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Blairsville, GA

#29171 Oct 30, 2013
Bruhaha wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
My point was to contrast this to large business and corporations firm belief that they should take any and all tax breaks, be them ethical or not. This amounts to what many would call corporate welfare.
The cult of Captialism considers this phrase, corporate welfare, blasphemous.

Corporate entities represent all that is good and holy, and a fulfillment of all prophecy.

Welfare is given only to those clamoring to destroy the church of Capitalism.

The welfare of Corporate entities is the true and just concern of all citizens.

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#29172 Oct 30, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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Trying to get somebody to talk to you? Forget it. You're an idiot. It's pointless to try and have a discussion with you because you just can't keep up.
And the irony started early this morning...
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#29173 Oct 30, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps if everyone Inc.ed themselves, then they would have the moral obligation, and legal right, to seek every possible break, handout, and loop hole available.

Since everyone would now be a business entity, all can worship at the alter of capitalism, seek profit without moral repercussions, and become a real force behind the invisible hand of the marketplace.

As a business entity what is good for you, is good for America.
Great post.

Of course all educated people know there is no such thing as a "Free Market", and unregulated capitalism always leads to monopolies and serfdom.

But:
I always think of businesses as criminal defense attorneys - it's their job to push the envelope to save their clients.

If the people, through the government, keep letting the businesses get away with murder, I blame the people, not the businesses.

If people are so stupid that they allow Exxon Mobile, a company that made $45 Billion Dollars in profits, to get hundreds of millions in taxpayers subsidies, I blame stupid voters who vote for politicians who provide those subsidies.

If people are so stupid as to protest ObamaCare, which like Medicare will someday save their lives,
and support GE, paying no taxes, and also receiving over $ 4 Billion in Tax Rebates, they deserve to be serfs to their corporate masters.

But hey.... Maybe in the New America Serfdom Joan won't be able to marry Kathy, and we can possess 260 round magazines for our AR-15 a2s, and that's what matters after all.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#29174 Oct 30, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Elton John is great !
As a Cubs fan, Elton John and Bruce Springsteen were the only "winners" I ever say at Wrigley Field.
Elton John sucks peter,(like you)and the Cubs just suck, also like you.:(

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Blairsville, GA

#29175 Oct 30, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
What some (many?) would call corporate welfare, many would call prudent and legal business practice. Be advised, for those that haven't been paying attention, the Board of Directors have a fiduciary responsibility to the investors (aka people that have put their money into a company). If someone DIDN'T "take" all legitimate tax breaks (as the poster calls them, many would call them legitimate business deductions), their performance would be called into question, as they wouldn't be putting best efforts for the company.

Would you, as a shareholder, be happy if a company you have an ownership interest in wasn't doing what they could to maximize your return? Perhaps in libroid world it works...
Thank you for confirming that someone makes a decision to take profit without regard for the impact upon the economy as a whole. Some one at Walmart decides what wages and hours will be, regardless of the impact on the income of the worker.

So, as a shareholder what you are taking as dividends you are willing to give back in taxes to support assistance, right?

So, if we must accept that the fiduciary responsibility to the investors is paramount, then the investors must accept a greater tax burden to support public assistance.

See how the equation balances.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#29176 Oct 30, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>The cult of Captialism considers this phrase, corporate welfare, blasphemous.

Corporate entities represent all that is good and holy, and a fulfillment of all prophecy.

Welfare is given only to those clamoring to destroy the church of Capitalism.

The welfare of Corporate entities is the true and just concern of all citizens.
Great post.

What's amazing is how people have come to conflate "Capitalism" with patriotism.

Capitalism is an economic system - nothing else. "Patriots" can be capitalist, socialists, or communists or those of us who believe in "mixed economies".

Ironically, no economic system - left unregulated - is more dangerous to democracy and freedom because it inevitably concentrates all wealth and power in the hands if the favored few.

Some of most socialist countries in the world are among the happiest and the most free.

Some of the most capitalist countries in the world are the biggest hell holes where freedom is the freedom to die penniless and miserable.

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#29177 Oct 30, 2013
Bruhaha wrote:
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Of course you missed my entire point - that's not new in this forum. If it's so appropriate for businesses to take all deductions possible, why would't it equally appropriate for poor people to take every type of government assistance possible? Do as I say, not as I do, perhaps? Yet many of you rail on about those on welfare.
Of course, when businesses are at the trough it's different, right?
How about a real discussion of why so many people need government assistance? Lazy? Dumb? Ignorant? Not everyone are those things. Perhaps capitalism has gone a bit awry. But, as I.O. would say, bow down to that god of capitalism. Praise him.
"If it's so appropriate for businesses to take all deductions possible, why would't it equally appropriate for poor people to take every type of government assistance possible?"

