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Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#31005 Nov 12, 2013
Fran wrote:
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Thank you for the latest news. Does Matt Drudge know you are copying every day from his website?
Does your Mother know you are on the computer?

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#31006 Nov 12, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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What I find most interesting is that you offer no reason why Obama would consider instituting price and profit controls. It would seem that among some circles reasons are not needed, much like a lack of evidence is an attribute of a deeply held belief. You do realize that our government does impose price and profit controls during a natural disaster, which has been done regardless of who is the head of the administration at the time.
Just use that huge imagination of yours and look into the future. What type of government is now being formed in this country. I think that is pretty clear.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#31007 Nov 12, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Yep. you're a one-eyed king in the land of the blind.
Yeah, I am being blinded by your B.S. in my eyes.
Informed Opinion

United States

#31008 Nov 12, 2013
guest wrote:
Is belief in a creator a pre-requisite to possessing morals? No. It's hardly a new topic of discussion,(going at least as far back as Plato, no slouch philosopher he), but one that seems difficult for some folks to grasp.
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/AntonyGood...
<"…..The problem I’m pointing to is an ancient one, discussed by Plato. In his dialogue “Euthyphro,” the eponymous character tries to explain his conception of piety to Socrates:“the pious acts,” Euthyphro says, are those which are loved by the gods.” But Socrates finds this definition ambiguous, and asks Euthyphro:“are the pious acts pious because they are loved by the gods, or are the pious acts loved by the gods because they are pious?”
What’s the difference? Well, if the first reading is correct, then it’s the gods’ loving those particular acts that makes them count as pious acts, that grounds their piousness.“Pious,” on this alternative, is just shorthand for “something the gods love.” Whatever the gods happen to love — bingo!— that’s pious. If the gods change their preferences on a whim — and they did, if Homer knew his stuff — then the things that are pious change right along with them. In contrast, on the second reading, pious acts are presumed to have a distinctive, substantive property in common, a property in virtue of which the gods love them, a property that explains why the gods love them.
Translated into contemporary terms, the question Socrates is asking is this: are morally good actions morally good simply in virtue of God’s favoring them? Or does God favor them because they are — independently of His favoring them — morally good? D.C.T. picks the first option; it says that it’s the mere fact that God favors them that makes morally good things morally good.
Theories that endorse the second option — let’s call any such theory a “Divine Independence Theory”(D.I.T.)— contend, on the contrary, that the goodness of an action is a feature that is independent of, and antecedent to God’s willing it. God could have commanded either this action or its opposite, but in fact, He commands only the good one……"> LOUISE M. ANTONY
Great post.
Informed Opinion

United States

#31009 Nov 12, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>Joe, is that you? Joe McCarthy?
Great post.

Com'nists !

Com'nists !

Com'nists everywhere.

Zoning laws.

Code enforcement.

Child labor laws.

Social Security.

Medicare.

Voting Rights.

And now.... they want to make us pay out own medial bills until we get that there government Medicare.

When will it end.

In the name of all that's holy.... where will it end.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#31010 Nov 12, 2013
the real truth wrote:
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The turnaround at Ford under Alan Mulally has been nothing short of spectacular. He was not an industry insider with a big car company mindset. Ford has gone from posting record multibillion-dollar losses in 2006 when he took over, to five consecutive years of annual profits. It's been so impressive that he's a leading candidate to take over at Microsoft after current CEO Steve Ballmer leaves. He changed the culture at Ford and borrowed on assets to build the company back to an industry leader.
What Ford did was what the rest finally did, and they did it because of the Feds. What the Feds did had just as much to do with GM and Chryslers turnaround as Mulallys did at Ford. Mullallys leadership style was totally different from the Detroit big car company norm and that was a huge part of the problem with sales and car quality. He borrowed huge sums of money on Ford fixed assets and put that money to good use. The recession drove the last nail in the coffin at GM and Chrysler as car sales tumbled, with no banks willing to work with them bankruptcy seemed inevitable. The Feds stepped in with money and the demand for changes in leadership at both GM and Chrysler. The American auto industry is a huge part of the United States economy, and it turned out to be a fantastic investment. Both GM and Chrysler are building world class cars and making money. Workers are working, making great cars that are selling well all over the world, with China a top market for our exported autos. Exactly what is your problem with that!?!?!
Pull your head from the place the sun wont shine and take a look at the real world that we live in.
Wow, your are not very quick to pick up on anything are you? Tell you what. Why don't you go out and buy 10,000 shares of G.M. if you think it is such a great company to invest in. Actions speak louder than B.S. BTW
G.M. is building a plant in China using U.S. taxpayers money. G.M. really cares about the unemployed in this country so it is building a plant in China with your money fool. The U.S. Government lost 38 billion dollars last month on its G.M. stock purchases. Great company, and it won't be too long before it is begging the government to save it's sorry ass again. I doubt if the U.S. government will ever see G.M. pay back it's debt to them. I thing for sure the union employees love it. BTW, just how long have you been a union member?
guest

