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Cape Coral, FL

#29389 Oct 31, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
So someone explain the logic to me. Obama says we needs to completely makeover the American healthcare system

Only in the land of left wing lunatics does that make sense.
Assuming your serious.

Here's why your expressed concerns are the result of Right Wing hyperbole and not relevant in the real world.

First - the AHCA has no effect on the 95% of Americans with insurance now as they are insured under group policies that qualify under the AHCA.

So immediately 95% of those with insurance are not included in your concern. Employers are not requires to make any changes, unless the group insurance they provide is so insufficient it fails to qualify as reasonable coverage. That has never been a substantial problem as group coverages are almost always reasonable in scope.

As to the 5% of Americans currently carrying some form of insurance,(whether legitimate coverage or "Junk" policies.")

Next- every year millions of Americans with private insurance plans have those plans canceled for a multitude of reasons. It happens every year and nobody got excited. Last year millions of people also had their automobile insurance canceled when they switched from Allstate to State Farm.

So immediately millions of people whose plans are canceled would have been canceled anyway --- but here's the great part - before these people could not have replaced the overage because of pre-existing conditions or in insurability - and now they can.

They can replace the insurance that would have been canceled anyway, leaving them without coverage, with a qualified policy that doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions.

That's a good thing.

Next - millions of the policies being canceled are canceled because they are not real insurance coverage that actually provide enough insurance to keep us taxpayers from footing the bill when these people need medical care. Think "cancer" policies and "payment per day" policies, and policies that don't cover known medical conditions, and "catastrophic" policies with huge deductibles.

These policies are a waste of money and cause us responsible Americans to again pay the medical bills for those with insufficient insurance. Think of a automobile liability policy with a $10K limit when a car crash can easily cause millions in damages.

It's a good thing that "pretend" insurance is replaced by real, substantive, actual coverage.

Yes, there will be millions of Americans who either still cannot afford to buy insurance - but they can't now anyway, and there will be millions of Americans who choose to remain deadbeat parasites, demanding we responsible Americans pay their medical bills for them.

The AHCA will help many of those who cannot afford to buy insurance without help to buy the coverage they need, by subsidizing their purchase of insurance.
This doesn't cost money - it saves us money- because we provide these people medical care now at the ER, Hospitals, and Clinics in the most inefficient and expensive way possible.

It's cheaper to help them but real insurance, which saves money for taxpayers and lowers the deficit.

Both are good things.

The AHCA will also tax the deadbeats and use those tax funds to help pay the medical costs the deadbeats dump on us responsible Americans.

Another good thing.

Forcing freeloading deadbeats to pay their own way - a true "Conservative" idea.

Those are just plain facts.

Attack all you want, but if you do you are simply revealing your complaints are irrational.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#29390 Oct 31, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, absolutely, any one with any sense could see the end goal.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/29...

Democrats are starting to bail, eventually the only people praising Obamacare will be the lobotomized lefties on here.
Breitbart - hiring the hookers that World Nut Daily can't afford.

Very persuasive.

Maybe Wayne A. Root can get a job their teaching us how to "invest" our Medicare funds in Las Vegas casinos.

Stop whining.

We'll pay for your medical care when you qualify for Medicare. Can't you get off Medicaid for just a few years and pay your own way ?

I'd like to invest more int 401K, but paying for medical care for freeloading Right Wing Deadbeats is starting to hurt.

Maybe I'll just dump my employees medical plans and blame it on the AHCA, and tell 'em all to just become Right Wing Freeloading Deadbeats too.

