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#6687 Apr 10, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.h...

The theory of evolution has proved itself in practice. It has useful applications in epidemiology, pest control, drug discovery, and other areas (Bull and Wichman 2001; Eisen and Wu 2002; Searls 2003).
Besides the theory, there is the fact of evolution, the observation that life has changed greatly over time. The fact of evolution was recognized even before Darwin's theory. The theory of evolution explains the fact.
Again, microevolution, not macro.

Also, again, intellectual and scientific honesty should necessitate the presentation of the holes in evolutionary theory. I would also state that it should necessitate the teaching of an alternative theory that has it's basis in science as well. Teach both - the pros and cons.
Glorya

Mcdonough, GA

#6688 Apr 10, 2013
Just read that the USPS has delayed the decision for a 5 day mail delivery. It doesn't matter that it's losing $25 million per day, some estimates as high as $40 million daily ... Do we have any problem solvers in Washington?
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#6689 Apr 10, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Your examples discuss microevolution, which most (probably all) do not dispute. As I stated, macroevolution is vital for support of evolution and has yet to be evidenced.
Oh, you want evidence of MacroEvolution...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...
...If every living species descended from an original species that had these four obligate functions, then all living species today should necessarily have these functions (a somewhat trivial conclusion). Most importantly, however, all modern species should have inherited the structures that perform these functions. Thus, a basic prediction of the genealogical relatedness of all life, combined with the constraint of gradualism, is that organisms should be very similar in the particular mechanisms and structures that execute these four basic life processes.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...
By studying the standard phylogenetic tree, it can be seen that every species has a unique genealogical history. Each species has a unique series of common ancestors linking it to the original common ancestor. We should expect that organisms carry evidence of this history and ancestry with them. The standard phylogenetic tree predicts what historical evidence is possible and what is impossible for each given species.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...
Opportunism and Evolutionary Constraint

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...
The Molecular Sequence Evidence

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...
Change and Mutability

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/closi...
hese previous points are all evidence of macroevolution alone; the evidence and the conclusion are independent of any specific gradualistic explanatory mechanisms for the origin and evolution of macroevolutionary adaptations. This is why scientists call universal common descent the "fact of evolution". As explained in the introduction, none of the predictions directly address how macroevolution has occurred; nevertheless, the validity of the macroevolutionary conclusion does not depend on whether Darwinism, Lamarckism (i.e. inheritance of acquired characaters), or something else is the true mechanism of adaptive evolutionary change. The macroevolutionary conclusion stands, regardless.

This point has an interesting parallel in physics. Newton's theory of universal gravitation describes a phenomenon of matter, just as macroevolution describes a phenomenon of life. The theory of universal gravitation is also independent of the specific explanatory mechanism for gravity, and in fact Newton never gave a mechanism for gravity. Why does the force between two masses follow the inverse square law and not another law (perhaps an inverse cube law)? It took nearly 300 years before any plausible mechanisms for gravity were proposed (by quantum field theorists). None of these proposed mechanisms currently have any experimental support. Additionally, theories of gravity are strictly dependent upon the concept of mass, and there currently is no empirically supported mechanism for giving mass to matter. Charles Darwin is considered such a great scientific mind because, unlike Newton and Einstein who proposed only descriptive theories, Darwin proposed both a descriptive theory and a plausible mechanism. That mechanism is, of course, heritable variation with natural selection.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#6690 Apr 10, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
What I said was that "who the Designer is" is not relevant to THIS discussion. The point is that there needs FIRST be a recognition of the need for an "outside" designer. The debate over who that designer may be is secondary to THIS discussion - and this is not the forum for that secondary topic. And to repeat, you apparently missed the irony of Crick's supposition of an "alien designer" - the same questions would apply to where that alien came from - another alien race??-which amounts to an infinite regress until finally one must recognize the need for an "outside" designer.

I repeat - THIS is not the forum for this. I only responded to your dismissive post about Rick Santorum and his beliefs.
"The point is that there needs FIRST be a recognition of the need for an "outside" designer."
Nope, only ID has this requirement, Evolution deals with what can be observed in the real world it does not concern itself with the question of who.

As to the question of where the aliens came from, the very same physical processes that lead to the emergence of life on Earth may work on other planets, unfortunately we'll need to wait a bit longer for those observations to be possible.

"Regarding the origin of life - again, the supporting argument is full of "can occur" "might occur" "could occur" - again suppositions, but no factual evidence."
This is the stuff of Science, question and experimentation leading to a refinement of the questions and experimentations. This process can be very disconcerting for those who need the illusion of something concrete to support their beliefs.

