Who

Baldwin, GA

#17519 Jul 7, 2013
folks like you wrote:
<quoted text>
I have friends in Canada, Italy, New Zealand and Costa Rica who say its the best thing going, ALL of them are from the U.S. Its the most common form of health care in the world, and they are all rated higher by the W.H.O. than the U.S. Keep believing the fairytale, corporate American just loves you.

You are using a socialists organization as a reference?? ROFL.

A man of the world are you?? ROFL.

Well now, I am Who and I rate socialist medicine poor as compared to American medical care. And I don't need to quote imaginary friends to support my opinion.
Too bad you think so little of your opinion that you need to create friends to try and bolster a sorry position.


Who

Baldwin, GA

#17520 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is so far to the right he nudges Bush.
Lets see...
- Bush started the idiotic Iraq War ... Obama still has troops there;
- Bush started bombing civilians with drones...Obama still does and has killed dozens more than Bush;
- Bush started that War Crime called Guantanamo...Obama keeps it open(
- Bush started subcontracting illegal killing to mercenaries... Obama maintains the same policy;
- Bush secretly assassinated Americans he claimed were "enemy combatants" in some idiotically described "war", on a "battlefield" that includes Sheboygan, Wisconsin and Little Rock, Arkansas...Obama claims the same "authority";
- Bush replaced U.S. Attorneys with Right Wing Wackos... Obama kept 'em;
- Bush turned the country's economy over to Wall Street Banksters... Obama did the same thing;
- Bush allowed the Bankters to steal trillions from Americans, destroy the economy, make millions homeless, and collect bonuses for their traitorous doings...Obama refused to prosecute the Banksters, letting them keep the money and avoid prison;
- Bush pursued "Whistleblowers" who told Americans of their governments crimes and misconduct...Obama prosecutes 5X more Whistleblowers than Bush;
- Bush trampled on the international rights sovereign nations...Obama just forced down a foreign president's official plane,(imagine if Air Force One was forced down and searched);
- Bush took millions from corporations that paid to avoid regulations...Obama has taken more;
and on and on.
Obama, like all Right Wingers, likes to talk about gays and guns, but, like all Right Wingers, he knows what's important and it's called m.o.n.e.y. and p.o.w.e.r.
Gays and guns are around just to be distracting shiny objects to fascinate the masses while the money and power is deposited in the 0.5%.

Obama has a secret weapon in you. With your droning on and on about Bush, Obama could send you on missions as the ultimate Drone against terrorists.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17521 Jul 7, 2013
PLEASE wrote:
<quoted text>

But its the Republicans, mainly conservatives who are the ones focused on getting the masses to look away from what really matters. They are turning to issues like gay marriage, abortion & gun control to keep the base clueless and happy. The conservative masses just look at that and only that and ignore what really matters to us as a nation of so called free people. If you are a conservative and actually believe what you said about the rich 5%, the ball is and has been in your court, do something with it, please!

A convoluted post that needs clarifying, at least to me.

To clarify one point, your post is against conservatives, as the repub party caters to conservatives; while the democratic party caters to socialists.

And you really think abortion, gays, and guns control are a side issue?? How clueless can one be?

And then you post some dribble about what really matters to Americans, but fail to identify what it is and how it matters to a free people.

At least it's easy to get the socialist points from IO with a lot of dribble, but your posts ramble around in a briar patch and mostly don't even connect with reality.
danger zone

Atlanta, GA

#17522 Jul 7, 2013
folks like you wrote:
<quoted text>
I have friends in Canada, Italy, New Zealand and Costa Rica who say its the best thing going, ALL of them are from the U.S. Its the most common form of health care in the world, and they are all rated higher by the W.H.O. than the U.S. Keep believing the fairytale, corporate American just loves you.
With lung, breast, bowel, skin cancer rates expected to quadruple over the next 15-20 years, you'd be wise to keep a good private health plan. The very best you can afford, actually. While I'm not predicting you'll be stricken, the odds do stack up against us. Since it's so obvious you believe the Obamacare fairytale, you be sure to DEMAND the IPABs seek the very best cancer treatment options available to you. You DEMAND they pay for a second opinion, you DEMAND to change doctors/facilities if you aren't happy. You DEMAND to be bumped up on the waiting list for surgeries & other treatment. You DEMAND it, darn it... And if you live long enough, you'll see your premiums skyrocket to the moon... It's FOLKS LIKE YOU who believe in the Obamacare fairytale, you actually believe Obama "loves you."
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#17523 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>Obama has a secret weapon in you. With your droning on and on about Bush, Obama could send you on missions as the ultimate Drone against terrorists.
Let's see..

There is a clearly worded, factually supported, objective analysis that demonstrates that, for all practical purposes, Bush and Obama are clones...

and you perceive it as an attack on Bush.

