Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#10787 May 13, 2013
danger zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Why so much anger? Now, you speak of parasites & corpses in ditches? Rein in the thoughts of darkness & death. Have another cup of kool aid & rein it in!!!!

Is he still salivating?

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#10788 May 13, 2013
Laughing at U wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you suppose part of the problem is that the big corporations, in their incessant greed, have moved too many jobs overseas and cut others to the bone? Think maybe that most companies are more worried about squeezing out a few more cents instead of what is best for the country?
Naw.. couldn't be.
Give a person a fish and they'll be hungry in a day. Teach them to fish and they'll have food. But send all those fishing jobs overseas and what do you have? Corporate America.
Yes, it's part of the problem, but do you know why it's done? Are you familiar with how business really works? Do YOU think unions may have an impact on things?

As I've posted MANY times before, a public corporation is responsible to it's shareholders, NOT it's employees, the country, or government. It's the real world.

Do some research on the fiduciary responsibility of public company officers and the Board of Directors, perhaps you'll understand better what I'm saying.

Short story as an example: If I'm CFO of a public company (which I was and had a situation quite similar to this example) and my company (a union shop) can make a widget for $10 a unit in my shop (the same cost as my competitor across town), or have it made for $7 per unit in another country (including shipping, etc. to get the product here), which am I going to choose? If I choose the $7 per unit cost, I can have a lower price (improving my market share) compared to my competitor, or if I have the same selling price (obviously) I can have a higher profit per unit than my competitor. If I choose the $10 per unit cost, my profits won't be as high, etc. Follow?

If I don't do what's best for the Company (the $7 cost), very likely I will be sued by shareholders and, oh yeah, they'll fire me and find someone else that will do it.

Do you own any stocks? Do you want the companies you (may) own to do as well as possible? Or do you want them to be beholden to their employees (which might also be stockholders)?

You're getting at the tip of the iceberg, but you have a bit to learn and/or understand...
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#10789 May 13, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>A race to the bottom, while redistributing the wealth upwards, resulting in a ghetto wave electing a Black Man to the White House, twice. It's all those nonproductive nonwhite voters, it couldn't be anything else.
Great post.
danger zone

Decatur, GA

#10790 May 13, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
Is he still salivating?
I'm sure of it.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#10791 May 13, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe we can repair some if the damage the Right Wing Wackos caused the last time they were in charge.

"maybe we can repair some of the damage"

I've seen no repair jobs anywhere, has anyone else??
4 years and still no repairs, 4 years of more debt, 4 years of more BS, 4 years of nothing except flowery speeches.

4 years of hope and change and all IO can come up with is "maybe."

This may explain his anger and all the other libturds anger. They were promised "hope and change", and what they got is more taxes, more and higher health costs, unemployment numbers that refuse to go down except for government payroll, a failure to protect our embassies, a weasel for a president,and a lot of disillusioned Obama voters.



Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#10792 May 13, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it's part of the problem, but do you know why it's done? Are you familiar with how business really works? Do YOU think unions may have an impact on things?
As I've posted MANY times before, a public corporation is responsible to it's shareholders, NOT it's employees, the country, or government. It's the real world.
Do some research on the fiduciary responsibility of public company officers and the Board of Directors, perhaps you'll understand better what I'm saying.
Short story as an example: If I'm CFO of a public company (which I was and had a situation quite similar to this example) and my company (a union shop) can make a widget for $10 a unit in my shop (the same cost as my competitor across town), or have it made for $7 per unit in another country (including shipping, etc. to get the product here), which am I going to choose? If I choose the $7 per unit cost, I can have a lower price (improving my market share) compared to my competitor, or if I have the same selling price (obviously) I can have a higher profit per unit than my competitor. If I choose the $10 per unit cost, my profits won't be as high, etc. Follow?
If I don't do what's best for the Company (the $7 cost), very likely I will be sued by shareholders and, oh yeah, they'll fire me and find someone else that will do it.
Do you own any stocks? Do you want the companies you (may) own to do as well as possible? Or do you want them to be beholden to their employees (which might also be stockholders)?
You're getting at the tip of the iceberg, but you have a bit to learn and/or understand...
+1 Great post. The LLSC's will throw insults. They do that when they don't understand.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10793 May 13, 2013
guest wrote:
NEWSFLASH-
Police, Firemen, Teachers and all other 'state workers' who receive a paycheck from the government are "TAKERS" and not "MAKERS" That's right folks if you don't work in the private sector you are completely government dependent and are a drain on the economy….scum I tell ya'. Who in the hell do you think you are any how? You don't contribute one damn thing to society. You are according to "Aggie" herself (I mean who could be more authoritative than that. "those who have realized that they can have a pretty good lifestyle without working for it - if they just know how to work the system." You don't even work for your hand out.
The proof is right here in a Forbes magazine article -
<"A writer at Forbes Magazine has identified a phenomenon called the “death spiral states.” Sounds intimidating, right? Fox Business Network’s Melissa Francis broke down what you need to know on America Live today.
The category includes 11 states where private sector workers are outnumbered by people who are dependent on the government. That number would include state workers, and people who are receiving welfare or pension. For example, in California the ratio of “takers versus makers” is bigger than one. If you own
a software company that employs 100 people, you’re supporting 139 other people in the state who are on the “takers” list.">
And you just gotta see those two from Fox news chatting about it. It's right there in the link.
It's a "Death Spiral" I tell ya'- heck what could sound more ominous than that- Oh "Death Panels"…..ooops
Yep you can take that information to the bank folks because 'Aggie' herself has posted two mind you, not one but two, opinion blogs. It's only private workers who count in this society. Ayan Rand would be so darned proud to know that her work is alive and well in the vacuous minds of the backwater blogs of the nation. Remember now all you fundamentalist Christians AND boy scouts. "Altruism is the enemy of capitalism"
....
Okay, so apparently the first time didn't post - here's take two:

Obviously, I should have done a better job of differentiating the two main points I was making.

Sorry you didn't get the point of separating private sector vs public sector jobs. Neither the Federal, the state, nor local governments "earn" money with which to pay their "employees" - that money must come from the taxpayer. And those government entities have shown no inclination to cut costs and trim budgets in the face of the economic reality of unsustainability. Do those public sector employees pay taxes - yes, but not sufficient to fund the overly inflated pension plans that unions have managed to "negotiate" with, in too many cases, all too supportive government representatives. California is a great example, it is facing a $1 trillion dollar debt, much of it based on insane pension plans and looks to saddle each household with an $80,000 bill. The point of one of those articles was how a state can stop the downward spiral - how does it improve its "credit"? How do states overcome these debts? Do what the Federal govt needs to do - cut spending and tighten its belt. It must also encourage businesses to come there and create jobs. But what is California doing - raising taxes. New York has recognized the economic growth spur that lowering taxes for businesses proves to be and is advertising its new tax plans on television.

The other point is that entitlement spending is unsustainable and must be drastically reformed. When non-Social Security entitlement spending takes 42% of the federal budget - we have a problem. No one is saying no to help those who truly need it, but when the Federal govt spends $3 million dollars to advertise the Food Stamp program (much of that advertising occurring in Mexico??) anyone with an ounce of sense must realize there is something wrong with the mindset of those in charge of the program - and that is only one example.
guest

United States

#10794 May 13, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
You should add that if collective bargaining has allowed the damn parasites like Firefighters and Police Officers to have decent pay and ... Gasp ... pensions .... The answer is to take away those benefits .... Don't demand more people get decent wages and benefits.
We can't have an American Middle Class where employees reap any benefits from the highest profits in modern history.
Why, that's be com'nist
Yep- The so called "free market" will take care of all that doncha know. They exist in an echo chamber made of Rearden steel. bwonnnggg
The third and fourth generation Randians still think that 'Objectivism' is a legitimate philosophy. They cant accept that Rand was bat sh*t crazy and that John Galt wasn't a real person.
danger zone

Decatur, GA

#10795 May 13, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems more like you should worry about that dark skinned ghetto wave about to wash over you.


