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#2093 Mar 12, 2014
Synergy wrote:
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Your Go Blue Forever Obama is enjoying his LOWEST APPROVAL RATINGS EVER. ROTFL Yeah. You libroids sure know how to pick 'um.
Carter
Bill(I didn't have sex with that woman...Ms. Lewinsky) Clinton
Obama
'nuff said........
KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL.....5 Years of strengthening Economic Recovery....and all you care about, is the approval ratings of his second term?...beyond dumb.....

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#2094 Mar 12, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL.....5 Years of strengthening Economic Recovery....and all you care about, is the approval ratings of his second term?...beyond dumb.....
lol Funniest post of the day.
Let's watch the midterms.

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#2095 Mar 12, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL.....5 Years of strengthening Economic Recovery....and all you care about, is the approval ratings of his second term?...beyond dumb.....
Now tell us how much everyone LOVES Obamacare! Obamacare is going to lose the Senate for you in the midterms.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/local/a...

http://www.nationaljournal.com/hotline-on-cal...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/200523-re...

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#2096 Mar 12, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL.....5 Years of strengthening Economic Recovery....and all you care about, is the approval ratings of his second term?...beyond dumb.....
".5 Years of strengthening Economic Recovery" REALLY? LMAO.

"beyond dumb" Oh, the irony, based on the above comment...
MtnScott

Ellijay, GA

#2097 Mar 12, 2014
Synergy wrote:
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Now tell us how much everyone LOVES Obamacare! Obamacare is going to lose the Senate for you in the midterms.
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Anyone follow HR 4118 in the news? Well very few but how could you. The house voted last week in a strong majority (GOP & some Dem) to delay the individual mandate IRS penalties for one year, despite the personal reason. NPR didn't cover it, in fact they ran a story this morning to scare people into signing up before Friday or face a penalty in Apr 2015 of thousands (maybe 10s of thousands). CBS, NBC, ABC,CNN didn't cover it unless I missed it. Fox barely covered it. WSJ covered it as did the specialized right wing blogs & mags.

Anyhow, the Pres said last week it didn't have a chance in the Senate and he's veto it anyway. Same man who already delayed business compliance with the law by one or more years via executive order. I do expect him to capitulate in April and say-- nah no penalty for 2014 by exec order, so he won't look like the bad guy. Until open enrollment closes, though, he will keep bluffing.

Current rules in place (quietly) will excuse the penalty annually if the individual(s) can't get cheap insurance (ie: adjusted earnings under 20K (meaning gross pay of 25-40K depending on deductions) in a state like GA that will not expand Medicaid to people that have any savings or assets worth over $2000.

In other words, a WalMart or Fast Food worker w/ a small family that managed to save a little money, has family cash, has any IRA or owns a car worth over 4K making 19K( AGI $14K) would have to pay about $15K annually for bronze BCBS in North GA. That's significantly more than 8% of their income, so it is excused due to economic hardship. They'd have to spend all their savings and give away their car to qualify for Medicaid (as ACA suggests) in 25 of the states. ACA stipends to cover the majority of the $1200-1600/month cost of GA health insurance don't kick in unless you earn about 20K AGI (really about 28K gross) for a small household.

DUHHHHH! You know that's what happens when rich men (and a few rich women) who are totally out of touch with the diversity of the population they serve, assume everyone fits into their cookie cutter idea of a citizen-situation and make laws that sound good over wine and cocktails while industry lobbyists whisper in their ears and pour more booze.

BTW: Bronze plans are pretty cruddy insurance anyway. They won't pay for much until you spend many thousands out of pocket on health costs. It is really just a government profit sharing program with big insurance. Bad King John is still taxing the peasants and feasting on their labors.
MtnScott

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#2098 Mar 12, 2014
Sorry for the length of the post above, but that's what it takes to explain it since the media isn't.