Apples and oranges.

And, another Straw Man argument rears it's ugly head...

I have never said, nor am I aware that anyone else has said that those that really need assistance should be able to access or utilize government assistance.

What I am against is people that "game" the system. If you're insinuating that there's not rampant abuse of the system, you're being disingenuous at best, or, perhaps, clueless and uneducated.

A YouTube video comes to mind, where a fairly young woman says something like, "I got 15 kids, somebody's gotta pay for them." Or the young woman in California, I believe,(the Left coast) that talked about how much more money she would get from the State if she had more kids...

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Draketown, GA

#29178 Oct 30, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Thank you for confirming that someone makes a decision to take profit without regard for the impact upon the economy as a whole. Some one at Walmart decides what wages and hours will be, regardless of the impact on the income of the worker.
So, as a shareholder what you are taking as dividends you are willing to give back in taxes to support assistance, right?
So, if we must accept that the fiduciary responsibility to the investors is paramount, then the investors must accept a greater tax burden to support public assistance.
See how the equation balances.
The investors, or any entity for that matter, only need to accept the burden as mandated by law.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#29179 Oct 30, 2013
Schumer and Soros has already bought and payed for Obama.....:( Now they're fixin to try and buy 10 House seats in 2014....:(
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/immigration-r...
Impeach Obama and get rid of that demon Schumer Today!

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#29180 Oct 30, 2013
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Blairsville, GA

#29181 Oct 30, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"If it's so appropriate for businesses to take all deductions possible, why would't it equally appropriate for poor people to take every type of government assistance possible?"
Apples and oranges.
And, another Straw Man argument rears it's ugly head...
I have never said, nor am I aware that anyone else has said that those that really need assistance should be able to access or utilize government assistance.
What I am against is people that "game" the system. If you're insinuating that there's not rampant abuse of the system, you're being disingenuous at best, or, perhaps, clueless and uneducated.
A YouTube video comes to mind, where a fairly young woman says something like, "I got 15 kids, somebody's gotta pay for them." Or the young woman in California, I believe,(the Left coast) that talked about how much more money she would get from the State if she had more kids...
I just love it when you use the words "clueless and uneducated", then proceed to use ancedotal examples to rationalize your belief of "rampant abuse of the system".

Please keep posting, no one could make this stuff up better than your own words.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#29182 Oct 30, 2013
Corporatists, are doing their best(with the help of Obama)to turn us all into their slaves. With the help of those dirty rotten catholics, of course.....:(
http://personalliberty.com/2013/10/30/will-co...
Impeach Obama Today!

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#29183 Oct 30, 2013
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So much Liberal ignorance on one page.

We have "Bruhaha" who tries to equate:
A BUSINESS/CORPORATION that after risking capital to begin and grow:
- employs people who now have salaries with which to support themselves and their families (and pay taxes),
-that produces either goods or services that have value that consumers wish to purchase and that contribute to the overall health of the economy (and those goods or services also have taxes tacked on)
-and that pays its legal taxes, but also avails itself of any legal deductions it can so as to retain as much capital as possible in order to
-grow and employ more people (who then will pay taxes).

With:
"poor people (who)... take every type of government assistance possible".

Do you seriously not see the difference between those who contribute to this society and those who - however harsh it may sound- only take from this society? And just where do you think the money to give that assistance comes from - the taxes paid on the salaries and income CREATED by the businesses/corporations/small businesses/entrepreneurs.