Perhaps you should re-evaluate who has the obsession with Bush- as you seem to be way too defensive.

But hey... thanks for agreeing with the substance of the post, glad to see you accept Bush and Obama are Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum when it comes to the things that matter.

and
Informed Opinion

United States

#17524 Jul 7, 2013
folks like you wrote:
<quoted text>I have friends in Canada, Italy, New Zealand and Costa Rica who say its the best thing going, ALL of them are from the U.S. Its the most common form of health care in the world, and they are all rated higher by the W.H.O. than the U.S. Keep believing the fairytale, corporate American just loves you.
Great post.

My experience is similar.

But wait to be attacked because reality plays no role in our Right Wing friends' determinations.

Ask them how many countries with government run single payor health care have reverted to the American system ...(Answer -None).

Apparently government run/single payor health care is very popular in the countries that have adopted it - which is the entire industrialized world,(except us).
Informed Opinion

United States

#17525 Jul 7, 2013
PLEASE wrote:
<quoted text>1st, Obama had no choice but continue the Bush wars. He actually did pass some legislation to control Wall Street that the Republicans are hot to repeal. Any other good legislation has been stonewalled by the Tea Party. Obama talks about gays and guns while conservatives pass laws and spend time try to pass more legislation on abortion, gays and guns. The 1st 90% of your post is hogwash!

BUT we agree 100% about the money and power. The rich 5% are running the country while the majority of us stick our collective heads in the sand and concentrate on stupid social issues as the powerful gain more control and more money.

But its the Republicans, mainly conservatives who are the ones focused on getting the masses to look away from what really matters. They are turning to issues like gay marriage, abortion & gun control to keep the base clueless and happy. The conservative masses just look at that and only that and ignore what really matters to us as a nation of so called free people. If you are a conservative and actually believe what you said about the rich 5%, the ball is and has been in your court, do something with it, please!
Great post.

Those shiny objects just keep the Right Wingers and the Left Wingers completely transfixed.

All the reactionaries have to do is mention abortion, gun, or gays, and the Right Wing and Left Wing take their attention completely off the "money and power" issues.

Imagine, a "secret" court interpreting law and issuing warrants; a president who claims the right to assassinate your child, and a tax policy that has resulted in more income equality in Belarus than in the United States; and the battle is over whether you can have a 30 round magazine or a 10 round magazine in your AR-15A2.

Hopefully, we cone to our senses before our children or grandchildren hate is for surrendering their freedoms and their quality of life while we bicker over silly "shiny objects."
Informed Opinion

United States

#17526 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>You are using a socialists organization as a reference?? ROFL.

A man of the world are you?? ROFL.

Well now, I am Who and I rate socialist medicine poor as compared to American medical care. And I don't need to quote imaginary friends to support my opinion.
Too bad you think so little of your opinion that you need to create friends to try and bolster a sorry position.
Great.

Let's immediately shut down Medicare, Medicare Part D, and throw those old farts our of the nursing homes occupying those Medicaid beds.

After all- we can't have that Socialist Medicine and worship the God of Unregulated Capitalism.
Informed Opinion

United States

#17527 Jul 7, 2013
PLEASE wrote:
<quoted text>1st, Obama had no choice but continue the Bush wars. He actually did pass some legislation to control Wall Street that the Republicans are hot to repeal. Any other good legislation has been stonewalled by the Tea Party. Obama talks about gays and guns while conservatives pass laws and spend time try to pass more legislation on abortion, gays and guns. The 1st 90% of your post is hogwash!

BUT we agree 100% about the money and power. The rich 5% are running the country while the majority of us stick our collective heads in the sand and concentrate on stupid social issues as the powerful gain more control and more money.

But its the Republicans, mainly conservatives who are the ones focused on getting the masses to look away from what really matters. They are turning to issues like gay marriage, abortion & gun control to keep the base clueless and happy. The conservative masses just look at that and only that and ignore what really matters to us as a nation of so called free people. If you are a conservative and actually believe what you said about the rich 5%, the ball is and has been in your court, do something with it, please!
At least it's entertaining to watch those enjoying socialist Medicare, Medicare Part D drugs, Medicaid nursing home beds for their parents, V.A. Medical benefits, and Tri-Care for themselves or their families complain about Socialist government run health care.

Either they cannot grasp the hypocrisy, or are simply greedy they just don't want to share. We'll let them chose- are they ignorant or just selfish.
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17528 Jul 7, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you support drone strikes in a foreign country to deal with a terrorist threat?
On foreign terrorists, Yes. On American citizens in a foreign country, No. I would prefer the use of drones to be limited to intelligence gathering all together. I believe it's really just not the American way to kill innocent people, just because they're live near a terrorist. Only in the movies do we shoot through the victim to get to the bad guy, because in real life the good guys used to have morals.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17529 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
My experience is similar.
But wait to be attacked because reality plays no role in our Right Wing friends' determinations.
Ask them how many countries with government run single payor health care have reverted to the American system ...(Answer -None).
Apparently government run/single payor health care is very popular in the countries that have adopted it - which is the entire industrialized world,(except us).

