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#30154 Nov 4, 2013
Thought this was worth repeating, from 4 Jun 2013:

"Speaking on the House floor Monday, Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-Okla.) delivered a brief-yet-scathing review of President Barack Obama and his administration. In just over a minute, Bridenstine rattled off the lengthy list of scandals and missteps that have occurred under President Obama. The GOP lawmaker said the fact that his administration is spinning out of control proves Obama is "not fit to lead" as commander in chief.

"The president's Justice Department sold weapons to narco-terrorists south of our border, who killed one of our finest.

The president's State Department lied about Benghazi with false information provided by the White House.

The president's attorney general authorized spying on a Fox News reporter and his family for reporting on a North Korean nuclear test.

The president's Justice Department confiscated phone records of the Associated Press because they reported on a thwarted terrorist attack.

The president's Treasury Department uses the IRS to target political opposition.

The president's Health and Human Services secretary pressures insurance companies she is supposed to regulate to promote 'Obamacare,' which is the same law she uses to force citizens to pay for abortion inducing drugs against their religious liberties."

He then went on to say that the president's "dishonesty, incompetence, vengefulness and lack of moral compass lead many to suggest that he is not fit to lead."

"The only problem is that his vice president is equally unfit and even more embarrassing," Bridenstine concluded."

one too many

Cordele, GA

#30155 Nov 4, 2013
Just Plain Dumb wrote:
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Not only did you win, ChicknButt win, you cut down the basketball net, set the bleachers on fire, had your way the all the cheerleaders, drank all the Gatorade, stole the opposing coach's car and exploded the entire gymnasium to dust...
nudder goodun!
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30156 Nov 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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Please defend your position using logic and facts.

Ok,
Your only source is the link you gave on bills pending in Congress (senate + house)
Bills are created first in the minds of elected officials, who seek support from colleagues first and foremost, before ever going to a committee, which then need to pass out of committee before ever becoming a bill.(in the minds of libroids reside single payer healthcare)

I will use the Georgia legislature as an example…..The planners (those who control the legislature) meet in the months of August and September, before the legislature is called in the first of the following year. Many of the bills to be presented are discussed during that meeting before ever being presented as bills when the legislature is convened. The boys with the power assign the bills to the committees corresponding to the type of bill to be presented, and if enough support is generated in the committee, it comes out as a bill to put on the floor.

The Feds pretty much do the same business, the controlling party decides what goes into the hopper and which bills come out of committee.
You don’t see those bills until they are due to come to the floor, so your link doesn’t tell you anything about what goes into the cow, just what comes out of the cow(in many cases bs)…. When a bill is out of committee, the leaders decide which ones come to a vote in which order. Some bills never reach a vote. We see it often with Reid the manhandler.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#30157 Nov 4, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
My goodness, Syn, why do you keep trying to help CB pull his head out of .......the ground. He ignores the many instances that have been posted of Obama, Reid, Pelosi and other Dems stating that the end goal is single payer - they have stated it for the record. Obamacare is merely the obvious first step - if you are not so blinded by partisanship that you ignore the facts.
Many people in this country would like to see a single-payer health care system. There are quite a few very good arguments to be made in favor of such a system.

Obviously Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others would like to see such a thing become reality. Unfortunately, you don't just get to snap your fingers and "make it so".

The reality is that a bill would have to make it through the Senate, the House, and be signed by the President. When you're talking about an emotionally charged dramatic change from the status-quo that affects every single person in the country, dismantles the medical insurance industry, and forces the medical care industry to play honestly and fairly, it's no easy task to get that bill through those hurdles. Not even with both houses and the president all supporting it.

Even if that bill gets through those hurdles, it will be challenged in courts. Repeatedly. There will be lawsuits. There will be opposition of every kind. You think the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unsettled the insurance industries dust a little? Nothing like telling them to go home, we just don't need their profiteering little vulture butts anymore.

Before this could possibly become a reality, America will have to change. A lot. Sure single-payer probably will become a reality somewhere down the line, but we're talking WAY down the line. By that time people will barely remember Obama, or Reid, or Pelosi. Who knows what the people in place will think then or consider a good idea. Only Synergy has a crystal ball.

Reid can say what he wants and hopes for. That doesn't change reality. The likelihood that everyone in America will have access to equal medical care at reasonable costs when they're sick, regardless of who they are or their income isn't going to happen anytime soon.