Heck, I'll save a fortune.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#29391 Oct 31, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming your serious.
Here's why your expressed concerns are the result of Right Wing hyperbole and not relevant in the real world.
First - the AHCA has no effect on the 95% of Americans with insurance now as they are insured under group policies that qualify under the AHCA.
So immediately 95% of those with insurance are not included in your concern. Employers are not requires to make any changes, unless the group insurance they provide is so insufficient it fails to qualify as reasonable coverage. That has never been a substantial problem as group coverages are almost always reasonable in scope.
As to the 5% of Americans currently carrying some form of insurance,(whether legitimate coverage or "Junk" policies.")
Next- every year millions of Americans with private insurance plans have those plans canceled for a multitude of reasons. It happens every year and nobody got excited. Last year millions of people also had their automobile insurance canceled when they switched from Allstate to State Farm.
So immediately millions of people whose plans are canceled would have been canceled anyway --- but here's the great part - before these people could not have replaced the overage because of pre-existing conditions or in insurability - and now they can.
They can replace the insurance that would have been canceled anyway, leaving them without coverage, with a qualified policy that doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions.
That's a good thing.
Next - millions of the policies being canceled are canceled because they are not real insurance coverage that actually provide enough insurance to keep us taxpayers from footing the bill when these people need medical care. Think "cancer" policies and "payment per day" policies, and policies that don't cover known medical conditions, and "catastrophic" policies with huge deductibles.
These policies are a waste of money and cause us responsible Americans to again pay the medical bills for those with insufficient insurance. Think of a automobile liability policy with a $10K limit when a car crash can easily cause millions in damages.
It's a good thing that "pretend" insurance is replaced by real, substantive, actual coverage.
Yes, there will be millions of Americans who either still cannot afford to buy insurance - but they can't now anyway, and there will be millions of Americans who choose to remain deadbeat parasites, demanding we responsible Americans pay their medical bills for them.
The AHCA will help many of those who cannot afford to buy insurance without help to buy the coverage they need, by subsidizing their purchase of insurance.
This doesn't cost money - it saves us money- because we provide these people medical care now at the ER, Hospitals, and Clinics in the most inefficient and expensive way possible.
It's cheaper to help them but real insurance, which saves money for taxpayers and lowers the deficit.
Both are good things.
The AHCA will also tax the deadbeats and use those tax funds to help pay the medical costs the deadbeats dump on us responsible Americans.
Another good thing.
Forcing freeloading deadbeats to pay their own way - a true "Conservative" idea.
Those are just plain facts.
Attack all you want, but if you do you are simply revealing your complaints are irrational.
Your so full of bull. I am not going to sit here and argue a page of post with you. It is just this simple. Business AHCA deferments end in 2014. Many of these people will then lose their insurance with their group policies. A few may be able to keep their group insurance for only one more year if they can sign up now. Those that don't will be out of luck unless their employers pay a much higher premium. Many of these people may be put on a 29 hour work week so their employer will not need to give them insurance.
But what do you care, at least at this stage of the game?
whom

Cleveland, GA

#29393 Nov 1, 2013

"The Obama Administration has been claiming that insurance companies will be competing for your dollars under the Affordable Care Act, but apparently they haven't surveyed the nation's top hospitals.

Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered under their personal policies. Most of the top hospitals will accept insurance from just one or two companies operating under Obamacare.

[CHART: Which Top Hospitals Take Your Insurance Under Obamacare?]

"This doesn't surprise me," said Gail Wilensky, Medicare advisor for the second Bush Administration and senior fellow for Project HOPE. "There has been an incredible amount of focus on the premium cost and subsidy, and precious little focus on what you get for your money.""

" Watchdog.org looked at the top 18 hospitals nationwide as ranked by U.S. News and World Report for 2013-2014. We contacted each hospital to determine their contracts and talked to several insurance companies, as well.

The result of our investigation: Many top hospitals are simply opting out of Obamacare."

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital...
whom

Cleveland, GA

#29394 Nov 1, 2013
Climate change again.........

"Environmentalists hoped the latest study from the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) would finally end the increasingly acrimonious debate over the causes and consequences of climate change. It has had the opposite effect.

MIT physicist Richard Lindzen called the IPCC report "hilarious incoherence." British historian Rupert Darwall labeled it "nonsense" and "the manipulation of science for political ends." Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology says the IPCC suffers from "paradigm paralysis" and should be "put down."