"I repeat - THIS is not the forum for this. I only responded to your dismissive post about Rick Santorum and his beliefs."
While you may consider the original post dismissive, it was actually illustrative of the rightward track of the GOP electorate in the last two elections. The only two GOP Primary candidates that expressed support for the Theory of Evolution were Huntsman and Romney, and judging by the comments in this discussion neither of them are conservative enough to suit the tastes of many.

Intelligent Design is simply warmed over Creationism trying to get a foothold in public schools, and the GOP hasn't made a decision to cut loose its religious conservatives. At some point the GOP will need to decide whether it wants to be a viable political party or chase its conservative tail into oblivion.
Glorya

Lithonia, GA

#6691 Apr 10, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Actually, YOU are a prime example of what's wrong period. You libs speak in terms of MOST, LARGE MAJORITY. According to the left wing media, MOST of the citizens did NOT WANT Obamacare, but it was passed anyway. HOW do you know MOST want ANYTHING????? You referenced a report from 2009. Just curious. How exactuly do you think "control" of ANYTHING is going to stop it from happening? Do you honestly think that if someone wants something bad enough, they won't be able to get it? SERIOUSLY? Explain that. It's nothing more than lip service and sucking up and playing into the government NEEDY liberals. You can't control yourselves, so you need the government to do it. And it won't change anything except CONTROL law abiding citizens who probably don't even need control. So, explain how you and your fellow lib's ideas of control will control the criminals. I can't wait! While you are at it, are you going to jump on the bandwagon for KNIFE CONTROL now? Don't tell ME that I'M the problem with the republican party. If you're so smart, why aren't YOU running for office?????? YOU are the NUT.
Great post, Synergy!!
Glorya

Lithonia, GA

#6692 Apr 10, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Yep, 3 Americans were killed in some God forsaken hellhole nation half a world away where there Right Wing anarchy reigns supreme - let's get that preventing it;
3,000 Americans killed on American land, the World Trade Center destroyed, the Pentagon attacked - hey, don't blame Bush - stuff happens.
It's just a shame Right Wingers aren't intellectually capable of appreciating the entertainment value of their lunacy.
Just keep flapping your trap. It's what you're best at, along with Oh My & History is No Les. Your're gonna bust ya gut or blow a vessel- you need a pressure pill, mixed with a straight up bourban. Then, ask that the wife you speak so fondly of, to drive you to the nearest clinic or mental health facility. Always remember, breathe in through your nose and out wiith your mouth. And PLEASE ask her to lock your guns up and hide the friggin key.
Glorya

Lithonia, GA

#6693 Apr 10, 2013
IO, you are a troll, a whiner, arrogant, and certainly not as brilliant as a few others on this forum. So, just know, whatever I may have said nice about you, I take it back.
I'm an Indian giver, with no apologies.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#6694 Apr 10, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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"The point is that there needs FIRST be a recognition of the need for an "outside" designer."
Nope, only ID has this requirement, Evolution deals with what can be observed in the real world it does not concern itself with the question of who.

This is the stuff of Science, question and experimentation leading to a refinement of the questions and experimentations. This process can be very disconcerting for those who need the illusion of something concrete to support their beliefs.
I wish that evolution did deal with only what could be observed in the real world - the whole theory would be in the junkpile because it cannot be observed.

"does not concern itself with the question of who" - no, but it most certainly does try and deal with the question of what - and it has no answers. The scientists who created simple amino acids in the lab in the 50's thought they had finally answered the question, but they were never able to get beyond those simple amino acids. When later research indicated their approximation of Earth's early atmosphere was wrong and they tried to replicate their results with the new information, they couldn't even get to simple amino acids. And even if they had, what would it really prove?- congratulations to the intelligent designers.

"This process can be very disconcerting for those who need the illusion of something concrete to support their beliefs." I couldn't agree with you more - and the best example is the stampede by atheists to embrace Darwin's theory.
columbus native

Edmond, OK

#6695 Apr 10, 2013
It's a good time of the day to get my jab in. Republicans are history for almost four enjoyable years. They allowed the worst piece of human scum to permanently damage my country for 8 long stressful years. This piece of chit should be in a federal prisin under 23 hour lickdown (bush). I saw one of satan's reject's on TV yesterday. cheney looks more pointed and devilish every year that goes by. Maybe lucifer in preparing him for even more evil deeds, he sure looks more pointed in the face every time I have to briefly look at him. the only thing missing a a pair of pointed horns coming from his forehead.
columbus native

Edmond, OK

#6696 Apr 10, 2013
So refreshing and somewhat joyful to see the same sour grapes die in the wool republicans on this forum spitting out their venom. Of course they have to accept it that they have little or no say in OUR government for the next 4 years. Maybe some of them will leave OUR country or overdose, either way makes no difference to me, they got it coming!