If I'm wrong, well, that would be a good thing. But logic and reality say otherwise.
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30158 Nov 4, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
My goodness, Syn, why do you keep trying to help CB pull his head out of .......the ground. He ignores the many instances that have been posted of Obama, Reid, Pelosi and other Dems stating that the end goal is single payer - they have stated it for the record. Obamacare is merely the obvious first step - if you are not so blinded by partisanship that you ignore the facts.
The administration itself estimated that approximately 93 million of those WITH insurance (both individual and employer offered) would lose that insurance - it was in the federal register in 2010. And now a Duke University study (liberal bastion that it is) predicts that up to 129 million of the 189 million with private insurance will lose their coverage - that is 68%.
"The rest, he said, will retain their old plans but have to pay higher rates for Obamacare-mandated "bells and whistles."
"It's true that some Americans will end up with cheaper coverage, but not the vast majority. Study after study shows premiums on average will be higher in the non-group, small group and even large group markets," he added."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-68...
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For those with eyes to see, that is the first step to forcing the American people onto the exchanges.

I think Syn has a "save the dumbos of the word" syndrome...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#30159 Nov 4, 2013
Just Plain Dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only did you win, ChicknButt win, you cut down the basketball net, set the bleachers on fire, had your way the all the cheerleaders, drank all the Gatorade, stole the opposing coach's car and exploded the entire gymnasium to dust...
Thank you for a great example of liberal rewriting of history, it is almost as good as Obama's attempt at rewriting his oft quoted statements about how Americans could keep their insurance plans and their doctors - almost.
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30160 Nov 4, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
And now Obama is attempting to rewrite history in a speech today and claim that what he said all along was "if you had one of these plans before Obamacare became the law, you could keep it IF IT HASN"T CHANGED SINCE THE LAW WAS PASSED." No, Mr Obama, you are a LIAR. Your statement you made time and time again was: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, period." There were no caveats in those statements. Does he really think the American people are that stupid?
Oh, wait. He DID get reelected didn't he?

He's like the fella from dahlonega who count his toes, obama cant count his lies...

Syn has beaten the Butt, but the Butt is too proud to admit a mistake...
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30161 Nov 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, despite getting called a JA (J@ckAss), and an AH (azzhole), and a "freedom destroying, lock-step socialist" along with a few other choice words during that conversation I actually kind of like Synergy.
The big point of even having that conversation is that these guys are constantly spewing absolutely insane lies and drivel so often that they actually believe themselves, when there is no basis for reality in their positions.
The things they say aren't actually true here on planet Earth. Usually it's not worth the effort of trying to point it out because they just retort with asinine BS, emotion, and name-calling. But when you actually go through the exercise, it's apparent just how nuts they are, how brain-washed and hateful of their fellow men they are and how fearful they are of ghosts under their beds and commies coming to get them.
If only they could use unbroken logic and actual facts, they would be saying very different things.
Unfortunately, we can't really expect this to happen.

Actually what Syn is saying is, "I've told you so, but you are too blind to see. You will see when after it happens."