The most precise criticism of the IPCC's report came from the editors of Nature, one of the world's most distinguished science journals: "Scientists cannot say with any certainty what rate of warming might be expected, or what effects humanity might want to prepare for, hedge against or avoid at all costs."

Despite decades of research funded by taxpayers to the tune of billions of dollars, we are no more certain about the impact of man-made greenhouse gases than we were in 1990, or even in 1979 when the National Academy of Sciences estimated the effect of a doubling of carbon dioxide to be "near 3 degrees C with a probable error of plus or minus 1.5 degrees C."

The lower end of that range, which is where the best research on the likely sensitivity of climate to carbon dioxide lands, is well within the bounds of natural variability.

Significantly, the IPCC has backed down from its previous forecasts of increases in droughts and hurricanes. And it admits, but does not explain, why no warming has occurred for the past 15 years.

Due to its charter and sheer bureaucratic momentum, the IPCC is compelled to claim it is more confident than ever in its alarmist predictions, even as real-world evidence falsifies them at every turn. Policymakers and the public have no reason to believe this discredited oracle."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10...
Just sayin

Dahlonega, GA

#29395 Nov 1, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you like it, but I am tired of wasting time trying to reason with those people. It does absolutely NO GOOD to spend time posting thought provoking ideas, opinions and links just to have them ignored. They ignore them because they have no answers, thoughts or rebuttals. Not wasting any more time.
Do post your thoughts, but to hand back your own advice- don't feed the animals.
whom

Cleveland, GA

#29396 Nov 1, 2013
What no one has told you will be coming to America.....


"All-Time High Unemployment: The Economic Depression In Europe Just Keeps Getting Deeper"

"All you have to do is look at the latest unemployment numbers to realize that things are getting worse in Europe.

In Italy, the unemployment rate is up to 12.5 percent.

In January 2012, less than two years ago, it was sitting at just 8.9 percent.

In Greece, the unemployment rate is up to an astounding 27.6 percent.

In January 2012, it was sitting at just 21.4 percent.

In Spain, the unemployment rate is up to 26.6 percent.

In January 2012, it was sitting at just 22.8 percent, and all the way back in January 2008 it was just 8.6 percent.

The youth unemployment statistics in the eurozone are even more horrifying...

Unemployment among the under-25s rose by 22,000 in September to 3,548,000 – nudging up youth jobless rate to 24.1%. In France, the youth jobless rate jumped from 25.6% to 26.1%, while in Italy it increased from 40.2% to 40.4%.

But as bad as those numbers are, they are nothing compared to what is going on in Spain and Greece. In Spain, the youth unemployment rate is up to 56.5 percent, and in Greece the youth unemployment rate is up to 57.3 percent."



"Economic conditions in both the United States and Europe have never even gotten close to where they were prior to 2008, and now the next major wave of the economic collapse is rapidly approaching."

http://www.blacklistednews.com/All-Time_High_...

Just sayin

Dahlonega, GA

#29397 Nov 1, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
Has anyone mentioned that the contractor that received the no bid contract to develop the Obamacare website is an old college buddy of Michelle Obama?
What a coincidence..........
It must be a coincidence, after all everyone knows how the progressives in charge of the obamascare mess are only concerned with being open and transparent. They only care for the poor and the children...
Puke.
This is by far the most deceitful, self absorbed, power hungry bunch ever to preside in this land.
From special payola to the "green industry" to this proven incompetent software developer the party in power has laundered millions in taxpayer money through these companies and back to the party of der leader. Fascist thuggery is on display in the house, the senate, the whitehouse and in the "agencies turned authorities" created by the government.
whom

Cleveland, GA

#29398 Nov 1, 2013
"Don’t Worry – The Government Says That The Inflation You See Is Just Your Imagination"


"-McDonald’s has killed the dollar menu because it is becoming impossible to “make any money selling burgers for $1“.

But don’t worry – the government says that the inflation you see is just your imagination.