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#2099 Mar 12, 2014
CONSUMER CONFIDENCE TICKS UP IN FEBRUARY....AP(3-1-14).....Was hington -- A surprisingly optimistic outlook among younger Americans and a higher stock market pushed up a measure of U.S. consumer sentiment in February.....The increase was small, but the harsh winter weather appear's to have had little effect on American's confidence so far. That's a sign that spending may pick up in the coming months.....The University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index ticked up to 81.6 in February from 81.2 in January. It's still slightly below December's figure.....The survey found that Americans under age 35 have grown optimistic that their pay will increase. On average, they expect income gains of 5 percent over the next 12 months, the survey found. THAT'S THE LARGEST EXPECTED GAIN SINCE, NOVEMBER 2006......

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#2100 Mar 12, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
CONSUMER CONFIDENCE TICKS UP IN FEBRUARY....AP(3-1-14).....Was hington -- A surprisingly optimistic outlook among younger Americans and a higher stock market pushed up a measure of U.S. consumer sentiment in February.....The increase was small, but the harsh winter weather appear's to have had little effect on American's confidence so far. That's a sign that spending may pick up in the coming months.....The University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index ticked up to 81.6 in February from 81.2 in January. It's still slightly below December's figure.....The survey found that Americans under age 35 have grown optimistic that their pay will increase. On average, they expect income gains of 5 percent over the next 12 months, the survey found. THAT'S THE LARGEST EXPECTED GAIN SINCE, NOVEMBER 2006......
How about those who don't even have jobs? How optimistic are they? How about the ones who are underemployed? I have read several articles on RCP this morning who don't seem to agree with your post. If everything is so wonderful, why is Obama's job approval rating so low? Logic says that his job approval rating should be off the chart. Now! Bring on the excuses.

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#2101 Mar 12, 2014
MtnScott wrote:
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Anyone follow HR 4118 in the news? Well very few but how could you. The house voted last week in a strong majority (GOP & some Dem) to delay the individual mandate IRS penalties for one year, despite the personal reason. NPR didn't cover it, in fact they ran a story this morning to scare people into signing up before Friday or face a penalty in Apr 2015 of thousands (maybe 10s of thousands). CBS, NBC, ABC,CNN didn't cover it unless I missed it. Fox barely covered it. WSJ covered it as did the specialized right wing blogs & mags.
Anyhow, the Pres said last week it didn't have a chance in the Senate and he's veto it anyway. Same man who already delayed business compliance with the law by one or more years via executive order. I do expect him to capitulate in April and say-- nah no penalty for 2014 by exec order, so he won't look like the bad guy. Until open enrollment closes, though, he will keep bluffing.
Current rules in place (quietly) will excuse the penalty annually if the individual(s) can't get cheap insurance (ie: adjusted earnings under 20K (meaning gross pay of 25-40K depending on deductions) in a state like GA that will not expand Medicaid to people that have any savings or assets worth over $2000.
In other words, a WalMart or Fast Food worker w/ a small family that managed to save a little money, has family cash, has any IRA or owns a car worth over 4K making 19K( AGI $14K) would have to pay about $15K annually for bronze BCBS in North GA. That's significantly more than 8% of their income, so it is excused due to economic hardship. They'd have to spend all their savings and give away their car to qualify for Medicaid (as ACA suggests) in 25 of the states. ACA stipends to cover the majority of the $1200-1600/month cost of GA health insurance don't kick in unless you earn about 20K AGI (really about 28K gross) for a small household.
DUHHHHH! You know that's what happens when rich men (and a few rich women) who are totally out of touch with the diversity of the population they serve, assume everyone fits into their cookie cutter idea of a citizen-situation and make laws that sound good over wine and cocktails while industry lobbyists whisper in their ears and pour more booze.
BTW: Bronze plans are pretty cruddy insurance anyway. They won't pay for much until you spend many thousands out of pocket on health costs. It is really just a government profit sharing program with big insurance. Bad King John is still taxing the peasants and feasting on their labors.
Clearly, the scare tactics are being used to boost enrollment in order to get some of the egg off Obama's and his minions faces. Who, other than the Obamabots, didn't see this coming?
The Bronze plan is pretty much worthless. This whole thing is just pathetic.
MtnScott

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#2102 Mar 12, 2014
"Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward!"

