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Since: Nov 12

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#5270 Mar 27, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>it was just a crude attempt at humor,i thought nearly everyone thought their babies were perfect- even the ones born with birth defects.
I was afraid that perhaps I had offended you by unintentionally implying that special needs babies were not considered perfect by their parents. If any on here took that as my meaning, I apologize - that certainly was not my intent nor my belief.

Since: Nov 12

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#5271 Mar 27, 2013
@Man in Plaid - Great post.

When the only outlets for information were newspapers and network television, there truly was a monopoly on information outlets and the public was pretty much at the mercy of the ideology of those who ran the newspapers and networks. These were and are dominated by those with leftward leanings. With the rise of talk radio - which I happily agree does lean right, a different view point was readily available for the first time. But most importantly of all, the internet has made information available for any who want it and are willing to do a little work. You still have to deal with the possible slant that may exist on what you find on the net, but there is also information available that is strictly factual with no inherent bias. You can find out exactly what tax revenue the govt receives and who pays it. You can find out the percentages of people in a state that supported a candidate. You can read opinions straight from the source rather than going through someone else's filter. It may still not be fool proof, but never has an individual been able to school themselves on a subject with such ease.

As to your points about career politicians on both sides of the aisle - couldn't agree more. Which is why I would love to see term limits. Let's get back to what the Founders envisioned - citizen legislators who SERVED for a period of time and then went back to the real world.
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5272 Mar 27, 2013
A doctor, mid-thirties, with a young family decided to increase his Life insurance benefits after the addition of 3rd child to family. I would have most definitely considered him to be healthy. Non-smoker, barely overweight, hard worker, no history of illness, dependable staff member, never ill. He was aware of required physical, never once nervous about it. He applied, had his required physical exam and was flatly denied.
His insurers then gave him a list of reasons...
1) cholesterol was high, I mean, just barely over normal range
2) required he lose 40 lbs to reach optimum weight level for his age group
3) had to have hepatits titre levels drawn and of course, HIV, TB screening and other screenings which took a while

A couple of months later, his insurer informed him he had "failed" his physical exam and it would be 1 year before he would be reconsidered. He was flatly denied. In other words, get healthy and we'll see you next year. During this year, he dieted, he exercised, ate healthy veggies, bland, no sugar diet, drank water, and it was slow go...we all know those last few pounds are the hardest to lose. He was 6'2, no one would have ever said he looked overweight. He was determined. He meant to show them. He stuck with it. But actually paid out of pocket for labs during the year to see if he was nearer their required goal.
One year later, he passed, he got his life insurance increase, but his premiums were still very high.

He joked, he said, I'm not joining the FBI, CIA, Navy SEALS...I want to pay "them", I'm "buying" more insurance..and they treat me as though I'm about to be onboard the next space shuttle launch. Funny & sad.
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5273 Mar 27, 2013
Term limits is the answer... how do we get there? We know what needs to be done. How do we ever influence politicians into making it LAW? I guess what I'm asking, will it ever happen?
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5274 Mar 27, 2013
That story got a little wordy....not always good at multi tasking. ...sorry. No alcohol involved, I'm ashamed to say. :)
Man in Plaid

Sylacauga, AL

#5275 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
Term limits is the answer... how do we get there? We know what needs to be done. How do we ever influence politicians into making it LAW? I guess what I'm asking, will it ever happen?
It will take some doing to impose term limits with legislation. Expecting a group of politicians who have no intentions of surrendering their power to pass such a law would be like asking a group of kids to trade their candy for brussel sprouts at snack time. Who cares if the unhealthy option will cause harm in the long term when you can't see past the present?

Since: Jan 10

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#5276 Mar 27, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
<quoted text>
It will take some doing to impose term limits with legislation. Expecting a group of politicians who have no intentions of surrendering their power to pass such a law would be like asking a group of kids to trade their candy for brussel sprouts at snack time. Who cares if the unhealthy option will cause harm in the long term when you can't see past the present?
Good point.

I think another thought provoking question/point is:

How do we get "qualified" people to run for political office? The way Herman Cain was abused last summer (no idea if the accusations were true or not, nor do I care) would make anyone reluctant, I think, to run for office.

IMHO, it takes a certain flamboyance (maybe not the best word) and a certain almost arrogance to run for office, to try to make people think you're the best suited person for the position to decide laws and impact the live of most everyone else. It's not like you're interviewing for a position where you try to show you're the best candidate...

My point is, we don't always get the "best and the brightest" running for political office. Example: the goof that think Guam will tip over if too many people are sent there. There are MANY others, on both sides of the aisle, but I think my point is made.