United States

#31011 Nov 12, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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A very interesting post, Mr. Guest.
I'd like to see you post more often.
Thanks, I post when I can. I have said though, on several occasions, that trying to have a discussion with most of these yahoos,(Right winged fanatics. Be they religious fanatics, libertarian fanatics or a combination, which in itself some would call a contradiction) is a total waste of energy. They live in a black and white world with seemingly no desire whatsoever to see in living color and shades of grey.
now

Hiawassee, GA

#31012 Nov 12, 2013
guest wrote:
Is belief in a creator a pre-requisite to possessing morals? No. It's hardly a new topic of discussion,(going at least as far back as Plato, no slouch philosopher he), but one that seems difficult for some folks to grasp.
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/AntonyGood...
<"..The problem Im pointing to is an ancient one, discussed by Plato. In his dialogue Euthyphro, the eponymous character tries to explain his conception of piety to Socrates:the pious acts, Euthyphro says, are those which are loved by the gods. But Socrates finds this definition ambiguous, and asks Euthyphro:are the pious acts pious because they are loved by the gods, or are the pious acts loved by the gods because they are pious?
Whats the difference? Well, if the first reading is correct, then its the gods loving those particular acts that makes them count as pious acts, that grounds their piousness.Pious, on this alternative, is just shorthand for something the gods love. Whatever the gods happen to love bingo! thats pious. If the gods change their preferences on a whim and they did, if Homer knew his stuff then the things that are pious change right along with them. In contrast, on the second reading, pious acts are presumed to have a distinctive, substantive property in common, a property in virtue of which the gods love them, a property that explains why the gods love them.
Translated into contemporary terms, the question Socrates is asking is this: are morally good actions morally good simply in virtue of Gods favoring them? Or does God favor them because they are independently of His favoring them morally good? D.C.T. picks the first option; it says that its the mere fact that God favors them that makes morally good things morally good.
Theories that endorse the second option lets call any such theory a Divine Independence Theory(D.I.T.) contend, on the contrary, that the goodness of an action is a feature that is independent of, and antecedent to Gods willing it. God could have commanded either this action or its opposite, but in fact, He commands only the good one"> LOUISE M. ANTONY

Good post,
but everything mentioned is relative to a God, whether before or after, i.e. The author has put "morally good" first before a God's acceptance as good morals.

This kinda brings up some of the questions I asked ugly eve, but will now get to the heart of the question. where do moral values come from?? Where they here with the beginning of mankind?? Are morals a learned trait?? or subject to the whim of man???

Serious questions that haven't been answered yet by libroids, and not even in this post. Most everyone with a little education of the ancient philosophers know they spent hours playing tag with which came first, "the chicken or the egg."

That answer has not been given, and neither does the answer in the quoted post answer such question.....

Does man make up his own morals??? if so, from what? how? why? when? where? and by who?

If man does NOT make up his own morals, then whence do they come from? From a God? From watching nature? From some entity we know nothing about??

Again, if morals came first, where did they come from? when? how? why? where?
And everything gets back to the atheist, JUST where do yall's morals come from?? and what are they??



now

Hiawassee, GA

#31013 Nov 12, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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Your wasting your time. Giving facts to these idiots is like me trying to fill the ocean up with sand. These people are hard core socialist/communist and nothing can change their minds.
On Topix these posters call Venezuela a socialist country but it is now communist, as the state has taken over most of Venezuela's economy and business's. Why spend their time lying and deceiving? The factual truth is out there as plain as day. The truth is socialism is only a step away from communism. A country must be socialized before it can be turned into a full blown communist country. That is usually how it is done.

heck, I'm not trying to change anyones mind. Some people believe what they are told, some people believe what they have learned, some people believe what they have perceived, and some people dont' believe anything....
My point being, this is a political thread and as such, has no value in our personal life except the satisfaction we get when proving libroids wrong...which so far they have been out-scored like 20-1 in our favor....

They are easy prey because they are so gullible in their socialists beliefs. We dont have to defeat them, their ideas themself defeat them. We're just around to get a joy ride out of it....



now

Hiawassee, GA

#31014 Nov 12, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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Joe, is that you? Joe McCarthy?

You figure out that legal lawsuit statement yet???
I've got my hopes pinned on you because so far I have placed you above the "thinkers lite" category. dont disappoint me....

clue::; you yourself said something to the effect "words have meanings, and meanings have word description."



Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#31016 Nov 12, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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Let's go to the 2012 Libertarian Party Platform:
We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service, and all federal programs and service not required under the constitution.
Course that's just their interpretation of what is or is not "required under the constitution", and they've been taking this interpretation before the people for a good long time but it has only garnered fringe acceptance. Maybe they need to re-label it again.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#31017 Nov 12, 2013
Contradiction indeed...