As Mark Twain said on one of his lecture posters: "The public may expect dancing bears at this presentation. The public is welcomed to expect whatever they wish."

Critical reading (SAT style) of the Go Blue article above. U o M consumer sentiment ticked up two tenths of a point-- still lower than it was in Dec. Therefore new GAIN in the 1st quarter is a LOSS for the year to date.

U of Michigan: well Michigan can't go anywhere but up. Like calling down to someone stuck in a 50 ft pit, how's your progress? "Up two feet!!!" so where are you now? "Only 49 feet to go!"

Might I suggest that you go down to your town square and do your own study on "confidence". Better yet, since you are so confident, hire me and 20 of my friends to do the study for you. FDR was confident too, but no real sustained improvement in jobs until the Germans started bombing London and and Japan bombed Pearl Harbor & the private capital economy didn't truly improve.until 49, four years after he was dead.

Hey Iraq and Afghanistan are finally winding down (after two different presidents & two UK PMs snatched defeat from the jaws of victory), there's always a 21st century Crimean War to get into, this one with bombers and nukes at the ready. "Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward"

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#2103 Mar 12, 2014
MtnScott wrote:
"Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward!"
As Mark Twain said on one of his lecture posters: "The public may expect dancing bears at this presentation. The public is welcomed to expect whatever they wish."
Critical reading (SAT style) of the Go Blue article above. U o M consumer sentiment ticked up two tenths of a point-- still lower than it was in Dec. Therefore new GAIN in the 1st quarter is a LOSS for the year to date.
U of Michigan: well Michigan can't go anywhere but up. Like calling down to someone stuck in a 50 ft pit, how's your progress? "Up two feet!!!" so where are you now? "Only 49 feet to go!"
Might I suggest that you go down to your town square and do your own study on "confidence". Better yet, since you are so confident, hire me and 20 of my friends to do the study for you. FDR was confident too, but no real sustained improvement in jobs until the Germans started bombing London and and Japan bombed Pearl Harbor & the private capital economy didn't truly improve.until 49, four years after he was dead.
Hey Iraq and Afghanistan are finally winding down (after two different presidents & two UK PMs snatched defeat from the jaws of victory), there's always a 21st century Crimean War to get into, this one with bombers and nukes at the ready. "Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward"
+1 Great post.
In laymen's terms it's called "grabbing at straws"......the liberal's claim to fame. Well, THAT and making excuses. TWO claims to fame.
Just curious. Are you a writer? Your prose suggest such.
MtnScott

Ellijay, GA

#2104 Mar 12, 2014
Synergy wrote:
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Clearly, the scare tactics are being used to boost enrollment in order to get some of the egg off Obama's and his minions faces. Who, other than the Obamabots, didn't see this coming?
The Bronze plan is pretty much worthless. This whole thing is just pathetic.
I don't think that's the only thing. All big schemes (large capital companies, railroads, insurance, etc...) have required a minimum buy-in population or they crash, despite any investment promises. The 25 states that didn't remove the asset/savings limit from Medicaid qualification know this and this is how they're fighting to keep enrollment below that magic number. Both sides know this and both sides know the states are 25+DC vs 25.

Look at what hospital CEOs are reading today:
http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2014/0...

The states that did allow expansion of Medicaid have happy low wage earners because anyone under 40K/yr will get nearly free or completely free insurance. In fact the Medicaid option is better for most as it pays 100% for crappy care instead of 60%. In Hawaii quite a few large land owning millionaires are now on Medicaid because they have no earned income on their yearly return.
MtnScott

Ellijay, GA

#2105 Mar 12, 2014
Synergy wrote:
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...Are you a writer? Your prose suggest such.
Actually, no. I'm a data analyst. I do read classics and am neither fully conservative or fully liberal. I pick and choose for myself, thus I can't fit comfortably in either camps.

Thank you though. I'm sure Go Blue means well and hopes for the best for all Americans. I just tend to have strong sales resistance, and know when a clumsy salesman is trying to sell me a load of ----.