You are the Queen of spin & flip. Somebody grab the crown & sceptre.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#10796 May 13, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
+1 Great post. The LLSC's will throw insults. They do that when they don't understand.
You're not surprised, are you? Nah, I didn't think so.

It's almost like trying to explain something about life to a child (no, I'm not being insulting here), they just aren't old enough and haven't experienced enough to know what's going on. So many people don't understand how business works, they just want their security and want to blame "the man". They don't understand the big picture.

Ever notice how people at lower levels of a company like to bitch about those further up the "food chain" (bosses and management) and how those people don't know what the heck is going on and how to run the company? Sometimes, they're correct, the vast majority of the time, they're clueless and uneducated on how to run things...
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#10797 May 13, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>"In 11 states, those receiving govt benefits outnumber the number of taxpayers in the private sector. 7 of those states voted for Obama. In California, there are 139 people receiving govt benefits for every 100 private sector workers."

I love the spin, comparisons to "private sector workers" only.

"In 12 years, food stamp recipients has tripled from 17 million in 2000 to nearly 47 million today."

I love the spin, it simply unimaginable that during a deep worstest recession that the number of those seeking assistance would increase.

Come back when you've got something worthwhile to contribute.
Right Wing Wackos always like to pretend that the money they receive isn't welfare.

They like to pretend they aren't dependent on the government - but they collect lots more in benefits than they can possibly pay, and others have to pay more, so you pay less.

It's the usual Right Wing Wacko hypocrisy. When the government cash and benefits go to them it ain't welfare - when they go to anyone else - it is.

- When you deduct the "donation" to your church - you're collecting welfare;

- When you deduct the interest payments on your mortgage - you're collecting welfare;

- When you claim your kids as dependents - you're collecting welfare;

- when you take child care credit - you're collecting welfare;

- if you're a farmer - you're collecting welfare;

- When your kid gets a student loan or grant - you're collecting welfare;

- When the FDIC or FSLIC protects you life savings, or keeps you from losing your life savings when the bank goes bad - you're collecting welfare;

- When the PBGC protects your pension from bankruptcy - you're collecting welfare;

- When your kid attends public school - you're collecting welfare;

- When you pay capital gains tax rates instead of earned income rates - you're collecting welfare;

- When you depreciate investment properties for tax purposes on a schedule, that in reality haven't depreciated at all - you're collecting welfare;

- When you're avoid taxes by claiming the exemption on $250K for capital gains on your residence - you're collecting welfare;

- When you deduct that donation to your Right Wing Wacko school, church, or college - you're collecting welfare;

- When your Mom gets that bed in the nursing home at the Medicaid rate - your collecting welfare;

- When you're kid gets free lunch at school - you're collecting welfare;

- When your Social Security and Medicare checks and benefits exceed your personal contribution - you're collecting welfare;

- When Obama Care makes an insurance company, to keep you alive, pay over the old lifetime limit - you're collecting welfare;

- When police, fire, or medical assistance responds to save your or your family - you're collecting welfare;

- When you fish on a TVA lake, or get subsidized electricity from the TVA - your collecting welfare;

- When you take advantage if State and National forests and parks - you're collecting welfare;

- When you use the FAA and NTSB and airports to fly - you're collecting welfare;

- add a few hundred other instances when the average American collects welfare.

Yep, Right Wing Wackos - lips firmly attached to the government teat - while they tell us all how everyone else is the problem.

Amazingly - they're insane enough, or dumb enough to believe their own lies.
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#10798 May 13, 2013
Bored wrote:
" GEORGE WILL: A week ago, Mr. Carney - who's usefulness to this administration is diminishing rapidly - a week ago he said Benghazi was a long time ago as if it was the Punic Wars. This is a very live issue, because we now know three things.

