Two Teenage Boys Arrested in Georgia Baby Shooting Death

Mar 23, 2013 | Posted by: _-_Nope_-_ | Full story: gma.yahoo.com

Two teenage suspects, one as young as 14, have been arrested in the shooting death of a 1-year-old Georgia boy, who was killed as his mother pushed him in a stroller, police announced today.

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I've been watching this unfold and I want to know why the mother hasn't been hauled down to the station and questioned at length. Other "innocent" people have gone through numerous interrogations when something like this happens.
I cannot for the life of me believe that if these boys did the shooting, they were put up to it. Out of all the young black males in Glynn County, they just happened to be in a photo lineup, she just happened to pick them out, they just happened to have done it.
Her actions are NOT THAT OF A MOTHER WHO JUST WATCHED HER BABY DIE. There is so much more here than is being brought to light. Please tell me that they're just giving her enough time and rope to hang herself.
And for the record, I'm a staunch conservative, white female, CCW toting gun owner. I have no dog in this fight other than mother's intuition telling me that something's not kosher.
you really are confused, or you are not reading the paper. The boys were turned in by WITNESESS.....The 15 yr old confessed and took the police to where they threw the gun and the gun has been recovered. The 17 yr old tested positive for the Gun residue.
These are the two guilty punks...however, I am not without some agreement with you...there is something else missing in this story. But even if the mother is implicated by arranging it...the 17 yr is still the murderer of a baby, he still pulled that trigger, three people in the area have come forward and told police they saw the 17 yr old do it.
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<quoted text> you really are confused, or you are not reading the paper. The boys were turned in by WITNESESS.....The 15 yr old confessed and took the police to where they threw the gun and the gun has been recovered. The 17 yr old tested positive for the Gun residue.
These are the two guilty punks...however, I am not without some agreement with you...there is something else missing in this story. But even if the mother is implicated by arranging it...the 17 yr is still the murderer of a baby, he still pulled that trigger, three people in the area have come forward and told police they saw the 17 yr old do it.
Okay, I have not seen one single thing in any papers that say the 17 year old tested positive for gunshot residue, nor have I seen confirmation of ballistics tests that the gun recovered was the weapon used to kill the baby.

Someone please post a link to ANY news article confirming these two tidbits because I have searched for hours and can't find anything stating this.

Also, who are these three people? I saw where people, mainly those who were calling 911, saw the baby after the shots, but never saw anyone leaving the area. One anonymous witness is all I've read about.

One person states he heard THREE gunshots. Sherry West stated that the killer shot at the ground, then her leg, her ear and the baby. That's four shots. Why does her story keep changing?
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The original story stated that 4 shots were fired prior to firing the one that killed the child.
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How can anyone with a heart say this wasn't racial,robbery was just an excuse,them animals knew what they were about before they even seen the woman,the shooter's mom is on probation and the mother and the aunt lied for them,you people need serious professional help if you think otherwise.
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I was making a point. As I am not against black or white, although both are known to get on my bad side.
Correct, my post was labeling a race, and correct it was in relation to a heinous murder. I meant it to sound offensive. I can only hope it was helpful. As I want to show some blacks how it feels to the whites when one thing goes wrong, they yell..'RACIST, UNFAIR'. Then they burn the town down, or riot in the streets. Why would they?
Was just a point being made. I am fully aware of what whites do. And when done to a black, the whole country is aware.
Am I using this thread to make that point, yes, I am.
My bad for offending you. There are so many times I am offended as well. But I would end up writing a tome to explain. Which I need not.
Will say this one time....something needs to be done with our children and how they are being raised. This is getting out of hand.
We need to revamp our school systems as well as welfare.
I think that the mother has a mental illness.....according to her daughter. That could explain her strange behavior.

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I agree with your very last sentence. But that's about it.
For one thing...who ever said *anything* about utopia?? I said poverty correlates with crime. And it does. And we have never eliminated poverty. So what are you going on about?
Are you telling me that you prefer a world in which some people live in poverty and are uneducated? You enjoy a world where those people, when they lack that basic feeling of being invested in society, go out and rob a gas station and maybe shoot the clerk?
Because I don't like that world. I'd like to improve that world.
Exactly what mechanism do you propose to put in place to change it? Killing people for crime and ignoring the problem that caused it in the first place?
You only agree with the last sentence? Really??? Exactly what is your disagreement with the facts about Nkosi Thandiwe, who shot three women simply because they were White, as he himself admitted at his trial? Thandiwe murdered Brittany Watts and left Lauren Garcia paralyzed for life because his university education had taught him that White people are evil and must pay for their "White privilege." Are you saying that you agree that White people are evil and should be killed? Judging from the ideas you have expressed here, you just might be in favor of "punishing" White people for the failures of Blacks.