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#30162 Nov 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Many people in this country would like to see a single-payer health care system. There are quite a few very good arguments to be made in favor of such a system.
Obviously Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others would like to see such a thing become reality. Unfortunately, you don't just get to snap your fingers and "make it so".
The reality is that a bill would have to make it through the Senate, the House, and be signed by the President. When you're talking about an emotionally charged dramatic change from the status-quo that affects every single person in the country, dismantles the medical insurance industry, and forces the medical care industry to play honestly and fairly, it's no easy task to get that bill through those hurdles. Not even with both houses and the president all supporting it.
Even if that bill gets through those hurdles, it will be challenged in courts. Repeatedly. There will be lawsuits. There will be opposition of every kind. You think the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unsettled the insurance industries dust a little? Nothing like telling them to go home, we just don't need their profiteering little vulture butts anymore.
Before this could possibly become a reality, America will have to change. A lot. Sure single-payer probably will become a reality somewhere down the line, but we're talking WAY down the line. By that time people will barely remember Obama, or Reid, or Pelosi. Who knows what the people in place will think then or consider a good idea. Only Synergy has a crystal ball.
Reid can say what he wants and hopes for. That doesn't change reality. The likelihood that everyone in America will have access to equal medical care at reasonable costs when they're sick, regardless of who they are or their income isn't going to happen anytime soon.
If I'm wrong, well, that would be a good thing. But logic and reality say otherwise.
For every "good argument" for single payer, there are more against it. But you keep ignoring the obvious intent behind Obamacare, that it is a first step towards single payer and had Obamacare somehow been able to be implemented without being the disaster that every day brings more sharply into focus, I suspect we may have seen single payer in 10-15 years. However, as those of us with a clue about how the the health care system actually works AND how liberals work knew - Obamacare couldn't fulfill the promises that were made. Obama and his supporters lied and knew they lied about what the end result would be. Democrats are jumping on board in greater numbers trying to get a delay in Obamacare - they see the potential disaster looming in the midterm elections if something isn't done to stop it. But if you want to sit there with your blinders on, we can't stop you.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#30163 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok,
Your only source is the link you gave on bills pending in Congress (senate + house)
Bills are created first in the minds of elected officials, who seek support from colleagues first and foremost, before ever going to a committee, which then need to pass out of committee before ever becoming a bill.(in the minds of libroids reside single payer healthcare)
I will use the Georgia legislature as an example…..The planners (those who control the legislature) meet in the months of August and September, before the legislature is called in the first of the following year. Many of the bills to be presented are discussed during that meeting before ever being presented as bills when the legislature is convened. The boys with the power assign the bills to the committees corresponding to the type of bill to be presented, and if enough support is generated in the committee, it comes out as a bill to put on the floor.
The Feds pretty much do the same business, the controlling party decides what goes into the hopper and which bills come out of committee.
You don’t see those bills until they are due to come to the floor, so your link doesn’t tell you anything about what goes into the cow, just what comes out of the cow(in many cases bs)…. When a bill is out of committee, the leaders decide which ones come to a vote in which order. Some bills never reach a vote. We see it often with Reid the manhandler.
I'll give you some credit, you actually tried a rebuttal that included some facts, and you attempted to tie a few logic strings together. You didn't make your case, even remotely, but at least you put together a comprehensible post. That's a huge improvement from what we've seen.

Your argument is that I provided a link that showed pending legislation, and I claimed that no legislation exists based on that.

Your retort is "well, maybe that legislation doesn't exist yet, but they might be THINKING about it!"

ERGO, if we could only read their minds about what they might do in the future, we COULD say that legislation exists (in the future), therefore Synergy MAYBE MIGHT be right, possibly, if all those things existed. You go one step further in that you're offering all of this as proof that Synergy "won" the discussion.

You came up with the best defense you could for a p!ss-poor position. The old "Maybe it might come true if somebody thinks of it in the future" defense.

Not flying. Not gonna work. That dog don't hunt.

Still, you came back with something better than "doo-doo-head!" That's an improvement.
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30164 Nov 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Many people in this country would like to see a single-payer health care system. There are quite a few very good arguments to be made in favor of such a system.
Obviously Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others would like to see such a thing become reality. Unfortunately, you don't just get to snap your fingers and "make it so".
The reality is that a bill would have to make it through the Senate, the House, and be signed by the President. When you're talking about an emotionally charged dramatic change from the status-quo that affects every single person in the country, dismantles the medical insurance industry, and forces the medical care industry to play honestly and fairly, it's no easy task to get that bill through those hurdles. Not even with both houses and the president all supporting it.
Even if that bill gets through those hurdles, it will be challenged in courts. Repeatedly. There will be lawsuits. There will be opposition of every kind. You think the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unsettled the insurance industries dust a little? Nothing like telling them to go home, we just don't need their profiteering little vulture butts anymore.
Before this could possibly become a reality, America will have to change. A lot. Sure single-payer probably will become a reality somewhere down the line, but we're talking WAY down the line. By that time people will barely remember Obama, or Reid, or Pelosi. Who knows what the people in place will think then or consider a good idea. Only Synergy has a crystal ball.
Reid can say what he wants and hopes for. That doesn't change reality. The likelihood that everyone in America will have access to equal medical care at reasonable costs when they're sick, regardless of who they are or their income isn't going to happen anytime soon.
If I'm wrong, well, that would be a good thing. But logic and reality say otherwise.