And once again, no one on the Right begrudges assistance to those who need help either through illness or disability or through a rough patch - but when it becomes a way of life for the able bodied - yeah, we have a problem. A Brookings Institute study showed three simple rules that, if followed, will virtually guarantee a 98% chance of getting out of and staying out of poverty:

Stay in school and earn a high school diploma
Don’t get pregnant until you are married
When you get out of school, get a job

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Then we have IO who still doesn't know the difference between income taxes and capital gains taxes (that are applicable to money that is risked with no guarantee of return and with the risk of being lost AND that has been taxed once already.)
Bruhaha

Blairsville, GA

#29184 Oct 30, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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"If it's so appropriate for businesses to take all deductions possible, why would't it equally appropriate for poor people to take every type of government assistance possible?"
Apples and oranges.
And, another Straw Man argument rears it's ugly head...
I have never said, nor am I aware that anyone else has said that those that really need assistance should be able to access or utilize government assistance.
What I am against is people that "game" the system. If you're insinuating that there's not rampant abuse of the system, you're being disingenuous at best, or, perhaps, clueless and uneducated.
A YouTube video comes to mind, where a fairly young woman says something like, "I got 15 kids, somebody's gotta pay for them." Or the young woman in California, I believe,(the Left coast) that talked about how much more money she would get from the State if she had more kids...
Do explain why it's "apples and oranges." I doubt you can. Why? You might just be clueless and uneducated.

As for welfare abuse, I've already discussed that: it exists and is deplorable, just as there are some businesses who exploit and abuse the tax system, which is also deplorable. Anyways, this part of your replay is your usual diversion tactic, what you do when you can't give an intellectual argument concerning the real issue.

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Blairsville, GA

#29186 Oct 30, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
Page 1396
So much Liberal ignorance on one page.
We have "Bruhaha" who tries to equate:
A BUSINESS/CORPORATION that after risking capital to begin and grow:
- employs people who now have salaries with which to support themselves and their families (and pay taxes),
-that produces either goods or services that have value that consumers wish to purchase and that contribute to the overall health of the economy (and those goods or services also have taxes tacked on)
-and that pays its legal taxes, but also avails itself of any legal deductions it can so as to retain as much capital as possible in order to
-grow and employ more people (who then will pay taxes).
With:
"poor people (who)... take every type of government assistance possible".
Do you seriously not see the difference between those who contribute to this society and those who - however harsh it may sound- only take from this society? And just where do you think the money to give that assistance comes from - the taxes paid on the salaries and income CREATED by the businesses/corporations/small businesses/entrepreneurs.
And once again, no one on the Right begrudges assistance to those who need help either through illness or disability or through a rough patch - but when it becomes a way of life for the able bodied - yeah, we have a problem. A Brookings Institute study showed three simple rules that, if followed, will virtually guarantee a 98% chance of getting out of and staying out of poverty:
Stay in school and earn a high school diploma
Don’t get pregnant until you are married
When you get out of school, get a job
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Then we have IO who still doesn't know the difference between income taxes and capital gains taxes (that are applicable to money that is risked with no guarantee of return and with the risk of being lost AND that has been taxed once already.)
Apparently in school you were playing hooky the day reading comprehension was taught.

Since: Oct 13

Albany, GA

#29187 Oct 30, 2013
Bruhaha wrote:
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Apparently in school you were playing hooky the day reading comprehension was taught.
What is wrong with the TEA PARTY?
We want God to be put back in our government and schools.
We want all branches of the government to abide by the Constitution.
We want the government to let the people have freedom.
Patrick Henry said it best - GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.
We want the government to for the people and of the people.
We want to be governed at the lowest levels. Federal government have very little say.
We want freedom of speech.
We want freedom to bear arms.
We want our borders secured.
We want ILLEGAL immigrants prosecuted.
We want law officers in whom you can put trust in and not be entrapped.
We want a balance budget in all levels of government.
We want American business to be able to make a profit without the government taking away from them to pay for people who will not work.
We believe in paying a fair wage for a fair days work.
We believe that if you don't work you should not eat.
We believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
We believe that if you have sex outside of wedlock it is ADULTERY. We the people should not required to reward you for your life of sin by having an ABORTION or by paying for the expense of that child.
We want a drug free America.
We want to able to walk down the street and not be attacked.
We believe in supporting the VETERANS who have sacrificed for this country.
We believe that Social Security has problems that need to be addressed and there are no easy solutions to this problem.
We believe that the government needs to get out of the EDUCATION business. Get rid of the Dept. of Education.
We want our schools to quit indoctrinating our children with socialism, homosexuality, and Islam.
We want to do away with the EPA.
We believe that college education is an privilege, not a right.
Do I need to say more. I could.
Let's negotiate, LIBERALS, something you did not do and you shut the government down, despite the LIBERAL media spin.

