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Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17640 Jul 8, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Do I expect this to convince anyone opposed to Obamacare, nope, but so what.

Maybe not the conservatives, but you sure do expect to convince the uninformed, bolster the liberal point of acceptance, and further Obama's "slide to doom" for America.

If not, then why post this, "The Republicans want you to believe that Obamacare is a clear and present danger to you. They want you to believe it will cost most of you much more than now."

It's obvious you are trying to create a boogeyman to bolster the sorry web links you provided.

Using a social media site to bolster your argument, ROFL. Why not use topix? Why not use Obama's white house link?

The funny part is you think you can slip everything by conservatives here on topix. The only ones we let slip by are those so meaningless and innocuous that most conservatives don't even pay to attention to anyway.
It's just when you try to corrupt the young people, we do pay attention. It's a conservative thing, you wouldn't understand.
James

Blue Ridge, GA

#17641 Jul 8, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
In regard to healthcare, I don't think anyone would argue with you that our system was far from perfect and that insurance companies could be a bureaucratic minefield. But there were reasonable changes that could have been made that would not have required such a complete transformation (and IMO crippling) of what was still the best healthcare available. Simply allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines in order to increase competition and lower prices would have been huge. Torte reform to lessen the "defensive medicine" that doctors - especially emergency room doctors- practice would also be huge. No one is advocating for those truly harmed by negligent physicians to not be able to sue, but the virtual lottery system that civil lawyers have made out of medical malpractice is criminal. Creation of a pool of the uninsured that insurance companies would have to take a portion of would have been reasonable. I don't think many would have had a problem even potentially subsidizing such a pool. But Obamacare was not and is not the answer, it only will create a whole host of new problems.
The Heritage Foundation, e a conservative think tank, posted an interesting article today. Regardless of their political bent, facts are facts, as they lay out.
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/07/08/morning-b...
In regard to education, this country spends more than most countries per student already and fails miserably. And the blame can be laid at teachers' unions and a blotted bureaucracy. Throwing more money after bad is not the answer. Tax money following the student (rather than the student following the tax money) to whatever school the parents choose is my answer.
Don't agree with your statement about education, my kids go to a public school, they do not even have books for there classes and no they don't have I pads or any other electronic aids. Only notes of a chalk board but they got a new 3 million dollar football field recently I don't know how they track money spent per student but I have a feeling spending money on construction , not teachers or book or advancing or education proses is a large part of our ploblem.
As for your statements on possible ways to start repairing our health care ond or insurance options I agree with you as a begging point to moniter uninsured and see if those changes would begin to shift the uninsured numbers and bring cost down
James

Blue Ridge, GA

#17642 Jul 8, 2013
Also as far as health care cost ,it may or may not surprise you to know what some doctors make. I have a friend that works for a company that recruits doctors to work for hospitals. The company places the doctors, negotiates there contracts and pays there malpractice insurance, then the company pays them a hourly rate directly to the doctor. These hourly rates range from 350.00 to 500.00 per hour. I know it takes many years of hard work and costly education to become a doctor, but I believe the financial reward out weighs the the real motivation that should encourage people to become doctors, to help people. Our doctors are the highest paid doctors in the world. Also my friend earns a six figure income for just recruiting these doctors.
Opinion Poll

Dahlonega, GA

#17643 Jul 8, 2013
James wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't agree with your statement about education, my kids go to a public school, they do not even have books for there classes.

Please tell me which school system does not have books for their classes.
I really would like to know. If it is the same system as mine, I intend to do something about it.
oh great