Funny that you object to the word "utopian" and yet you ask for a "mechanism" to bring about change. You don't like this world and you want to change it by applying a...mechanism? That is precisely the attitude that I call "utopian." Because that approach has been tried for three hundred years and it has never led to anything but misery and mass murder. Blaming White people for the failures of Blacks is what lead to the murder of Brittany Watts, and that is just one example of an ongoing trend. Not all Black men take to the streets with guns to shoot White people; I have in fact known a lot of good, decent, hard-working Black people, here in NYC. But they are not the problem. That problem is with academics who insist on finding a "mechanism" for change and when they don't find it, they get angry. What if there is no such mechanism? The only thing we have that might be called a "mechanism" is free market capitalism, which has done wonders to improve the lives of billions, as Karl Marx freely admitted. But capitalism also brings misery and poverty for some. Socialist solutions have not ameliorated the condition of the poor, they have only spread the misery, except when tried in small countries like Sweden. The reasons for the failures of socialism are many, and they might be discussed at great length elsewhere. But blaming White people is not the answer. It will only increase the misery and the resentment of those who have not succeeded according to expectations.
But rather than make dogmatic assertions, I would throw the question back at you. What remedy do you think should be applied to eliminate poverty?

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You only agree with the last sentence? Really??? Exactly what is your disagreement with the facts about Nkosi Thandiwe, who shot three women simply because they were White, as he himself admitted at his trial? Thandiwe murdered Brittany Watts and left Lauren Garcia paralyzed for life because his university education had taught him that White people are evil and must pay for their "White privilege." Are you saying that you agree that White people are evil and should be killed? Judging from the ideas you have expressed here, you just might be in favor of "punishing" White people for the failures of Blacks.
Funny that you object to the word "utopian" and yet you ask for a "mechanism" to bring about change. You don't like this world and you want to change it by applying a...mechanism? That is precisely the attitude that I call "utopian." Because that approach has been tried for three hundred years and it has never led to anything but misery and mass murder. Blaming White people for the failures of Blacks is what lead to the murder of Brittany Watts, and that is just one example of an ongoing trend. Not all Black men take to the streets with guns to shoot White people; I have in fact known a lot of good, decent, hard-working Black people, here in NYC. But they are not the problem. That problem is with academics who insist on finding a "mechanism" for change and when they don't find it, they get angry. What if there is no such mechanism? The only thing we have that might be called a "mechanism" is free market capitalism, which has done wonders to improve the lives of billions, as Karl Marx freely admitted. But capitalism also brings misery and poverty for some. Socialist solutions have not ameliorated the condition of the poor, they have only spread the misery, except when tried in small countries like Sweden. The reasons for the failures of socialism are many, and they might be discussed at great length elsewhere. But blaming White people is not the answer. It will only increase the misery and the resentment of those who have not succeeded according to expectations.
But rather than make dogmatic assertions, I would throw the question back at you. What remedy do you think should be applied to eliminate poverty?
I'm not familiar with the case you mentioned. I did not address it in my reply. I certainly do NOT agree that whites should be "punished" as a race for any racial issues that transpired in the past.

Looking for a way to make things better is not a utopian point of view. I don't know how you are making that leap of logic. If you paint your house are also a utopian? Are you utopian when you have your wisdom teeth removed?

We do not have free market capitalism. We have a regulated market system.

I don't think anybody knows how to totally eliminate poverty. But we do know some things that seem to cause it. If I am not educated then my opportunities in every market are limited. If I am highly educated then my opportunities are expanded. Limited opportunities increases your likelihood of engaging in crime. Once you start engaging in crime it is *very difficult* to get out of it. Prison, rather than rehabilitating you, often just broadens your field of opportunities in the realm of crime. Because you are locked up with...criminals.

So I would argue that the most obvious treatment for poverty is to ensure that every single kid gets a good education. Not just the opportunity to get an education, but the assurance that he or she WILL get one. Stringent curriculum requirements vetted by experts on education should be mandated for all educators, homeschool or public. And we should do everything we can to apply the most rigorous and realistically attainable standards across the entire planet.

At least then we can say that we addressed the most basic and obvious root cause for poverty and help new generations break that cycle.
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I would argue that the most important thing to instill in people is a solid work ethic. Not all are suited to higher learning. Some are not suited to basic learning. But, if a man is willing to work at whatever he has to in order to provide for himself he will fare well.
I've known men that couldn't read that earned a good living.

