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Columbus, GA

#25272 Sep 23, 2013
ME.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#25273 Sep 23, 2013
small business wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
So it was signed into law after reconciliation.
Here it is plain as day...

Law passed and signed into law thru normal methods,
Law amended (existing law changed) thru reconciliation.

...So Obamacare—The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act—was actually passed in normal fashion without the use of Budget Reconciliation. However, Democrats did use Budget Reconciliation to amend the Act shortly after it was signed into law.
News Flash

Braselton, GA

#25274 Sep 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Here it is plain as day...
Law passed and signed into law thru normal methods,
Law amended (existing law changed) thru reconciliation.
...So Obamacare—The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act—was actually passed in normal fashion without the use of Budget Reconciliation. However, Democrats did use Budget Reconciliation to amend the Act shortly after it was signed into law.
Wrong yet again. Revising history to back it more palatable is not an honest method.
The House bill never passed. Rather the Senate bill was passed with some parliamentary maneuvering. The house took up the senate bill and amended it removing some of the bribes that were in the senate version. Corn husker kick back sound familiar? It was passed then through the reconciliation process under the name Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, because there was no way it survives filibuster in the senate.
The reason the house could take up the senate version is that it wasn't a tax because all tax bills must originate in the house. That was the story and the democrats were sticking to it, until they were challenged in the supreme court, so it would seem plausible that this isn't a valid law at all.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#25275 Sep 23, 2013
News Flash wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Wrong yet again. Revising history to back it more palatable is not an honest method.
The House bill never passed. Rather the Senate bill was passed with some parliamentary maneuvering. The house took up the senate bill and amended it removing some of the bribes that were in the senate version. Corn husker kick back sound familiar? It was passed then through the reconciliation process under the name Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, because there was no way it survives filibuster in the senate.
The reason the house could take up the senate version is that it wasn't a tax because all tax bills must originate in the house. That was the story and the democrats were sticking to it, until they were challenged in the supreme court, so it would seem plausible that this isn't a valid law at all.
Right Wing Whacko's keep proving they skipped Civics and skipped English, this explains the lack of basic comprehension.

This is a fact, the ACA becomes law:
The House passed the Senate bill on March 21, 2010 by a vote of 219 to 212. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was signed into law by Obama on March 23, 2010.

This is a fact, the existing law is amended:
Pelosi then introduced the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 to make changes to the Affordable Care Act. The Democrats used reconciliation to pass the amendments. On March 26, 2010, the Senate approved the amendments, 56 to 43, and the House passed them, 220 to 207. Obama signed the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 into law on March 30, 2010.
News Flash

Braselton, GA

#25276 Sep 23, 2013
goodbye whackos wrote:
<quoted text>
Your ignorance knows no boundaries.
Health costs have escalated for many years at a very rapid rate. The Congress can change or completely do away with any bill it choses, even if the President doesn't want that to happen. You need to get our of your circle of friends and meet the real world. Our health care for our people is far from what you believe, find a reputable study that refutes that statement, you can't. Google the World Health Organizations health care rating by country. Look at the number of Americans who retire to countries with government backed health care. TALK to REAL people from those countries!! The ones I know that you say I don't are from England, New Zealand and Canada and they truly love it. Open you eyes, expand your horizons past the nose on your face.
Big and small business have been doing away with workers health care for many years, this trend is NOTHING new. I will admit that the health care bill just gives the business's that were going to cut employee benefits someone else to blame. In this country at one point business and its employees had a partnership of sorts, they helped each other. That stopped when they found out they could ship our countries jobs offshore, pay lower wages and cut benefits at home with no effect on the amount of business done at home. With no government oversight and nothing but higher profits they took that ball and ran with it. The result is and will continue to be the ruination of the middle class, but you don't care. The top 1% took home 20% of the money made in this country last year, as the middle class continues its decline. We have some pockets in this country that are nothing more than 3rd world countries inside our borders, the Navajo reservation in New Mexico is just one example that nobody cares about. They have church organizations and not for profits trying to help but it to large a job. Its one government should be doing, but can't do in our current political environment of its all about ME. You are brain washed by TV and radio talk shows. One really encouraging thing yesterday on FNC's morning show was the tone had really changed. FNC is about making money, the whacko wing of the party is pushing for government shut down. FNC wants to keep making money, so they were TOTALLY against what the whacko wing is doing. Telling them all they are going to accomplish is helping Obama, like the did when they tried the same stunt when Clinton was President. The list of candidates for President the whacko wing is pushing will do nothing more than insure another Clinton in the White House. The real news being that the whacko wing is losing is grip on the party, its reps in Congress do nothing but make things worse, goodbye whacko's!!!
i'm so glad you know what business people were going to do before they did it.
Do you have any experience in making business decisions in real life or are you satisfied with whatever wikipedia and your handlers tell you?
Benefits are the best way possible for an employer to give employees a raise.
Your argument makes zero sense.
Health insurance benefits aren't subject to overtime or the employer's share of FICA nor is it in the mix when workman's comp rates are figured.
Benefits such as health insurance came into being as a method of attracting the best employees when there was a freeze on wages.
How many people today took jobs for the insurance? Ever consider that those who will lose the spousal and/or family coverage because of the new law? Ever consider what it will cost those people to replace this benefit?
I didn't think so.
hayneedle