Adel, GA

#17644 Jul 8, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh name changer with many faces, Are you Eve?
Which one are you? The one who wants a baby sitter? A nannie? or does your diaper need changing?
Post # 17570
Obamacare;
Socialist’s medicine. When many European countries are considering ways to cut services and cost at the expense of patients.
The worldwide recession has forced countries around the world to curb public spending — or risk defaulting on their debt.
“The United Kingdom is the latest to tighten its belt. The National Health Service (NHS)— the centralized public agency that runs Britain’s government healthcare system — is being forced to shave $31 billion from its budget by 2015.
In order to realize some savings, the NHS is raising the threshold at which patients qualify for treatment and lengthening wait times for surgeries determined “non-lifesaving.” The Service is also cutting more than 20,000 NHS jobs over the next two years and shuttering a number of hospitals.
Patients are feeling the pain. For decades, they’ve turned over substantial portions of their hard-earned paychecks as taxes — and accepted “free”
health care from the government in return. Only about 11 percent of Britons pay for their care privately.
They’ve foregone cutting-edge medical treatments available in the United States, told by their leaders that these new therapies were no better than the old ones — just more expensive. At least in Britain, they thought, everyone has access to basic health care. That has to be better than the situation in America, where tens of millions of people lack health insurance, right?
Hardly. The British healthcare system may “guarantee” access to care — but that doesn’t mean patients actually receive it.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/1...
“The Canadian supreme court struck down two Quebec laws, overturning a 30-year ban on private medicine in the province. The wording of the ruling, though, has implications beyond Quebec, and could be used to scrap other major parts of Canada's federal health care legislation.”
Government as baby sitter, nannie, and diaper changer will be forced to change their ways, as economies can no longer sustain the monies needed for socialism.
Again, which one are you?
Oh great moron, I can't argue with a nut. But I will try, our country is broke and deep in debt as most countries are today. Our health care system is the most expensive in the world, with a huge portion of our citizens with no coverage of any kind. But some hospitals are required by law to administer critical care. Our health care costs are breaking the middle class, with the insured making up the difference between the have insurance and the have no insurance. Hospitals have to cover their costs and most must also make a profit. The government already covers most of the cost for people like you, 65 and over. Why is that not socialism in your mind, could it be because you benefit? All the countries have the same budget problems we do, but everyone has health care. What you think to the Mr. Moron, are our adding machines just to conservative to do what other countries already do have done for many years?? Tell me why Medicare is not the same as socialized medicine for the elderly??
Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17645 Jul 8, 2013
oh great wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh great moron, I can't argue with a nut. But I will try, our country is broke and deep in debt as most countries are today. Our health care system is the most expensive in the world, with a huge portion of our citizens with no coverage of any kind. But some hospitals are required by law to administer critical care. Our health care costs are breaking the middle class, with the insured making up the difference between the have insurance and the have no insurance. Hospitals have to cover their costs and most must also make a profit. The government already covers most of the cost for people like you, 65 and over. Why is that not socialism in your mind, could it be because you benefit? All the countries have the same budget problems we do, but everyone has health care. What you think to the Mr. Moron, are our adding machines just to conservative to do what other countries already do have done for many years?? Tell me why Medicare is not the same as socialized medicine for the elderly??

Well Eve, just because you say so doesn't make it true. Just because you say I'm over 65 doesn't make it true. Just because you say hospitals must make a profit doesn't make it true.

There are many untrue statements in your post. I'm not going to point them out, you wouldn't believe me anyway.

You keep asking for information while providing none, except opinions of course. Well sorry dude, I'm not an information booth on the highway for the dumb.

But you can put this in your hat to wear around, or in your pipe and smoke it instead of the weed.

The IRS is going to administer Obamacare, must give you a warm and fuzzy feeling all over.

"The IRS Mistakenly Exposed Thousands of Social Security Numbers."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/the-irs-m...
Informed Opinion

United States

#17646 Jul 8, 2013
corrected wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong o king of morons!! Its not what they prefer, its what the voting public prefers. Congress does nothing and blames someone else for all the problems. Then they go home and promise they are going to do exactly what the voters want. Then they go back to Congress and do nothing, and blame someone else again. And the cycle continues, they tell you want you want to hear. They know you are wrong and they can't do what they promise, they have no intention of doing anything. The spoiled baby boomers in American will have to die off before anything changes. Then the young people and new immigrants will get it corrected.
Congress - blames Obama and the Supremes;
Obama - blames the Supremes and Congress;
The Supremes - blame Congress and Obama;

Nobody is at fault;
Everyone gets re-elected;
Everyone gets paid.