Exaggeration is typical of those who do no research. BTW, you forgot to blame the 2 clones.

The socialist countries you mentioned have 3 different plans of socialized medicine.

Single Payer, Two-Tier, and Insurance Mandate.

You will notice at the link I give, there are a number of big player countries NOT listed.

You will also notice many of the countries listed are way over their head in debt, just like America. The UK already has cut back billions for health care, guess Who's going to pay for the cuts? Individuals who want health care.

Socialized medicine is nothing more than Government control of health care and any sensible person knows government wastes $10 for every dollar spent, your money.

I would rather spend my money with insurance companies, knowing I'm getting good health care, than with the government who wastes it.




Who

Baldwin, GA

#17530 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great.
Let's immediately shut down Medicare, Medicare Part D, and throw those old farts our of the nursing homes occupying those Medicaid beds.
After all- we can't have that Socialist Medicine and worship the God of Unregulated Capitalism.

And while we are at it, let's eliminate all government employees retirement plans. Why? Because they don't deserve it. Bunch of free-loaders.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17531 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
At least it's entertaining to watch those enjoying socialist Medicare, Medicare Part D drugs, Medicaid nursing home beds for their parents, V.A. Medical benefits, and Tri-Care for themselves or their families complain about Socialist government run health care.
Either they cannot grasp the hypocrisy, or are simply greedy they just don't want to share. We'll let them chose- are they ignorant or just selfish.

What's really entertaining is watching socialist commies keep banging their heads against common sense and keep coming up on the losing end.


Who

Baldwin, GA

#17532 Jul 7, 2013
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17533 Jul 7, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>On foreign terrorists, Yes. On American citizens in a foreign country, No. I would prefer the use of drones to be limited to intelligence gathering all together. I believe it's really just not the American way to kill innocent people, just because they're live near a terrorist. Only in the movies do we shoot through the victim to get to the bad guy, because in real life the good guys used to have morals.

And wore white hats.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17534 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see..
There is a clearly worded, factually supported, objective analysis that demonstrates that, for all practical purposes, Bush and Obama are clones...
and you perceive it as an attack on Bush.
Perhaps you should re-evaluate who has the obsession with Bush- as you seem to be way too defensive.
But hey... thanks for agreeing with the substance of the post, glad to see you accept Bush and Obama are Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum when it comes to the things that matter.
and

If I remember correctly, you used to be a big supported of Obama. But after reading supporting documentation about Obama's failures posted by conservatives, you have made a turn around and now classify him with Bush.
Typical hypocritical socialist ploy to try and fool conservatives into believing you have common sense. A Thomas Paine you are not.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17535 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
Those shiny objects just keep the Right Wingers and the Left Wingers completely transfixed.
All the reactionaries have to do is mention abortion, gun, or gays, and the Right Wing and Left Wing take their attention completely off the "money and power" issues.
Imagine, a "secret" court interpreting law and issuing warrants; a president who claims the right to assassinate your child, and a tax policy that has resulted in more income equality in Belarus than in the United States; and the battle is over whether you can have a 30 round magazine or a 10 round magazine in your AR-15A2.
Hopefully, we cone to our senses before our children or grandchildren hate is for surrendering their freedoms and their quality of life while we bicker over silly "shiny objects."

You two are a pair, WEALTH ENVY. To y'all, it's all about money, money, money. Which equals greed, greed, greed.

For a person who has lived of tax dollars all of your life, I would expect nothing less.


OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17536 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
And wore white hats.
They sure did.
Scott

Twinsburg, OH

#17537 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
If I remember correctly, you used to be a big supported of Obama. But after reading supporting documentation about Obama's failures posted by conservatives, you have made a turn around and now classify him with Bush.
Typical hypocritical socialist ploy to try and fool conservatives into believing you have common sense. A Thomas Paine you are not.
By comparing Obama to Bush, I.O. has found a way a way to show the ultimate insult to Bush. My friends in Finland, Russia, Germany and Peck, Kansas all think I.O. is a pain but, not a Thomas Paine.
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17538 Jul 7, 2013
Scott wrote:
<quoted text>
By comparing Obama to Bush, I.O. has found a way a way to show the ultimate insult to Bush. My friends in Finland, Russia, Germany and Peck, Kansas all think I.O. is a pain but, not a Thomas Paine.
You obviously haven't been followin this thread from the beginning. IO has always said that Obama was only the slightly less evil version of Bush. Bush's stupidity and greed can't be compared to anyone, as he was the worst President ever.

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