The current system rewards not working. It is the exact opposite of what people really need. It is the trap that injures the psyche.
It's a crippling addiction and rather than break the addiction (which is hard) politicians have figured out how to exploit the poor in order to perpetuate there own positions.

The odd thing is how liberals do not raise their own children with the same sympathy that they feign towards the poor. Most liberal minded folks are very demanding of their own kids in the area of education.
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It's too bad the racist idiots are jumping on this case as something that's not extreme or out of the ordinary for people in general. Damaged, murderous individuals come in all colors. I won't even go into case by case specifics, but we recently had an incident here in Pittsburgh involving a murderous, damaged 41-year-old black man. He entered a Target store yielding a knife and grabbed a 16-year-old white girl, stabbing her in the arm and the back, and using her as a hman shield. If three black men hadn't intervened, at the risk of their own lives, there's a good chance the girl could have been killed. Thanks to these men who could have kept themselves safe, the girl is recovering from a collaspes lung. These men probably kept her from further harm.
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Yiago wrote:
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You keep talking about this horrible event as if it was a racial event. Sure, the people involved had different skin colors. But take two minutes to dig a little deeper and maybe you'll find that the reality you speak of has more to do with economic disparity and education than with race.
I haven't read much about this story since it is so new. I prefer to wait until the dust settles and get a better picture. Meanwhile you have automatically leaped to "blacks are taught to hate whites".
At least wait a while, see all the details once they've been vetted, and then try to look past skin color for a deeper truth.
Your post makes this sort of thing worse because you want to draw the lines and point the fingers.
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Now if we could apply all reponses like this to george zimmerman we could all hold hands and sing "We are the world" so you are saying that after tavon trial and the "dust settles" and if z-man is aquitted(which he will be sacrificed to the rush to judge,edited 911,nbc zombies) that you will accept the verdict---yeah right .Give us a break.
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Okay, I have not seen one single thing in any papers that say the 17 year old tested positive for gunshot residue, nor have I seen confirmation of ballistics tests that the gun recovered was the weapon used to kill the baby.
Someone please post a link to ANY news article confirming these two tidbits because I have searched for hours and can't find anything stating this.
Also, who are these three people? I saw where people, mainly those who were calling 911, saw the baby after the shots, but never saw anyone leaving the area. One anonymous witness is all I've read about.
One person states he heard THREE gunshots. Sherry West stated that the killer shot at the ground, then her leg, her ear and the baby. That's four shots. Why does her story keep changing?
Its not the mothers story that keeps changing its your source of info that keeps changing the tv news on the same channel changes to adjust to ratings. Low ratings means jack up a story they of course will deny this its all about the cash in this country baby hell look at ole de'marki˘s's facebook flashing a few hundred bucks like he has some money(looked like enough to buy a x-box off craigs list) I wish you good luck on getting consistant facts from news media you will be the only person to accomplish this unobtainable goal or better yet just ask a travon martin supporter usually in their oppinion they somehow have all the info they need to know.
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Strange how our local papers are just full of the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin crap, but I have yet to see mention of this. Spoke to my brother in Illinois and he had not even heard of this incident. Does anyone know why this horrible crime is off the radar and if Jesse or Al will be marching for the victims?(yes that was sarcasm)

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Wow, it seems now that the gun recovered from the pond does tie into Elkins, he is also identified by a victim shot in the arm by Elkins in a robbery a week before the baby was also shot by Elkins,...the bullets from both shootings are from the same gun.

Wow...what a nice boy huh?
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/teen-indict...

The only thing, too bad the prosecution is not asking for the death penalty because of their age...the baby got the death penalty...these little SOBs should get it too!!! I hope they are killed by inmates!!
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Wow, it seems now that the gun recovered from the pond does tie into Elkins, he is also identified by a victim shot in the arm by Elkins in a robbery a week before the baby was also shot by Elkins,...the bullets from both shootings are from the same gun.
Wow...what a nice boy huh?
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/teen-indict...
The only thing, too bad the prosecution is not asking for the death penalty because of their age...the baby got the death penalty...these little SOBs should get it too!!! I hope they are killed by inmates!!
I see how your remarks have been "judged" too. In my neighborhood we are going to see such stuff shortly, for drugs seem to be flowing quite freely and them "guvmit checks" are paying for some, stealing, welfare fraud, coercion of medicaid paid for pain meds are being transferred from original recipient to enable users or dealers to have them or to be able to sell them if necessary. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but, as some call it, "Karma" will take care, eventually.