BTW Here's where the ACA is being marketed this week:

"How the White House is marketing the ACA
The FunnyOrDie.com interview is just a small part of the White House's broader promotional strategy for the ACA. Here are some stories about other efforts:
Songs, sunscreen market the ACA exchanges in blue states
Why the NFL will not promote the ACA—but librarians will
To promote ACA benefit, California turns to…'Modern Family'? "

~from The Advisory Board Company's "The Daily Briefing"

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#2106 Mar 12, 2014
MtnScott wrote:
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I don't think that's the only thing. All big schemes (large capital companies, railroads, insurance, etc...) have required a minimum buy-in population or they crash, despite any investment promises. The 25 states that didn't remove the asset/savings limit from Medicaid qualification know this and this is how they're fighting to keep enrollment below that magic number. Both sides know this and both sides know the states are 25+DC vs 25.
Look at what hospital CEOs are reading today:
http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2014/0...
The states that did allow expansion of Medicaid have happy low wage earners because anyone under 40K/yr will get nearly free or completely free insurance. In fact the Medicaid option is better for most as it pays 100% for crappy care instead of 60%. In Hawaii quite a few large land owning millionaires are now on Medicaid because they have no earned income on their yearly return.
WOW!!!!!
When the numbers come out at the end of March, one has to wonder if the expanded Medicaid enrollee numbers will be added into the overall Obamacare numbers. It will be interesting to see how the media spins this travesty.

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#2107 Mar 12, 2014
MtnScott wrote:
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Actually, no. I'm a data analyst. I do read classics and am neither fully conservative or fully liberal. I pick and choose for myself, thus I can't fit comfortably in either camps.
Thank you though. I'm sure Go Blue means well and hopes for the best for all Americans. I just tend to have strong sales resistance, and know when a clumsy salesman is trying to sell me a load of ----.
BTW Here's where the ACA is being marketed this week:
"How the White House is marketing the ACA
The FunnyOrDie.com interview is just a small part of the White House's broader promotional strategy for the ACA. Here are some stories about other efforts:
Songs, sunscreen market the ACA exchanges in blue states
Why the NFL will not promote the ACA—but librarians will
To promote ACA benefit, California turns to…'Modern Family'? "
~from The Advisory Board Company's "The Daily Briefing"
I have seen the "Between the Ferns" interview on several programs since yesterday. Today I have already seen a couple of commercials promoting the ACA. The powers that be are really piling it on and spending the money. Trying to reach that goal.
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#2108 Mar 12, 2014
MtnScott wrote:
Sorry for the length of the post above, but that's what it takes to explain it since the media isn't.

well heck..........you've still not explained it to my satisfaction..........perhaps you could give it another try..........with better clarity..........about what you are trying to say..........



MtnScott

Ellijay, GA

#2109 Mar 12, 2014
same wrote:
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well heck..........you've still not explained it to my satisfaction..........perhaps you could give it another try..........with better clarity..........about what you are trying to say..........
In a nutshell: It won't work for non-welfare people earning between a few thousand and 20K-30K a year. The only way it appears to work in NY state, Ohio or CA is working service economy people are bring put on welfare, against their will to avoid the fine. You don't take the welfare (Medicaid) then you break the law.

=== That's the short answer if you believe me (a dude you don't know)======

OK explain it to yourself. This is how I found out. Not by listening to political sales-spin. Go to healthcare.gov ; pick Georgia and pretend you make minimum wage with a family of one, two or three kids (many like this in GA) and you have a 2007 pickup you're making payments on.

Look at the plans. Remember you make $13K a year (gross) if they don't lay you off or have cutbacks and NO employer health insurance is offered (remember the President recently gave employers like WalMart & McDonalds a couple of years extra to get on board-- no fines)

Try to find a plan you qualify for and see what your cost would be. Put in 30K /year and you'll see you have a pretty good silver plan you can afford. Try 50K. Try 25K. Then put in the real number for this experiment, 13K or 14K-- BOOM you don't qualify for assistance, it says consult Medicare.