-Amazon.com has raised the minimum order size required for free shipping from $25 to $35.

But don’t worry – you can afford to order more stuff thanks to the great new job that you got during this “economic recovery”.

-It is being projected that those using natural gas to heat their homes will see their heating costs rise by 13 percent this winter.

But don’t worry –“global warming” should kick in to high gear any day now.

-The price of chocolate has gone up by 45 percent since 2007, and it is being projected that it will now be increasing at an even faster pace.

But don’t worry – eating chocolate is bad for you anyway.

-Thanks to Obamacare, the health insurance premiums of many American families are absolutely skyrocketing. As I wrote about the other day, one family down in Texas just got a letter informing them that their health insurance premiums are going up by 539 percent.

But don’t worry – this is just “health care reform” in action.

Meanwhile, things just continue to get tougher for middle class American families. Household incomes have actually been declining for five years in a row and total consumer credit has risen by a whopping 22 percent over the past three years.

The quality of our jobs continues to go down and our paychecks are not keeping up with inflation. In fact, 40 percent of all U.S. workers are now making less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968 after you account for inflation.

So what do the “authorities” say that the solution to our problems is?

They want even more inflation of course. According to CNBC, many Federal Reserve officials (including Janet Yellen) believe that what the U.S. economy really needs is a lot more inflation…"



A lot more inflation???
And this woman wants to head the Fed Reserve....




http://www.blacklistednews.com/Don%E2%80%99t_...

Just sayin

Dahlonega, GA

#29399 Nov 1, 2013
whom wrote:
"Don’t Worry – The Government Says That The Inflation You See Is Just Your Imagination"
"-McDonald’s has killed the dollar menu because it is becoming impossible to “make any money selling burgers for $1“.
But don’t worry – the government says that the inflation you see is just your imagination.
-Amazon.com has raised the minimum order size required for free shipping from $25 to $35.
But don’t worry – you can afford to order more stuff thanks to the great new job that you got during this “economic recovery”.
-It is being projected that those using natural gas to heat their homes will see their heating costs rise by 13 percent this winter.
But don’t worry –“global warming” should kick in to high gear any day now.
-The price of chocolate has gone up by 45 percent since 2007, and it is being projected that it will now be increasing at an even faster pace.
But don’t worry – eating chocolate is bad for you anyway.
-Thanks to Obamacare, the health insurance premiums of many American families are absolutely skyrocketing. As I wrote about the other day, one family down in Texas just got a letter informing them that their health insurance premiums are going up by 539 percent.
But don’t worry – this is just “health care reform” in action.
Meanwhile, things just continue to get tougher for middle class American families. Household incomes have actually been declining for five years in a row and total consumer credit has risen by a whopping 22 percent over the past three years.
The quality of our jobs continues to go down and our paychecks are not keeping up with inflation. In fact, 40 percent of all U.S. workers are now making less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968 after you account for inflation.
So what do the “authorities” say that the solution to our problems is?
They want even more inflation of course. According to CNBC, many Federal Reserve officials (including Janet Yellen) believe that what the U.S. economy really needs is a lot more inflation…"
A lot more inflation???
And this woman wants to head the Fed Reserve....
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Don%E2%80%99t_...
Just another Keynesian central planner and devotee to the Jimmy Carter school of economics. High inflation, high unemployment and high interest rates; AKA the Misery Index.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#29400 Nov 1, 2013
Those whiny Right Wing Wackos. if they can't harm America by shutting down the entire government, will keep shutting down the Congress.

Since they can't win every vote in the Senate, they just stop the Senate from voting.

When they were kids, they they lost the game, these were the crybabies who took their baseball and went home and cried to mommy.

NYTimes: G.O.P. Filibuster of 2 Obama Picks Sets Up Fight

http://nyti.ms/1bGvhMc

Senate Republicans thwarted the confirmation of two of President Obama’s nominees, one to an appeals court and another to a home-lending oversight post.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/opinion/zelizer...