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Mi_nina wrote:
Wow, it seems now that the gun recovered from the pond does tie into Elkins, he is also identified by a victim shot in the arm by Elkins in a robbery a week before the baby was also shot by Elkins,...the bullets from both shootings are from the same gun.
Wow...what a nice boy huh?
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/teen-indict...
The only thing, too bad the prosecution is not asking for the death penalty because of their age...the baby got the death penalty...these little SOBs should get it too!!! I hope they are killed by inmates!!
Good find. I agree with you. Anytime a person does something such as take another's life...should be put to death, regardless of age, colour, or life's little circumstances.
Just take 'em out!

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stephanie wrote:
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Now if we could apply all reponses like this to george zimmerman we could all hold hands and sing "We are the world" so you are saying that after tavon trial and the "dust settles" and if z-man is aquitted(which he will be sacrificed to the rush to judge,edited 911,nbc zombies) that you will accept the verdict---yeah right .Give us a break.
I don't understand your post. Lots of typos make it illegible.

Regarding the Zimmerman case, I haven't kept up with it. Last I heard he pursued a teenager against direction from a 911 operator, got into a fight with him, and killed him. And was not arrested.

Seems to me all he had to do was go home and none of that nonsense would have happened.

If the jury finds him guilty of murder, send him off for the rest of his life. That's what we do with murderers.

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I would argue that the most important thing to instill in people is a solid work ethic. Not all are suited to higher learning. Some are not suited to basic learning. But, if a man is willing to work at whatever he has to in order to provide for himself he will fare well.
I've known men that couldn't read that earned a good living.
The current system rewards not working. It is the exact opposite of what people really need. It is the trap that injures the psyche.
It's a crippling addiction and rather than break the addiction (which is hard) politicians have figured out how to exploit the poor in order to perpetuate there own positions.
The odd thing is how liberals do not raise their own children with the same sympathy that they feign towards the poor. Most liberal minded folks are very demanding of their own kids in the area of education.
I agree with most of your point, but I don't understand the need to cast such broad judgements. Liberals "feign" sympathy? What's your evidence for that?

Requiring all kids to go to school and learn under the same or similar strict curriculum will help instill that work ethic you speak of. If you remember, school is work. If school isn't hard, you aren't doing school right.

And having that investment of going to school for 12+ years and being required to do it well...that should offer people something to be proud of. The problem is, especially around here, the parents don't give a crap about school. They assume schools are "liberal" and they don't really care if Johnny excels as long as he graduates. If that.

We have a serious epidemic of anti-intellectualism. It used to be the case we *wanted* our leaders to be the smartest people around. We wanted them to know languages and have advanced degrees. Now we just want them to cut our taxes, bomb the enemy, and say "God" a lot.

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I agree with most of your point, but I don't understand the need to cast such broad judgements. Liberals "feign" sympathy? What's your evidence for that?
Requiring all kids to go to school and learn under the same or similar strict curriculum will help instill that work ethic you speak of. If you remember, school is work. If school isn't hard, you aren't doing school right.
And having that investment of going to school for 12+ years and being required to do it well...that should offer people something to be proud of. The problem is, especially around here, the parents don't give a crap about school. They assume schools are "liberal" and they don't really care if Johnny excels as long as he graduates. If that.
We have a serious epidemic of anti-intellectualism. It used to be the case we *wanted* our leaders to be the smartest people around. We wanted them to know languages and have advanced degrees. Now we just want them to cut our taxes, bomb the enemy, and say "God" a lot.
Like it on not...I do believe you and I have paged up!
I agree, we need better education. Just remember it didn't go over well in the 60's.
This is when everything started going backwards into the dark ages...as you just plainly pointed out.
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I like everyone else can't believe the lack of coverage on this horrific crime. You have to google it to find information about it. The big news stations aren't interested in it. Everyone should be upset about this. A sleeping baby in a stroller gets executed by an animal. If that doesn't rock you to the core, nothing will. Honestly, an animal being abused gets more sympathy. No. I love animals and don't think they should be abused. Just making a comparison.

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I like everyone else can't believe the lack of coverage on this horrific crime. You have to google it to find information about it. The big news stations aren't interested in it. Everyone should be upset about this. A sleeping baby in a stroller gets executed by an animal. If that doesn't rock you to the core, nothing will. Honestly, an animal being abused gets more sympathy. No. I love animals and don't think they should be abused. Just making a comparison.
The fact that this story is not main stream news is indicative of the fear of saying something politically incorrect and offending the race baiters.......

Even Fox news won't touch it. Meanwhile last night the MSM ran a story about George Zimmerman's brother tweets comparing the two teenagers as being racist.......

Until folks are willing to have an honest discussion on race this sort of thing will continue to be swept under the rug......

This will be to the detriment of good folks of all races........

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