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#6697 Apr 10, 2013
Glorya wrote:
IO, you are a troll, a whiner, arrogant, and certainly not as brilliant as a few others on this forum. So, just know, whatever I may have said nice about you, I take it back.
I'm an Indian giver, with no apologies.
You go girl!!
Man in Plaid

Whittier, NC

#6698 Apr 10, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
"The point is that there needs FIRST be a recognition of the need for an "outside" designer."
Nope, only ID has this requirement, Evolution deals with what can be observed in the real world it does not concern itself with the question of who.
As to the question of where the aliens came from, the very same physical processes that lead to the emergence of life on Earth may work on other planets, unfortunately we'll need to wait a bit longer for those observations to be possible.
"Regarding the origin of life - again, the supporting argument is full of "can occur" "might occur" "could occur" - again suppositions, but no factual evidence."
This is the stuff of Science, question and experimentation leading to a refinement of the questions and experimentations. This process can be very disconcerting for those who need the illusion of something concrete to support their beliefs.
"I repeat - THIS is not the forum for this. I only responded to your dismissive post about Rick Santorum and his beliefs."
While you may consider the original post dismissive, it was actually illustrative of the rightward track of the GOP electorate in the last two elections. The only two GOP Primary candidates that expressed support for the Theory of Evolution were Huntsman and Romney, and judging by the comments in this discussion neither of them are conservative enough to suit the tastes of many.
Intelligent Design is simply warmed over Creationism trying to get a foothold in public schools, and the GOP hasn't made a decision to cut loose its religious conservatives. At some point the GOP will need to decide whether it wants to be a viable political party or chase its conservative tail into oblivion.
I doubt that the GOP will chase its tail into oblivion just like I doubted my friends who after Bush's reelection bemoaned that the right had created such conditions that we wouldn't have a Democrat President for decades. Eventually, things shift.
steve m

Douglasville, GA

#6699 Apr 10, 2013
columbus native wrote:
So refreshing and somewhat joyful to see the same sour grapes die in the wool republicans on this forum spitting out their venom. Of course they have to accept it that they have little or no say in OUR government for the next 4 years. Maybe some of them will leave OUR country or overdose, either way makes no difference to me, they got it coming!
Didn't they all promise to go to Canada if Obama won? I wish they would do what they said they would. You know how Republicans always lie.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#6700 Apr 10, 2013
steve m wrote:
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Didn't they all promise to go to Canada if Obama won? I wish they would do what they said they would. You know how Republicans always lie.
If they all went to Canada there would not be any tax revenues and all you liberal's would starve to death.
domino

Macon, GA

#6701 Apr 10, 2013
steve m wrote:
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Didn't they all promise to go to Canada if Obama won? I wish they would do what they said they would. You know how Republicans always lie.
I promise you I never said I would do such. Canada is for draft dodgers like Bill Clinton. He should go back and take Obama with him.
tazzaz

Pittsburgh, PA

#6702 Apr 10, 2013
domino

Macon, GA

#6703 Apr 10, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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If they all went to Canada there would not be any tax revenues and all you liberal's would starve to death.
No need to reply, but OMG! We actually agree on something. I do have to say, that is a super great post.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#6704 Apr 10, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text>Just keep flapping your trap. It's what you're best at, along with Oh My & History is No Les. Your're gonna bust ya gut or blow a vessel- you need a pressure pill, mixed with a straight up bourban. Then, ask that the wife you speak so fondly of, to drive you to the nearest clinic or mental health facility. Always remember, breathe in through your nose and out wiith your mouth. And PLEASE ask her to lock your guns up and hide the friggin key.
Projecting again I see.

Dispelling the lies and myths Right Wingers spew forth from their frothy lips whenever they lift their faces from the government trough is hardly taxing.

In fact it's disappointingly easy.

Thanks to the Internet, all one has to do is insert a few words Ina search engine, and the truth emerges from primary sources without the need to break a sweat.

That's one reason it's so amusing to read Right Wing Wackos posts completely contrary to known, accepted, and undisputed facts.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#6705 Apr 10, 2013
Glorya wrote:
IO, you are a troll, a whiner, arrogant, and certainly not as brilliant as a few others on this forum. So, just know, whatever I may have said nice about you, I take it back.
I'm an Indian giver, with no apologies.
Sorry about that.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#6706 Apr 10, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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If they all went to Canada there would not be any tax revenues and all you liberal's would starve to death.
Best post of the day!!!!!!!!

Remember when the libs said they would leave the country if Bush won a second term. Well...they never left either. You know how those democrats lie.

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