Wrong, if the libroids get a good majority in both houses in 2014, a bill will be sent to obama before he leaves office, Obama will sign it; public opinion be dammed, the insurance industry be dammed, and the repubs be dammed. The libroids have proven over and over that this country will be a socialists country come hell or high water....



Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#30165 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Syn has a "save the dumbos of the word" syndrome...
Bless her heart. Her efforts are probably futile, but well intended.

Hi, Syn. ;)
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#30166 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Syn has a "save the dumbos of the word" syndrome...
And then you blew it.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#30167 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
He's like the fella from dahlonega who count his toes, obama cant count his lies...
Syn has beaten the Butt, but the Butt is too proud to admit a mistake...
And then you just went and lost your mind. Wait... It was already gone.

Whatever. I've moved you back over to the "delusional dumbazz" column again.
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30168 Nov 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you some credit, you actually tried a rebuttal that included some facts, and you attempted to tie a few logic strings together. You didn't make your case, even remotely, but at least you put together a comprehensible post. That's a huge improvement from what we've seen.
Your argument is that I provided a link that showed pending legislation, and I claimed that no legislation exists based on that.
Your retort is "well, maybe that legislation doesn't exist yet, but they might be THINKING about it!"
ERGO, if we could only read their minds about what they might do in the future, we COULD say that legislation exists (in the future), therefore Synergy MAYBE MIGHT be right, possibly, if all those things existed. You go one step further in that you're offering all of this as proof that Synergy "won" the discussion.
You came up with the best defense you could for a p!ss-poor position. The old "Maybe it might come true if somebody thinks of it in the future" defense.
Not flying. Not gonna work. That dog don't hunt.
Still, you came back with something better than "doo-doo-head!" That's an improvement.

We dont have to read their minds dummy, we can read their words, and we can hear their voices say it, What dumb kinda world do you live in?

Syn told you what will happen if the libroids get in power. The Tea Party will do their best to make sure they dont...

Syn kicked your azz, you're just too dumb to know it...
whom

Cleveland, GA

#30169 Nov 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
And then you just went and lost your mind. Wait... It was already gone.
Whatever. I've moved you back over to the "delusional dumbazz" column again.

glad to be there than in dumbo land....
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#30170 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, if the libroids get a good majority in both houses in 2014, a bill will be sent to obama before he leaves office, Obama will sign it; public opinion be dammed, the insurance industry be dammed, and the repubs be dammed. The libroids have proven over and over that this country will be a socialists country come hell or high water....
Odds are kinda slim that the Dems will pick up both houses, for a lot of reasons. It could happen, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Let's say it did happen, a bill passed both houses. Then Obama would be faced with signing it - which would risk giving up the dems hold on the presidency in 2016. A dem president is almost assured for 2016 assuming the republicans put up idiot candidates like Cruz or Rubio (and they just can't help themselves), and the dems don't do anything too radical right before the election.

The risks are too high to gamble with.

Now lets say that dems have both houses, a Rep takes the white house in 2016 (LOL!), Obama could then sign such a bill - but why bother? Odds are it would be repealed before it was ever enacted.

About the earliest you would see a a single payer health care system would be 2017, assuming we have Hillary in office and Dems have both houses. Even then there's so many other factors at play, it's doubtful. More than likely we wouldn't see such a system for another 8 to 10 years. America itself would have to move past this divisive stage we're in with a destructive do-nothing republican party and put the current stage we're in behind us. America is going to have to get smarter. That's going to take some time I think.
Just Plain Dumb

Blairsville, GA

#30171 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
glad to be there than in dumbo land....
Come on admit it, CB won... you're just because one of the cheerleaders was your sister and CB wouldn't nail the fattening hog...
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#30172 Nov 4, 2013
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
We dont have to read their minds dummy, we can read their words, and we can hear their voices say it, What dumb kinda world do you live in?
Ah - what you're saying is that you've READ that legislation, while not in existence yet, is planned immediately and has support?

Well why didn't you just post that link? Who was it that said they're about to introduce legislation proposing a single-payer health-care system right away?

Still - the arguing about what MIGHT exist in the future doesn't win anything.
whom wrote:
<quoted text>
Syn kicked your azz, you're just too dumb to know it...
And you have to be a raving slobbering idiot to even think that happened.
Just Plain Dumb

Blairsville, GA

#30173 Nov 4, 2013
*** you're just mad ***

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