That being said, maybe it's supposed to be that way, so we have a cross section of the population in DC...
Glorya

Atlanta, GA

#5277 Mar 27, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point.
I think another thought provoking question/point is:
How do we get "qualified" people to run for political office? The way Herman Cain was abused last summer (no idea if the accusations were true or not, nor do I care) would make anyone reluctant, I think, to run for office.
IMHO, it takes a certain flamboyance (maybe not the best word) and a certain almost arrogance to run for office, to try to make people think you're the best suited person for the position to decide laws and impact the live of most everyone else. It's not like you're interviewing for a position where you try to show you're the best candidate...
My point is, we don't always get the "best and the brightest" running for political office. Example: the goof that think Guam will tip over if too many people are sent there. There are MANY others, on both sides of the aisle, but I think my point is made.
That being said, maybe it's supposed to be that way, so we have a cross section of the population in DC...
The Guam comment came from an elected Ga. politician, how embarassing. The likes of Maxine Walters & her communist agenda, Jesse Jackdon Jr. stating another chapter should be added to the Bible in honor of Obama...say what? Wasn't an undeserved Nobel peace price enough?... The corrupted governors stepping down, seemingly so, one after the other. John Edwards was a ruthless, heartless liar through & through. Weiner and the others sexting idiots. I'm in disbelief how these people gain so much power. Or does the crazy boldness, dysfunctional side just stay hidden until elected. America is in dire straits. Who can save us. It's certainly not Obama & this administration. I'm worried for us.$20 trillion debt by the end of this term is reaching a point of no return. I'm panicking, not so much for myself, more for our young adults and little ones.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#5278 Mar 27, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn do Right Wingers love to be afraid. Having been scared to death Saddam Hussein was going to send missiles to Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and dragging us into a $6,000,000,000,000.00 debacle, we are now supposed to fear "Socialism".
The boogeymen never stop on Right Wing Planet.
What a shame American education has deteriorated to the point where the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism and the continuum existing between and linking them, is so difficult for so many to grasp.
If you truly are a capitalist in its pure form, you want America to duplicate Somalia, or Syria, or Lebanon, where government, for all practical purposes, cannot regulate private property or its use.
True Capitalism means:
- No Social Security
- No Medicare
- No V.A.
- No TVA
- No public hospitals
- No public schools
- No police departments
- No public libraries
- No employment laws
- No Anti-Trust laws
- No banking regulations
- No gov't insured banks
- No fraud laws
- No public roads
- No public schools
- No child protection laws
- No anti-corruption laws
- No firearms laws at all
- No vehicle safety laws
- No food safety laws
- No medicine safety laws
And 1000's of other laws that protect the powerless from the powerful.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by oligarchies.
Pure Communism means:
The "people", a/k/a the "Party Elite own all means of production and completely control all economic transactions.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by the party elite.
Mixed Exonomy:
If you support regulated capitalism, or capitalist socialism, you support America - a mixed economy regulated capitalism with social programs asserted to promote the general welfare somewhere in between the two extremes of pure Capitalism and pure Communism.
Moderates, Progressives, and all reasonably intelligent persons understand only countries utilizing mixed economies have avoided tyranny by either the political elite or the oligarchy.
History is a great teacher.
Great Post! Anytime you see mad upset republicans you know things are going well for the 67% of we voters who are not republican. I just get soo happy to see them so mad.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#5279 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> The Guam comment came from an elected Ga. politician, how embarassing. The likes of Maxine Walters & her communist agenda, Jesse Jackdon Jr. stating another chapter should be added to the Bible in honor of Obama...say what? Wasn't an undeserved Nobel peace price enough?... The corrupted governors stepping down, seemingly so, one after the other. John Edwards was a ruthless, heartless liar through & through. Weiner and the others sexting idiots. I'm in disbelief how these people gain so much power. Or does the crazy boldness, dysfunctional side just stay hidden until elected. America is in dire straits. Who can save us. It's certainly not Obama & this administration. I'm worried for us.$20 trillion debt by the end of this term is reaching a point of no return. I'm panicking, not so much for myself, more for our young adults and little ones.
You won't get any relief from these damn republicans either, in fact things would be worse!
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#5280 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
Term limits is the answer... how do we get there? We know what needs to be done. How do we ever influence politicians into making it LAW? I guess what I'm asking, will it ever happen?
Yes term limits? Remember Gingrigh and his contract to America. Well he waffled on the term limits part because according to him" Our constituates believe we(republicans) are doing such a good job that we hate to put you out after 8 years. He excused himself and the rest of Congress which was republican 1994-2001 so he could stay on indefineately. Lying scumbag hypocrite and his adultress lifestlye.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#5281 Mar 27, 2013
Well while the great republicans on this post stew, jerk, and whine, I will enjoy the next 3 years 10 months knowing that they are so upset. Get my government check next wednesday for which I have been paying into the system for 45 years, and knowing f-up republicans will not be able to Euthanize( Privatize) the system. Thanks again to our president who will see to it we are covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Also I am expecting a slight Cost Of Living pay increase next January. Now about mitt and his b-tch wishing they could of had a chance at America's financial wealth? Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.
Glorya