We know that Mr. Hicks, the night of the attack, speaking from Libya, said pretty much what it was, an armed interaction, not a movie review conducted with rocket-propelled grenades and mortars.

Five days later on this program and on four other Sunday morning programs, the idea of an exceptionally boisterous movie review was still the administration's position.

And then, 14 days after the attack, at the UN, it was the same thing.

We started out with three arguments. Was security lax in Benghazi? Demonstrably. Could forces have been there to rescue them? Doubtful. Has the nation been systemically misled? Certainly.

Now, we need a select committee in congress because the State Department's misnamed accountability review board neglected to interview even the secretary of state."
Recent reports indicate the Right Wing Wacko Republicans lied the country into War, resulting in the death of 1000 thousand times more American than were killed by Right Wing Wackos in Libya, and $6,000,000,000,000.00 in debt.

Right Wing Wackos report that as soon as they investigate whether Hillary Clinton used a Bic pen, of a Sheaffer pen, to scratch her ear prior to the last set of useless Right Wing Wacko With Hunt hearings, they'll get around to holding Bush and his Gang of War Criminals accountable.

Rep. John Boehner commented, when asked why no investigations are planned into the 13 attacks against embassy and consulates, that resulted in 15 times more deaths than in Libya stating:

"This is all a joke to entertain those insipidly stupid enough to to us seriously - only a moron doesn't understand that".

The nation holds its breath. Not.

danger zone

Decatur, GA

#10799 May 13, 2013
A probe has uncovered the Justice Dept. tapping at least 20 phone lines of Associated Press editors & reporters. More really, really bad news for the White House. Oooops.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#10800 May 13, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
You're not surprised, are you? Nah, I didn't think so.
It's almost like trying to explain something about life to a child (no, I'm not being insulting here), they just aren't old enough and haven't experienced enough to know what's going on. So many people don't understand how business works, they just want their security and want to blame "the man". They don't understand the big picture.
Ever notice how people at lower levels of a company like to bitch about those further up the "food chain" (bosses and management) and how those people don't know what the heck is going on and how to run the company? Sometimes, they're correct, the vast majority of the time, they're clueless and uneducated on how to run things...
Agree. Your last paragraph nails it. We've ALL heard people say that their boss is clueless. Yeah, that explains WHY he/she is the boss. It's because he/she is STUPID. Riiiiight. That always makes me chuckle.
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#10801 May 13, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>Coming from the guy who links to websites that recommend a military coup to take care of the "Obama Problem" and to websites funded and ran by Big Oil.

Ironic gets thrown around a lot around here - but this is the definitive example.
Please haven't you figured it out yet - Right Wing Wackos hate America, they love to send our troops to fight and die in foreign lands for no particular purpose, and they never ever pick up the bill to pay for anything.

They're kinda like everyone's drunk Uncle Joe, he'd like to contribute his share, but he hasn't had a job in years, and he's busy because he borrowed a car from his neighbor, and he's headed down to the Social Security Office to demand a higher cost of living increase and protest Socialism.

Thank God, like children, they're ironically entertaining.
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#10802 May 13, 2013
columbus native wrote:
I do declare folks,it's war. There is no reason to try and reason with a narrow minded republican. Watch the movie walking dead and there they all are coming at us from different directions, disfigured and mumbling about bush as we mow them down walking bent over. They have'nt got brains anymore and all of us independents dems green party let's keep mowiing them down cause I think they kill and eat everyone they catch!
Great analogy.

Unless you object, we'll have to add the "Living Dead" description into the Right Wing Wacko theme.

Although claiming the living dead zombies are similar to Right Wing Wackos may not be fair.

At least zombies are silent and don't say insipidly stupid and boring things while they try to destroy the country.