Thanks Right Wing Wackos for continuing to demonstrate how much you hate democracy.

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Waters Creek, GA

#29401 Nov 1, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
Those whiny Right Wing Wackos. if they can't harm America by shutting down the entire government, will keep shutting down the Congress.
Since they can't win every vote in the Senate, they just stop the Senate from voting.
When they were kids, they they lost the game, these were the crybabies who took their baseball and went home and cried to mommy.
NYTimes: G.O.P. Filibuster of 2 Obama Picks Sets Up Fight
http://nyti.ms/1bGvhMc
Senate Republicans thwarted the confirmation of two of President Obama’s nominees, one to an appeals court and another to a home-lending oversight post.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/opinion/zelizer...
Thanks Right Wing Wackos for continuing to demonstrate how much you hate democracy.
So you believe that a majority of Americans hate democracy.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#29402 Nov 1, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
...
Only in the land of left wing lunatics does that make sense.
aka, the clueless and uneducated...
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#29403 Nov 1, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>Your so full of bull. I am not going to sit here and argue a page of post with you. It is just this simple. Business AHCA deferments end in 2014. Many of these people will then lose their insurance with their group policies. A few may be able to keep their group insurance for only one more year if they can sign up now. Those that don't will be out of luck unless their employers pay a much higher premium. Many of these people may be put on a 29 hour work week so their employer will not need to give them insurance.
But what do you care, at least at this stage of the game?
Nope

Not true.

But keep cratering Straw Men to attack to try to justify that welfare Right Wingers love to slurp up.
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#29404 Nov 1, 2013
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>So you believe that a majority of Americans hate democracy.
See that's the Right Wing Teapublican problem in a nutshell.

Teapublicans want to believe, or at least pretend, they represent the majority, when they do not.

Simple facts:

More Americans voted for a Democratic President than Republican in the last two elections.

More Americans voted for a Democratic Senate than a Republican Senate in the last two elections.

More Americans voted for a Democratic House than Republican House in the last two elections.

More Americans voted for Liberals, Progressives and Moderates than Teapubkicans.

Republicans are the minority, not the majority.

Despite being a minority in 2 of the 3 branches of government, then Teapublicans can't win the votes, so they damage America by filibustering everything the majority of the people elected their representatives to accomplish.

Those are just plain indisputable facts.

So... The minority Teapublicans hate democracy - because the democracy voted against them. That's why they resort to blackmail, extortion and filibuster to stop the will of the people from being implemented.

Nothing to dispute.

Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#29405 Nov 1, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
<quoted text>Just another Keynesian central planner and devotee to the Jimmy Carter school of economics. High inflation, high unemployment and high interest rates; AKA the Misery Index.
Inflation ?

1.2 % is a problem ?
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#29406 Nov 1, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>Inflation ?

1.2 % is a problem ?
McDonalds ?

$5.5 Billion Dollars is admitted profits is enough ?
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#29407 Nov 1, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
McDonalds ?

$5.5 Billion Dollars is admitted profits is enough ?
Amazon ?

Amazon has been a point of interest to investment analysts for years.

Amazon reinvests all available profit - so nobody knows what Amazon's profit actually is.

Here's a great article.

http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2013/8/8/a...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#29408 Nov 1, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
So someone explain the logic to me. Obama says we needs to completely makeover the American healthcare system because 30-40 million Americans don't have health insurance (not that they can't receive care, but that they don't have health insurance).
Latest estimates say that even after all this is said and done, 30 million will STILL not have health insurance.
And now we find out that in 2010, Obama officials speculated that as many as 93 million who HAD insurance will LOSE their insurance after implementation of Obamacare.
Only in the land of left wing lunatics does that make sense.
It's just terrible that those freedom loving insurance carriers can't sell crapola anymore.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#29409 Nov 1, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
HA! But seriously, who donates old underwear AND asks for a deduction for it. And really, Bill Clinton's old underwear - the very thought makes me nauseated.
Butt you've devoted two whole posts to the subject.

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