Kingsland, GA

#25277 Sep 23, 2013
Thomas County Blogger wrote:
<quoted text>
The truth is the truth no matter how long it takes for some people to finally realize it. If the Repubs hadn't pillaged the economy and started an unnecessary war with made up intelligence, and deregulated banks and Wall Street for the benefit of their friends, and put in place an unfunded prescription drug plan that costs taxpayers a trillion dollars a year (every year)... and more, then, yes, it might not be appropriate to "blame" tham for the current economic crisis. But, they did all that and more and will do it again if they should regain enough control to once again rape America. Not only should Georgia's Senators be "sent to the showers", but so should the Republican Congressmen and the Republican Governor.
Yes, I am most assuredly a Democrat, and suprise to you, I'm white, and make nearly 200k/year... I wouldn't mind paying the tax if they would go ahead and repeal the Bush tax cuts. That's the only way out grandchildren will possibly be out of debt. If the Republicans regain control they have ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN for reducing debt or deficit, or anything else... but they will raise not only those, but also their own bank balances and those of their "fat cat" friends.
Theirs a "social Issue" at work here and no amount of Red Neck rhetoric can change that.
You seem a fairly media wise individual but you still don't get it! They (the top 2% economically) get two candidates on the ballot and we are told to choose. They get the gold mine and we get the shaft. It's THEM versus US. And US is losing!
OMTE

Moultrie, GA

#25279 Sep 23, 2013
That criminal Reid can only fund Obamacare with help from his RINO buddies. Call them today and tell them not to vote for "cloture" or find another job!
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Cape Coral, FL

#25280 Sep 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Dear Bonehead,

You have a glaring comprehension problem, better button up that pie hole until you have the problem resolved.

By the way, there were TWO references in my post:

the first dealt with reconciliation and Obamacare which showed that the original law was passed without reconciliation and was then amended using reconciliation.

the second dealt with the historical use of reconciliation which showed that such dictatorial methods were employed by Republicans 17 out of 22 times.

So, Obamacare was passed using normal methods and Republicans have a flagrant history of ramrodding as dictatorial overlords.

Just sayin',
them's the facts.
Oh those pesky facts.

On Right Wing Wacko Planet such facts play no role in reaching conclusions.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#25281 Sep 23, 2013
goodbye whackos wrote:
<quoted text>Your ignorance knows no boundaries.

Health costs have escalated for many years at a very rapid rate. The Congress can change or completely do away with any bill it choses, even if the President doesn't want that to happen. You need to get our of your circle of friends and meet the real world. Our health care for our people is far from what you believe, find a reputable study that refutes that statement, you can't. Google the World Health Organizations health care rating by country. Look at the number of Americans who retire to countries with government backed health care. TALK to REAL people from those countries!! The ones I know that you say I don't are from England, New Zealand and Canada and they truly love it. Open you eyes, expand your horizons past the nose on your face.

Big and small business have been doing away with workers health care for many years, this trend is NOTHING new. I will admit that the health care bill just gives the business's that were going to cut employee benefits someone else to blame. In this country at one point business and its employees had a partnership of sorts, they helped each other. That stopped when they found out they could ship our countries jobs offshore, pay lower wages and cut benefits at home with no effect on the amount of business done at home. With no government oversight and nothing but higher profits they took that ball and ran with it. The result is and will continue to be the ruination of the middle class, but you don't care. The top 1% took home 20% of the money made in this country last year, as the middle class continues its decline. We have some pockets in this country that are nothing more than 3rd world countries inside our borders, the Navajo reservation in New Mexico is just one example that nobody cares about. They have church organizations and not for profits trying to help but it to large a job. Its one government should be doing, but can't do in our current political environment of its all about ME. You are brain washed by TV and radio talk shows. One really encouraging thing yesterday on FNC's morning show was the tone had really changed. FNC is about making money, the whacko wing of the party is pushing for government shut down. FNC wants to keep making money, so they were TOTALLY against what the whacko wing is doing. Telling them all they are going to accomplish is helping Obama, like the did when they tried the same stunt when Clinton was President. The list of candidates for President the whacko wing is pushing will do nothing more than insure another Clinton in the White House. The real news being that the whacko wing is losing is grip on the party, its reps in Congress do nothing but make things worse, goodbye whacko's!!!
The "Post of the Week" Award winner !
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#25282 Sep 23, 2013
silver foxx wrote:
<quoted text>I have boatloads of Canadian friends who fled their home country for 2 reasons. They were tired of hibernating 8 months of every year and for lack of quality healhcare. I'm happy to report, 3 recently pledged & became legalized citizens of America. Wow! What a party! So do some research with real people who have lived in Canada their whole lives & watched mama & papa wait months & months for knee or hip replacements. You havent a clue, dear. It's so very evident. Screw the studies, get out, meet amd greet some happy Canadians turned Americans.
I simply don't believe you.

