and worry about supporting their kids. Her not working does not impack the amount he has to pay, go to the child support website and download the same thing they use to imput the child support amount and see for yourself.
I bought some new undies a month ago, shame on me my child support is paying for them. Get a clue people.

Happysmoker, your last comment
really pissed me off--you buy your undies with
child support money!! clearly you do not need the
money then. Child support money is for the support of the children, which i believe is for
your child's undies, not yours, and yes--shame on
you. You probably sit on your fat ass all day
smoking and make your ex pay thru the nose. You
get a clue.

[noname]

can anyone reccomend good lawyers in MA?

[Doughboy]

I think, again, it's simple. When a parent goes in to the courts crying poor because that's what you are doing. Then the courts need to rule as a default that everything is 50/50 and if we really care about the children 50/50 also means custody. That also means no money exchanges hands either, unless one side is proven that they can't provide properly for the child.

And to those that thinks that it's mean, then why are you asking the courts to fix something the two people in question commited to. Both the woman and man made the child equally, unless in the case of rape, it's not the responsibility of the courts to get revenge for you. Which sadly child support seems to be used for anymore.

And there's a simple fix to the child support system when it comes to money, if WIC and Food Stamps can be set up to make sure the money is only going to food then maybe it's time child support and cash assistance is done the same way.

I'm sorry but if you go to the court and say you can't make it on your own then I agree there should be help but there should also be rules in place to make sure you aren't buying things that the system wasn't set up to help you get. Things like alcohol, toys, expensive cars.

And to those that would yell and scream this isn't fair and you don't do these things, I guess there should be no problem making sure you didn't use the resources in a wrong way either.

Don't like it, don't go to the court. It sounds mean but it's time the courts get put back in to the place they need to be and that is impartial and seeking justice.

[Truth be told]

The deadbeat dad I know refused to submit his W2 forms and the court took for word of mouth what he owed. Allowing back childsupport to be waived he bought a condo several days later. All situations are diffrent one cannot assume all sitations are alike.

You would think the courts would ask for proof of income in most situations they don't.

[Depot Don]

Having been on both sides of this issue, here is my take. As the payer, I paid when I could. It would do me nor my ex-wife and children any good to be living on the street. I worked two jobs to make ends meet. living in 1 $600 month apartment, with no elective extras. Didn't have time to watch tv, just enough time to sleep. Did I want the divorce? No, she was the one, so I did what I had to. Did I get put into jail? Yes, for 90 days, for not paying my child support. Did I lose my job, my apartment and all my possessions while in jail? Go figure. Some men do have compassion for their ex-wives but it does no good to have them placed in jail.

[Depot Don]

I agree that the custodial parent should have the say about proper care, but when the custodial parent is out partying each and every night, neglecting the children, purchasing makeup/clothes/shoes instead of food for the children, than to me, there is a problem and as part of the problem/solution, I have a say.

Lisa Felix wrote:

You freakin idoits. I get so damn tired of people saying "the money doesn't go to support the child". How the hell do you know? Do you think the child livs off of air. Do you think the child eats air for breakfast? Get real!What about daycare? What about nuturing the child? Hmm
Children need a home, food daycare/childcare, medicine, etc. Those of you speculating on what the custodial parent does with the money that he/ she may or may not get, should just chill out.
If you don't want to take care of a child, then don't put your self at risk of having one you don't want to support in the first place.

[WorkAJob]

This "entitlement" mindset in this country needs to be thrown out the door. Nobody owes you anything, ladies, so drop the "I want my child support!" speeches. If a man doesn't want a child, he should be forced to pay for a child. My mom raised me without help--you can do it too.