How is elitist Ayn Rand a tea party hero? The contradiction ...
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Oct 14, 2010 ... Tea partiers praise Ayn Rand's 'pure capitalism.' But they ignore her oligarchic, elitist views ideals that are fundamentally antiAmerican and ...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#31019 Nov 12, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Just use that huge imagination of yours and look into the future. What type of government is now being formed in this country. I think that is pretty clear.
Sure, that's easy, we're moving back towards a system of regulated capitalism, where people are beginning to understand that the Trickle Down they were promised is nothing more than somebody Tingckling Down their backs.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#31020 Nov 12, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks, I post when I can. I have said though, on several occasions, that trying to have a discussion with most of these yahoos,(Right winged fanatics. Be they religious fanatics, libertarian fanatics or a combination, which in itself some would call a contradiction) is a total waste of energy. They live in a black and white world with seemingly no desire whatsoever to see in living color and shades of grey.
Great post.

They claim to be upset about unemployment, them they bitch we saved hundreds of thousands of American jobs in the auto industry.

They complain about the deficit, then worship Ronnie Ray-Gun and Bush who created a $1.4 Trillion Dollar deficits, doubled and tripled the debt, and bitch about Obama, who has cut their RWW deficit in half.

They complain about freeloading deadbeats, the bitch about the AHCA, which forces deadbeats to pay their own medical bills.

They complain about "Big" and "Intrusive" government, then support the UnPatriot Act, and they want the government to determine who sleeps with who, and whether our daughters have children or not.

They complain about government spending, then bitch whenever we try to cut the War Department's ludicrously bloated budget.

They complain about "Socialism", then demand no cuts in Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicare Part D,(which of course benefits them).

They're terrified of being killed by terrorist, although they have a greater chance of choking to death on their Thanksgiving Turkey, and they worship Bush, who had more Americans killed on his watch by terrorists than any other president.

They complain about corruption, then worship Ronnie Ray-Gun, who had the most corrupt administration in American History.

They complain about the death of the Middle Class, them bitch about private sector unions, the only avenue ever invented that supports a Middle Class.

That Cognitive Dissonance must degrade intellectual abilities more than previously thought.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#31021 Nov 12, 2013
Republicans, Atheists, and Satanists all piled up in One Bed, Politics does indeed make Strange Bedfellows.

Eric Sapp: GOP Must Choose: Ayn Rand or Jesus - Huffington Post
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Mountain Moe

Ellijay, GA

#31022 Nov 12, 2013
Has the 2010 Senate Race been concluded?

WTF won? This ridiculous forum proves we have
all lost. What a crock of sh--
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#31023 Nov 12, 2013
guest wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Is belief in a creator a pre-requisite to possessing morals? No. It's hardly a new topic of discussion,(going at least as far back as Plato, no slouch philosopher he), but one that seems difficult for some folks to grasp....
I suspect that our moral grounding goes back 100's of thousands of years (millions) and is derived from the cooperation that was shown among the group, empathy for the feelings of others is the fertile ground for doin unto others. The group simply functions better when strife and discord is at a minimum. Cooperation among groups can have many desirable survival features, and it's easy to understand how the why of empathy, and the cooperation that springs from it, carries more weight when it's coming from the gods and not simply because it's best for us.

You can see this line of thinking exhibited in this forum by those who demand to know the source of your moral code, when what they are really saying is that if your moral code does not have the same source as mine then it must be inferior.

So, I suspect that a moral code originated in the need for people to cooperate to survive, was later attributed to the gods so that the gods could then hand it down to us with godly authority.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#31024 Nov 12, 2013
Paul Broun has Embraced the Teachings of the Atheist Ayn Rand, and Rejected the Teachings of Jesus Christ, he is Definitely a No Vote...

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guest

United States

#31025 Nov 12, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Contradiction indeed...
How is elitist Ayn Rand a tea party hero? The contradiction ...
www.csmonitor.com/.../How-is-elitist-Ayn-Rand... -...- Similar to How is elitist Ayn Rand a tea party hero? The contradiction ...
Oct 14, 2010 ... Tea partiers praise Ayn Rand's 'pure capitalism.' But they ignore her oligarchic, elitist views ideals that are fundamentally antiAmerican and ...
They also ignore her disdain for the religious. She was an avowed atheist.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#31027 Nov 12, 2013
guest wrote:
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They also ignore her disdain for the religious. She was an avowed atheist.
The Republican Tea Party Messiah, Ayn Rand ,who wrote the Republican Tea Party Bible, "Atlas Shrugged," hated all religion and Christianity in particular.

The Republican Tea Party Heroine said, "Christianity is a sign of weakness in a Capitalist Society."

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