Atlanta, GA

#5282 Mar 27, 2013
I'm SAD & embarassed. Why waste my days being mad, when I have very little or no control over politicians. I can't save the world. I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat. As I've said 100x, I've refused to associate myself with either party for many, many years. My home is almost paid for, I'm not high maintenance, not shaking in my shoes nor biting my nails. I'm not a doomsday prepper. I do worry, we are beyond the point of no return, the death spiral. So don't tell me what I am, or what I'm afraid of. Speak for yourselves. I can't read your mind and you can't read mine. I actually love life, not so much the sad state America is in. I actually make the most of life. And would like to see things improve, want to believe they will, I just don't see it happening.
Glorya

Atlanta, GA

#5283 Mar 27, 2013
You'll be wasting ya time taking joy in my pain. What pain? You ain't got a clue. My overhead is low, I live way below my means. Thank goodness, not in debt. Life is good. So you'd be wasting time even think I'm whining & stewing. I have a life and do not depend on the government. You must have me confused with someone else, native from columbus.

Good grief, I certainly don't worry about you, why in the heck, would I even think about you for 1/2 a second? Much less worry? Never, not in my lifetime.

Since: Nov 12

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#5284 Mar 27, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>Great Post! Anytime you see mad upset republicans you know things are going well for the 67% of we voters who are not republican. I just get soo happy to see them so mad.
67%? Ur math is as stupid as ur comments.

Since: Nov 12

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#5285 Mar 27, 2013
Well, Columbus Native is still mostly full of nonsense, I see.
- 67% non Republican? Than how did Romney get 48% of the vote - surprise, surprise, your numbers don't add up

- However, you are absolutely right that Gingrich let the 1994 incoming freshman Republicans down when he backed a 12 year term limit plan that went nowhere, instead of the 6-8 year limit that they wanted. Can't argue with you there.

- Don't worry about Republicans "euthanizing" "the system", worry more about Democrats pushing euthanasia for the elderly - that is far more likely. Remember Obama's suggestion for the 100 year old woman whose doctor said her only hope was a pacemaker that "maybe she would be better off taking a pain killer."

- so explain your vulgar comment about Mrs. Romney who from all appearances is a woman of character and grace who raised 5 sons. The Romneys gave away in charity far more than the Clintons, Gores, Bidens, and Obamas combined. Democrats are the ones who come into office with nothing and than parlay it into millions.

So am I mad, yes. I am mad that 51% of those that voted were too uninformed or too partisan to realize the disaster that putting Obama back in office could be for this country.
Man in Plaid

Sylacauga, AL

#5286 Mar 27, 2013
In response to Bill and Glorya,

I believe that one reason for the immoral behavior of some elected officials arises from the scripted nature of their lives. Once they begin to campaign for a major office, they are groomed to appear a certain way. A team of speech writers create talking-points-based texts for them to read that ensures that they will say the right thing to the right audiences. Their campaign writers amp up their biography to make them appear as nearly superhuman figures, and this hyperbole is a must because they all must confront the task of overcoming and eradicating the evil perpetrated by the current officeholder. And of course, their elections are described as epic exertions of the undeniable voice of the people who cried out in despair to the gods of democracy, and said gods delivered in the form of the semi-divine politician who shall lead the bitterly oppressed, or the merely irritated, to a state of unimaginable liberty.

Imagine being such a person. Hearing such overblown rhetoric and playing such a role over the course of an eighteen month campaign would have a way of working on one's self image. As a result, some officials embrace the caricature of the mythic leader who transcends the laws of reality and society that bind the rest of us. This is no different from celebrities and major professional athletes who scoff at reality and do as they please when they please. They somehow disconnect from the simple fact that actions, sooner or later, have consequences. In the case of some figures of this status, I believe that they become dissociated from their senses of self. Consequently, the role that they play in public life carries over to private life, and the results are always embarrassing and sometimes scary.