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Since: Jul 11

Draketown, GA

#29188 Oct 30, 2013
Bruhaha wrote:
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there are some businesses who exploit and abuse the tax system.
Specifically?
Doo

Summerville, GA

#29189 Oct 30, 2013
Scotty Searan wrote:
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What is wrong with the TEA PARTY?
We want God to be put back in our government and schools.
We want all branches of the government to abide by the Constitution.
We want the government to let the people have freedom.
Patrick Henry said it best - GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.
We want the government to for the people and of the people.
We want to be governed at the lowest levels. Federal government have very little say.
We want freedom of speech.
We want freedom to bear arms.
We want our borders secured.
We want ILLEGAL immigrants prosecuted.
We want law officers in whom you can put trust in and not be entrapped.
We want a balance budget in all levels of government.
We want American business to be able to make a profit without the government taking away from them to pay for people who will not work.
We believe in paying a fair wage for a fair days work.
We believe that if you don't work you should not eat.
We believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
We believe that if you have sex outside of wedlock it is ADULTERY. We the people should not required to reward you for your life of sin by having an ABORTION or by paying for the expense of that child.
We want a drug free America.
We want to able to walk down the street and not be attacked.
We believe in supporting the VETERANS who have sacrificed for this country.
We believe that Social Security has problems that need to be addressed and there are no easy solutions to this problem.
We believe that the government needs to get out of the EDUCATION business. Get rid of the Dept. of Education.
We want our schools to quit indoctrinating our children with socialism, homosexuality, and Islam.
We want to do away with the EPA.
We believe that college education is an privilege, not a right.
Do I need to say more. I could.
Let's negotiate, LIBERALS, something you did not do and you shut the government down, despite the LIBERAL media spin.
I want a Country where when the losers lose then they take a back seat to the winners and not shut down the Government by trying to blackmail their agenda through. I want a Country that still has morals to help the ones that are not capable of helping themselves, just like Jesus Christ did when he walked the Earth. I want a County where the liars and distorters are brought to light and punished accordingly. I want a Country where all Americans are offered affordable health care and not just the healthy and wealthy, which is what is wrong with our Nation today. I want a Country where all small businessmen as well as large businessmen can share the economy and not letting the giant monolopy companies to exist by owning all the market and shutting all others out. This is not free enterprise but more like Communist at work. I want a Country where one group of about 40 Congressmen can not hold the whole Worlds economy in jeapordy. I want a Country where a flat income tax rate is applied to all Americans and doo away with all the loop holes and hidaways for the wealthy.
lazyboybb1

Kingsland, GA

#29190 Oct 30, 2013
I agree with Scotty Searan, Whats wrong with the TEA PARTY.

Its hard to believe that there are Americans that would not want these things.

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Bruhaha

Blairsville, GA

#29191 Oct 30, 2013
Scotty Searan wrote:
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What is wrong with the TEA PARTY?
We want God to be put back in our government and schools.
We want all branches of the government to abide by the Constitution.
We want the government to let the people have freedom.
Patrick Henry said it best - GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.
We want the government to for the people and of the people.
We want to be governed at the lowest levels. Federal government have very little say.
We want freedom of speech.
We want freedom to bear arms.
We want our borders secured.
We want ILLEGAL immigrants prosecuted.
We want law officers in whom you can put trust in and not be entrapped.
We want a balance budget in all levels of government.
We want American business to be able to make a profit without the government taking away from them to pay for people who will not work.
We believe in paying a fair wage for a fair days work.
We believe that if you don't work you should not eat.
We believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
We believe that if you have sex outside of wedlock it is ADULTERY. We the people should not required to reward you for your life of sin by having an ABORTION or by paying for the expense of that child.
We want a drug free America.
We want to able to walk down the street and not be attacked.
We believe in supporting the VETERANS who have sacrificed for this country.
We believe that Social Security has problems that need to be addressed and there are no easy solutions to this problem.
We believe that the government needs to get out of the EDUCATION business. Get rid of the Dept. of Education.
We want our schools to quit indoctrinating our children with socialism, homosexuality, and Islam.
We want to do away with the EPA.
We believe that college education is an privilege, not a right.
Do I need to say more. I could.
Let's negotiate, LIBERALS, something you did not do and you shut the government down, despite the LIBERAL media spin.
Hey, I agree with many of your goals...

BUT you say...

"We believe that the government needs to get out of the EDUCATION business. Get rid of the Dept. of Education."

and

"We want to do away with the EPA."

Seriously, dude. I guess education should be only for the rich who can afford it, and big business should be allowed to pollute and destroy just for profits. Bow down to your god of capitalism.

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