Ah... American politics in action.
Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17647 Jul 8, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
In regard to healthcare, I don't think anyone would argue with you that our system was far from perfect and that insurance companies could be a bureaucratic minefield. But there were reasonable changes that could have been made that would not have required such a complete transformation (and IMO crippling) of what was still the best healthcare available. Simply allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines in order to increase competition and lower prices would have been huge. Torte reform to lessen the "defensive medicine" that doctors - especially emergency room doctors- practice would also be huge. No one is advocating for those truly harmed by negligent physicians to not be able to sue, but the virtual lottery system that civil lawyers have made out of medical malpractice is criminal. Creation of a pool of the uninsured that insurance companies would have to take a portion of would have been reasonable. I don't think many would have had a problem even potentially subsidizing such a pool. But Obamacare was not and is not the answer, it only will create a whole host of new problems.
The Heritage Foundation, e a conservative think tank, posted an interesting article today. Regardless of their political bent, facts are facts, as they lay out.
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/07/08/morning-b...
In regard to education, this country spends more than most countries per student already and fails miserably. And the blame can be laid at teachers' unions and a blotted bureaucracy. Throwing more money after bad is not the answer. Tax money following the student (rather than the student following the tax money) to whatever school the parents choose is my answer.

Thanks for the link.
Just think, demos who supported the bill are now pointing fingers at Obama for failure to implement.
Will worlds never cease! Democrats who duck and dodge the year before an election.

Even the demo who wrote the bill said it was a train wreck, and yet the Lemmings keep running toward the cliff.
Informed Opinion

United States

#17648 Jul 8, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
@ Informed Opinion

I feel as though I am in need of a reality check, I was catching up on the last 12 hours and find myself agreeing with the vast majority of the content of your posts.
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I am against Obamacare because I believe it will cripple our healthcare system and balloon our deficit while still leaving 30 million uninsured (by CBO numbers). But I would like to reverse a great argument you made - if you do not trust the government to not misuse all the data they are collecting, how can you trust that same government to run a nationalized healthcare system that will also have your most personal medical information at the touch of a button?
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I still think it is crazy to call Obama a right winger and TR a conservative.
We agree on immigration and deporting aliens; and the president not being a king allowed to declare war; and the need to repeal the Unpatriotic and stop spying on Americans in violation of the Constitution; I think.

I think we disagree on ObamaCare- I think it doesn't go far enough as it doesn't create single-payor government managed, universal health care; you think it's bad.

Hey ..... 3 out of 4 or 5 ain't bad.
Informed Opinion

United States

#17650 Jul 8, 2013
James wrote:
Why is it so hard for people to realize there has to ba a better way of providing some form of health care to uninsured people that truly can't afford it. I'm not saying by any means Obama care, as it is currently written is the perfect solution to our problems. We have been stuck in so many ruts in this country that contine to only cause us to fall behind the rest of the wold in almost every way. We waist enormous sums of money and resources over the years on polices and wars that are fought for reasons we know not to be the reasons we are told. Our war on drugs is a complete failler and by some estimated cost us a total of nearly a trillion dollars a year. Our education system is nearly as bad and our health care system is falling behind the rest of the world as well. I believe if pumped money into education and health the way we have wars and bad government all these years we would still be the greatest country on earth today. How can we get back to the top ? We all have different opinions of what it will take, this is mine
Great post.

Why we can't learn from the rest of the world, I'll never understand.

Why making people carry insurance for their health care isn't just as reasonable as making people carry liability insurance for their cars, isn't obvious, is troubling.

Why we can't see that making deadbeats and freeloaders pay for their own health care, instead of dumping it off on others, is a "conservative" solution, is baffling.
Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17651 Jul 8, 2013
Obama keeps changing Obamacare, otherwise known as the Affordable Care Act with no legs, arms, or digestive system.

So Obama keeps playing with his wooden doll, sticking pins here, there, and everywhere. He keeps giving it first aid, cardiac shock, even morphine and the wooden doll keeps rotting from the inside out.
He must have never learned the precise art of voodoo.