In regard to the issue of the best candidates not running, I wonder if well-grounded people with a sense of integrity would put up with the theatrics of political life. It seems like a fine way to be ruined, if one isn't careful. Take the example of Herman Cain. I didn't believe that he was presidential material, personally. But, I think his downfall shows one of the most troubling facets of contemporary American politics. If they don't like you, or if you pose a threat, then get ready for a smear job. I don't know if any or all of the allegations made against him were true, but it didn't matter. If the opposition can find or fabricate the right kind of dirt and make people believe it at an opportune moment, you're done, plain and simple.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5287 Mar 27, 2013
make me sick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are on the right track but on the wrong train. The hidden leaders of the Republican Party, the very rich upper class who now have complete control to finance all elections thanks to the people they had appointed to the Supreme Court. They now have complete control of our leaders, it only takes money to be elected and they have it all. They don't care what political party the are with, its the outcome they seek. These same people have been building a cheap labor force in this country for years. In the last 20 or so years the buying power of the middle class has declined dramatically, while the very rich has grown expediential.
They are building a kingdom for the rich in this country and you are a laborer. They were behind making the military a volunteer army to protect their children and to make your children do all the dirty work. You are helping them make the middle class nothing more than the working poor. You bow down and make offerings to them, you make me sick.
Since you blame the Republicans for all this evil then what are the Democrats responsible for? The Democrats are in power and control the current administration. Why is it that the Democrats are not mentioned? Are all the Democrats actually Republicans, and if so why did you vote Democratic? BTW are you really Columbus Native?

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5288 Mar 27, 2013
Many people think that there should be term limits to stop this political corruption. I used to think that was a good idea but have rethought the whole idea.
Yes these politicians are liars and are corrupted but the people put them in office again and again, knowing what morals and ethics they have. The politician should be blamed for being an unethical liar and possible thief, but the voters put him in there and it is the voters responsibility to vote him out. That is the American way. It is not up to the politicians to educate the ignorant masses of voters so that they will pick the right man for the office. Politicians get away with everything because of ignorant and naive voters.
I also think that if the politicians are corrupt they will just find a way will steal twice as much in two terms as they would steal in three or four terms. That is just their greedy , immoral, unethical nature.
To think that a two term limit would change things is probably a false assumption.
Glorya

Atlanta, GA

#5289 Mar 27, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
In response to Bill and Glorya,
I believe that one reason for the immoral behavior of some elected officials arises from the scripted nature of their lives. Once they begin to campaign for a major office, they are groomed to appear a certain way. A team of speech writers create talking-points-based texts for them to read that ensures that they will say the right thing to the right audiences. Their campaign writers amp up their biography to make them appear as nearly superhuman figures, and this hyperbole is a must because they all must confront the task of overcoming and eradicating the evil perpetrated by the current officeholder. And of course, their elections are described as epic exertions of the undeniable voice of the people who cried out in despair to the gods of democracy, and said gods delivered in the form of the semi-divine politician who shall lead the bitterly oppressed, or the merely irritated, to a state of unimaginable liberty.
Imagine being such a person. Hearing such overblown rhetoric and playing such a role over the course of an eighteen month campaign would have a way of working on one's self image. As a result, some officials embrace the caricature of the mythic leader who transcends the laws of reality and society that bind the rest of us. This is no different from celebrities and major professional athletes who scoff at reality and do as they please when they please. They somehow disconnect from the simple fact that actions, sooner or later, have consequences. In the case of some figures of this status, I believe that they become dissociated from their senses of self. Consequently, the role that they play in public life carries over to private life, and the results are always embarrassing and sometimes scary.
In regard to the issue of the best candidates not running, I wonder if well-grounded people with a sense of integrity would put up with the theatrics of political life. It seems like a fine way to be ruined, if one isn't careful. Take the example of Herman Cain. I didn't believe that he was presidential material, personally. But, I think his downfall shows one of the most troubling facets of contemporary American politics. If they don't like you, or if you pose a threat, then get ready for a smear job. I don't know if any or all of the allegations made against him were true, but it didn't matter. If the opposition can find or fabricate the right kind of dirt and make people believe it at an opportune moment, you're done, plain and simple.
They'll dig and dig until they get that scoop of dirt. Then, turn into mud & the smearing begins, even before campaigns get off the ground. I remember one or 2 dropped out because it was discovered they had illegal immigrants gardners/housekeepers. And the media flies with it. You are so right.

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