And zombies are obviously a hell of a lot smarter.
guest

United States

#10803 May 13, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, so apparently the first time didn't post - here's take two:
Obviously, I should have done a better job of differentiating the two main points I was making.
Sorry you didn't get the point of separating private sector vs public sector jobs. Neither the Federal, the state, nor local governments "earn" money with which to pay their "employees" - that money must come from the taxpayer. And those government entities have shown no inclination to cut costs and trim budgets in the face of the economic reality of unsustainability. Do those public sector employees pay taxes - yes, but not sufficient to fund the overly inflated pension plans that unions have managed to "negotiate" with, in too many cases, all too supportive government representatives. California is a great example, it is facing a $1 trillion dollar debt, much of it based on insane pension plans and looks to saddle each household with an $80,000 bill. The point of one of those articles was how a state can stop the downward spiral - how does it improve its "credit"? How do states overcome these debts? Do what the Federal govt needs to do - cut spending and tighten its belt. It must also encourage businesses to come there and create jobs. But what is California doing - raising taxes. New York has recognized the economic growth spur that lowering taxes for businesses proves to be and is advertising its new tax plans on television.
The other point is that entitlement spending is unsustainable and must be drastically reformed. When non-Social Security entitlement spending takes 42% of the federal budget - we have a problem. No one is saying no to help those who truly need it, but when the Federal govt spends $3 million dollars to advertise the Food Stamp program (much of that advertising occurring in Mexico??) anyone with an ounce of sense must realize there is something wrong with the mindset of those in charge of the program - and that is only one example.
Yak Yak Yak. The bottom line is that your examples boiled it all down the incredibly simplistic notion of "Takers and Makers" as if that is sufficient to explain the economy and the conservative push, at all costs (including shutting down the U.S. government) to cut cut cut government. It has been shown over and over that supply side economics hasn't worked. It has also been shown that the most significant and cited study (Reinhart and Rogoff) advocating the recent austerity meme was based on flawed data, so it is useless. Give your dog eared copy of "Atlas Shrugged" to the next pimply faced kid you come across and tell her that it's an ok novel, too long, but interesting at a 10th grade level.
Oh and let's not forget the sky is falling hyperbole of "Death Spirals". I mean, it's completely laughable, but who do you think y'all are fooling. The echo chamber analogy keeps coming to mind. The Fox and Beck listeners are batted around as if the equipment on a hand ball court.
danger zone

Decatur, GA

#10804 May 13, 2013
Like I said ages ago.....the ole Zombie Dumbocrats. Can't steal that one. Get your own material, you fools.
Oh, I remember, most of you don't have an orginal thought.
guest

United States

#10805 May 13, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great analogy.
Unless you object, we'll have to add the "Living Dead" description into the Right Wing Wacko theme.
Although claiming the living dead zombies are similar to Right Wing Wackos may not be fair.
At least zombies are silent and don't say insipidly stupid and boring things while they try to destroy the country.
And zombies are obviously a hell of a lot smarter.
About 95% of it on here is just white noise that has the beat of a dryer loaded with tennis shoes set on heavy load...
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#10806 May 13, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>It could be the UNIONS that bought and paid for Obama having something to do with pushing those corportations to move jobs overseas. Yep! You need to take your concerns to the UNIONS. They are such a reasonable lot. rotfl
Thank you Lord for unions.

Thanks to a strong union, I'm enjoying my lifetime pension, my lifetime medical insurance, my lifetime cost of living increases, and according to statistics, I have another 27 years to go.

In a few years, on addition to my pension, I'll also be enjoying Socialist Security and Medicare.

Thanks to the VA government funds, I have a college and postgraduate education.

Thanks to federal student loans and grants my older kids have college and postgraduate educations too.

Thanks America.

Yep, America works for the working man or woman when Unions are strong - when they aren't- the working man is screwed.

If the Right Wing Wackos take away the opportunities from America now, so the rich and the corporations can get richer- my family will be fine.

Thank you Fraternal Order of Police and Police Benevolent Association - you did my friends and me right.

What, you don't have a pension, medical benefits, COLA increases - Well maybe you should have supported unions - then you would.

Like Mom always said: stupid people pray for stupid things - and sometimes God gives it to them.

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