"Administration makes another ObamaCare change, relaxes standards for subsidies."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/08/ad...
Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17652 Jul 8, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
Why we can't learn from the rest of the world, I'll never understand.
Why making people carry insurance for their health care isn't just as reasonable as making people carry liability insurance for their cars, isn't obvious, is troubling.
Why we can't see that making deadbeats and freeloaders pay for their own health care, instead of dumping it off on others, is a "conservative" solution, is baffling.

Well, because the rest of the world is behind us, want to be us, keep coming here to live, want our women, our cars, our beaches, but especially our hospitals and our fine medical care with many of the best doctors in the world.

Your insurance comparison sentence is a bird dog that won't hunt. Hello!, a difference between liability and collision.

And your last dog won't hunt either. Deadbeats and freeloaders won't pay a penny as they will be subsidized(other taxpayers their way.)

If I was you, I would shoot those dogs, they aint worth anything.

James

Blue Ridge, GA

#17653 Jul 8, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, because the rest of the world is behind us, want to be us, keep coming here to live, want our women, our cars, our beaches, but especially our hospitals and our fine medical care with many of the best doctors in the world.
Your insurance comparison sentence is a bird dog that won't hunt. Hello!, a difference between liability and collision.
And your last dog won't hunt either. Deadbeats and freeloaders won't pay a penny as they will be subsidized(other taxpayers their way.)
If I was you, I would shoot those dogs, they aint worth anything.
We carry auto insurance because if you don't have it and something goes wrong it hurts other people as well as yourself. The same applies to people without health insurance, if you ever need medical attention, minor surgery or something catastrophic, currently your cost also includes other people's cost that had no insurance. It not complicated.
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#17654 Jul 8, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>Well, because the rest of the world is behind us, want to be us, keep coming here to live, want our women, our cars, our beaches, but especially our hospitals and our fine medical care with many of the best doctors in the world.

Your insurance comparison sentence is a bird dog that won't hunt. Hello!, a difference between liability and collision.

And your last dog won't hunt either. Deadbeats and freeloaders won't pay a penny as they will be subsidized(other taxpayers their way.)

If I was you, I would shoot those dogs, they aint worth anything.
Those dogs not only hunt, they tree those silly arguments against universal healthcare.

Freeloading Deadbeats are the only ones who can logically be against universal healthcare.

Let's see:
- If you already are insured, you're mot a freeloading deadbeat, nothing changes - so no problem;
- If you don't want to be a freeloading deadbeat, but can't afford it insurance, your insurance is subsidized, so you'll love it;
- If you believe everyone should be responsible for themselves, then you want others to insure themselves and their families - so you'll love it;

Conclusion:

Unless you want to be a freeloading deadbeat - you'll love universal healthcare insurance - and as ObamaCare is the closet thing available - you'll love it.

But if you want to be a freeloading deadbeat .....
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#17655 Jul 8, 2013
James wrote:
<quoted text>We carry auto insurance because if you don't have it and something goes wrong it hurts other people as well as yourself. The same applies to people without health insurance, if you ever need medical attention, minor surgery or something catastrophic, currently your cost also includes other people's cost that had no insurance. It not complicated.
Great post.

I am so tired of supporting those freeloading deadbeats who refuse to insure themselves and their families, them show up at the E.R. demanding we pay to save their, or their kids' lives.

After they walk away with free health care, that we taxpayers and insured people pay for, they start whining that others are "forcing" them to be personally responsible.

How the hell can any person who calls themselves "conservative" be against demanding people exercise personal responsibility ?
Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17656 Jul 8, 2013
James wrote:
<quoted text>
We carry auto insurance because if you don't have it and something goes wrong it hurts other people as well as yourself. The same applies to people without health insurance, if you ever need medical attention, minor surgery or something catastrophic, currently your cost also includes other people's cost that had no insurance. It not complicated.

Perhaps you and IO can give us some clue how you compare auto insurance with health insurance. Apparently it's complicated enough you two don't understand the difference. So please tell us the similarities that make them the same.

Ever heard of uninsured motorist coverage??
Do you understand the difference between collision and liability insurance?
wandering

West Palm Beach, FL

#17657 Jul 8, 2013
johnny is the man
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#17658 Jul 8, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps you and IO can give us some clue how you compare auto insurance with health insurance. Apparently it's complicated enough you two don't understand the difference. So please tell us the similarities that make them the same.