You go to Medicare and look at qualifications. Your earnings may say OK, but you have a truck (valued at 7K) to get to work and you've scraped up $3000 in your checking account to pay your own bills and have a little emergency fund. BOOM-- this is not for you.

BCBS of GA has now (in the last three years) shot up to $1300/month for private insurance for your family (with high deductibles BTW so if you got sick you still couldn't afford the doctor bill). You make $1100 / month and Social Security taxes you for $100, GA taxes you a little, you have truck payments, rent, food, clothes,$3.50/gal gas, high utility payments for bad winters. Even if your life was FREE, you wouldn't make enough to buy a bronze plan.

SERIOUSLY, be a good citizen and put yourself in someone shoes to see what they see. Health facilitators are seeing this all over the county after the talk stopped in Oct and the signups began. They didn't know what to do and just told folks they were supposed to be helping, "Sorry :("

OK now all the high hopes look impossible. I doubt if the supporters of the ACA intended this, but this is what happened after what started out as the President's original campaign proposal of a One Payer system (shutting down the insurance companies, having Mega MediCare & a 8% employee tax matched by an 8% employer tax (another SS)) got morphed into this morass, leaving you to figure it out.

Good luck out there.
MtnScott

Ellijay, GA

#2110 Mar 12, 2014
sorry-- typed too fast-- need to proofread better-- my bad!

"BOOM you don't qualify for assistance, it says consult Medicare."

no meant to say:

BOOM you don't qualify for assistance, it says consult MediCAID.

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#2111 Mar 12, 2014
MtnScott wrote:
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In a nutshell: It won't work for non-welfare people earning between a few thousand and 20K-30K a year. The only way it appears to work in NY state, Ohio or CA is working service economy people are bring put on welfare, against their will to avoid the fine. You don't take the welfare (Medicaid) then you break the law.
=== That's the short answer if you believe me (a dude you don't know)======
OK explain it to yourself. This is how I found out. Not by listening to political sales-spin. Go to healthcare.gov ; pick Georgia and pretend you make minimum wage with a family of one, two or three kids (many like this in GA) and you have a 2007 pickup you're making payments on.
Look at the plans. Remember you make $13K a year (gross) if they don't lay you off or have cutbacks and NO employer health insurance is offered (remember the President recently gave employers like WalMart & McDonalds a couple of years extra to get on board-- no fines)
Try to find a plan you qualify for and see what your cost would be. Put in 30K /year and you'll see you have a pretty good silver plan you can afford. Try 50K. Try 25K. Then put in the real number for this experiment, 13K or 14K-- BOOM you don't qualify for assistance, it says consult Medicare.
You go to Medicare and look at qualifications. Your earnings may say OK, but you have a truck (valued at 7K) to get to work and you've scraped up $3000 in your checking account to pay your own bills and have a little emergency fund. BOOM-- this is not for you.
BCBS of GA has now (in the last three years) shot up to $1300/month for private insurance for your family (with high deductibles BTW so if you got sick you still couldn't afford the doctor bill). You make $1100 / month and Social Security taxes you for $100, GA taxes you a little, you have truck payments, rent, food, clothes,$3.50/gal gas, high utility payments for bad winters. Even if your life was FREE, you wouldn't make enough to buy a bronze plan.
SERIOUSLY, be a good citizen and put yourself in someone shoes to see what they see. Health facilitators are seeing this all over the county after the talk stopped in Oct and the signups began. They didn't know what to do and just told folks they were supposed to be helping, "Sorry :("
OK now all the high hopes look impossible. I doubt if the supporters of the ACA intended this, but this is what happened after what started out as the President's original campaign proposal of a One Payer system (shutting down the insurance companies, having Mega MediCare & a 8% employee tax matched by an 8% employer tax (another SS)) got morphed into this morass, leaving you to figure it out.
Good luck out there.
Ultimately we WILL have a single payer system and as you said, that was the original intent. Many of us have thought claimed that, but a certain segment of the population REFUSED to believe it.
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Beaufort, SC

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