Ever heard of uninsured motorist coverage??
Do you understand the difference between collision and liability insurance?
Let me suggest a very easy analogy.

In Florida, and many states, you are required to carry both liability and PIP insurance.

The liability insurance is to assure that should your motor vehicle cause damage to others, there is insurance to pay for such damage.

That way, when some poor schmuck is put in the hospital or requires medical care, through the negligent operation of your vehicle. the taxpayers and those who carry insurance won't be required to pay the hospital and medical bills you should be responsible for.

That's called personal responsibility.

Additionally, many states require you carry PIP insurance that directly pays the hospital and medical bills, of you and your passengers, caused by, or resulting from the operation of your motor vehicle, regardless of whether such operation is negligent or not, so that the taxpayers and those who carry insurance, aren't forced to pay the hospital and medical bills you should be responsible for.

That's called personal responsibility.

Now ObamaCare also requires you carry health insurance so that when you or your children are injured or ill, the taxpayers and those who carry insurance, aren't forced to pay the hospital and medical bills that you should be responsible for.

That's also called personal responsibility.

I hope that is helpful.
Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17659 Jul 8, 2013
@ IO

"Those dogs not only hunt, they tree those silly arguments against universal healthcare."

Sorry IO, but your dogs are nothing but sooner dogs. Don't know the difference between a rat (universal insurance) and the best healthcare system in the world. Besides Obamacare is not universal healthcare, so your dog’s just keep right on barking up the wrong tree. Useless dogs they are too.


"Freeloading Deadbeats are the only ones who can logically be against universal healthcare."

Yep, thanks to your Godhead Obama (you did vote for him) those deadbeats include 11 million illegals we know about, but some estimate there are 20-30 million.


“Let's see:
- If you already are insured, you're mot a freeloading deadbeat, nothing changes - so no problem;”

Those sorry dogs are barking up a wrong tree again, everyone’s insurance rates will go up.

“- If you don't want to be a freeloading deadbeat, but can't afford it insurance, your insurance is subsidized, so you'll love it;”

Yep, subsidizing is an Obama specialty with my money, your money, and everyone’s money. We already do that with indigent emergency care (those with no insurance,) but our taxes will go even higher with Obamacare.

“- If you believe everyone should be responsible for themselves, then you want others to insure themselves and their families - so you'll love it;”

Yep, but with Obamacare, it’s not going to happen. The young and healthy will probably forego Obamacare, small business will cut back hours worked so the lower paid individuals will be subsidized with our tax money if they want insurance (but still will pay some out of pocket, food off the table.)

“Conclusion:”

Your dogs are still useless as are your arguments,“dead in the water” comparisons.

“Unless you want to be a freeloading deadbeat - you'll love universal healthcare insurance - and as ObamaCare is the closet thing available - you'll love it.”

You are correct, Obamacare is a closet thing, he didn’t bring it out of the closet even when the demos rammed it through congress, with the help of some rinos. Now that it’s out of the closet we find it has the smell of skunk all over it and your sorry dogs can’t even smell it.
If you love higher health insurance cost with less health care coverage, delays, and a board which chooses what is covered and what is not, vote for Obamacare. The least coverage with the most cost.

“But if you want to be a freeloading deadbeat .....‘

Join IO and his merry band of useless dogs that can’t sniff a rat when in their face.

Who

Dahlonega, GA

#17660 Jul 8, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>

I hope that is helpful.

No, it's not helpful at all. In fact there are no similarities.

With Obamacare it is NOT mandatory, there is a monetary penalty only for not having it. A penalty and mandatory is not equal, the same thing, or any other word you want to use.

In those States with auto insurance requirements, it is mandatory to get a tag and a drivers license. In addition if your auto insurance lapses, you can not only be fined with a ticket but your license can be revoked, go to jail, and get tied up in our court system and wish you were never born.

Kill those sorry dogs you have! or better yet trade them in for some cats. The cats will recognize a rat real fast.








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