Here in SW Florida our Canadian friends carefully schedule sufficient time in Canada to qualify for Canadian Heath Services - they believe Americans are morons for maintaining a system that turns medical funds into private profits.
Now

Homer, GA

#25283 Sep 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>

So Obamacare—The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act—was actually passed in normal fashion without the use of Budget Reconciliation. However, Democrats did use Budget Reconciliation to amend the Act shortly after it was signed into law.

While you talk a lot with other people’s words, you fail completely to explain in simple words how the ACA law came about.
The Obama law, ACA, originated in the Senate, using the Commerce Clause as the reasoning to pass the law. The House took it up under the same conditions. All the crap about reconciliation and who did what, is based on the false premise of a law passed under the Commerce Clause.

It took the Supremes to make the law valid, as a tax I might add. Many people remember asking,“What did the Obamanites have on Roberts to blackmail him into finally agreeing with the four miscreant socialists Judges.“

The crux of the Supreme Court ruling on the ACA….

““In the ruling, the court decided the most controversial provision -- an individual mandate requiring people to have health insurance -- is valid as a tax, even though it is impermissible under the Constitution's commerce clause.(The court rejected the arguments of the Obama Administration using the Commerce Clause. The Court ruled it a tax.)

"It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. "Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax."

He later added: "The federal government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance.... The federal government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance."”

This is similar to Cigarette Taxes. If you do NOT want to pay the tax, you can refuse to use the product. While the IRS can apply a tax penalty on persons for not getting the ACA insurance, the IRS has no legal authority to compel the penalty to be paid and no way to file any liens, the IRS Tiger is toothless.

Getting a nasty letter from the IRS is tantamount to screaming wolf, when no wolf exists, only a defanged IRS.

So the Country has a tax mandated by the Supreme Court, but not collectible if folks so choose to ignore. The Constitutional requirement that the House pass tax laws has been over-ruled by 5, in robes of black.
News Flash

Reidsville, GA

#25284 Sep 23, 2013
Now

Homer, GA

#25285 Sep 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhmmmm, what the polls are REALLY sayin'....
While negative views on the law continue to outpace positive ones this month, a majority of the public says they disapprove of cutting off funding as a way to stop the law’s implementation. The most commonly chosen reason for opposition to defunding the ACA is that “using the budget process to stop a law is not the way our government should work,” followed by a belief that “without funding the law will be crippled and won’t work as planned,” and feeling that the law will be “a good thing for the country.”
Kaiser Health Tracking Poll: August 2013
http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kai...
As outreach efforts for enrollment in the health insurance marketplaces created by the Affordable Care Act (ACA) increase over the summer, the August Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds that the public’s most trusted sources of information on the law are not necessarily the ones people are most likely to be hearing from. The public is most likely to say they trust health care professionals like doctors, nurses, and pharmacists, as well as federal and state health agencies when it comes to information about the law. Young adults, a key target of outreach efforts, are particularly likely to say they trust official sources of information like state and federal agencies. By contrast, the most common places where people say they’ve actually heard about the law are from the news media, family and friends. A third of the public now says they’ve heard “a lot” or “some” about the health insurance marketplace in their state, up from 22 percent in June. Despite saying they’ve heard about the law from various sources, confusion remains, with more than four in ten saying the law has been repealed or overturned, or being unsure whether it remains the law of the land. And about half say they don’t understand how the law will impact their own families. While negative views on the law continue to outpace positive ones this month, a majority of the public says they disapprove of cutting off funding as a way to stop the law’s implementation. The most commonly chosen reason for opposition to defunding the ACA is that “using the budget process to stop a law is not the way our government should work,” followed by a belief that “without funding the law will be crippled and won’t work as planned,” and feeling that the law will be “a good thing for the country.”

Let me understand correctly; you are quoting a poll reflecting each poll number below 50%??

The highest percentage being 44%??

And the poll shows no majority (more than 50%) in any of the catagories.
And the poll emphasizes young people and democrats who vote based on their feelings??

Only in the minds of a limited libroid can these ideas be expressed.

Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#25286 Sep 23, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>A majority of the people didn't and still don't want it. Why won't he stop it? He can. The REPUBLICANS are trying to stop the funding.
Glad you admit that you won't EVER be WRONG about ANYTHING. Your support of this dictator is shameful. I get perverse pleasure KNOWING that you'll pay for lock stepping behind der Obama.
Waaaahhhhh !

Waaaaaaahh !

I'm a freeloading deadbeat Right Wing Wacko Terrorist.

I don't want to pay my own medical bills.

If the democratically elected government tries to make me pay my own way I'm gonna blow up the nation's economy.

Me and my Al Queda buddies hate democracy, we want our own way.

Waaaaaaaahhhh !

silver foxx

Nashville, GA

#25287 Sep 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply don't believe you.
Here in SW Florida our Canadian friends carefully schedule sufficient time in Canada to qualify for Canadian Heath Services - they believe Americans are morons for maintaining a system that turns medical funds into private profits.
I simply could care less. I have no reason to have make believe Canadian friends, dumbass.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#25288 Sep 23, 2013
Now wrote:
<quoted text>While you talk a lot with other peopleÂ’s words, you fail completely to explain in simple words how the ACA law came about.
The Obama law, ACA, originated in the Senate, using the Commerce Clause as the reasoning to pass the law. The House took it up under the same conditions. All the crap about reconciliation and who did what, is based on the false premise of a law passed under the Commerce Clause.

It took the Supremes to make the law valid, as a tax I might add. Many people remember asking,“What did the Obamanites have on Roberts to blackmail him into finally agreeing with the four miscreant socialists Judges.“

The crux of the Supreme Court ruling on the ACAÂ….

““In the ruling, the court decided the most controversial provision -- an individual mandate requiring people to have health insurance -- is valid as a tax, even though it is impermissible under the Constitution's commerce clause.(The court rejected the arguments of the Obama Administration using the Commerce Clause. The Court ruled it a tax.)

"It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. "Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax."

He later added: "The federal government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance.... The federal government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance."”

This is similar to Cigarette Taxes. If you do NOT want to pay the tax, you can refuse to use the product. While the IRS can apply a tax penalty on persons for not getting the ACA insurance, the IRS has no legal authority to compel the penalty to be paid and no way to file any liens, the IRS Tiger is toothless.

Getting a nasty letter from the IRS is tantamount to screaming wolf, when no wolf exists, only a defanged IRS.

So the Country has a tax mandated by the Supreme Court, but not collectible if folks so choose to ignore. The Constitutional requirement that the House pass tax laws has been over-ruled by 5, in robes of black.
What a strange a wondrous concept - requiring people buying insurance to pay their own medical bills.

Who could possible be I favor of allowing freeloading deadbeat parasites to continue to steal the money of hard-working Americans who actually pay taxes and pay for medical care ?
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#25289 Sep 23, 2013
Now wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
While you talk a lot with other people’s words, you fail completely to explain in simple words how the ACA law came about.....
Course the original comment by Just Sayin' was that the ACA was passed by reconciliation, which has been clearly shown to be a FALSE statement.
OMTE

Moultrie, GA

#25290 Sep 23, 2013
Very interesting.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/1-million-tr...
Impeach Obama Today!
Now

Homer, GA

#25291 Sep 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
What a strange a wondrous concept - requiring people buying insurance to pay their own medical bills.
Who could possible be I favor of allowing freeloading deadbeat parasites to continue to steal the money of hard-working Americans who actually pay taxes and pay for medical care ?

Dummy one says::
It’s a requirement, when the Supremes say it’s a choice. Which do I believe?? The Supremes of course, since they are the ones who usurped the Constitutional Authority of the House to set the Budget.
Many will choose not to buy the insurance and the FEDs can’t do a dam thing about it.

And since the House has the authority to pass a budget, they also have the power to either fund or not fund the ACA. Time will tell whether or not the rinos will allow the budget to include funding a law perverted by the 5 socialists black robes.
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Course the original comment by Just Sayin' was that the ACA was passed by reconciliation, which has been clearly shown to be a FALSE statement.

Dummy two says:::

Reconciliation is false. Big deal, it doesn’t matter now. The law that was passed was ruled not valid under the pretenses put forward by the perverted socialist’s democrats; only by the pressure of one sorry man in a black robe has this debacle reached the point where we are now. The law is not what was passed by the Senate or the House, the law is what the Supremes say it is.

Will the House have the cojones to affirm their righteous duty to form a budget??? Or will they cave in to underhanded socialists democratic tricks, as some rinos have in the past. Only time will tell.

Either way, it doesn’t make a difference as folks can choose or NOT to choose, to participate in the ACA.

Where the demos have screwed up big time is in not making it mandatory. A sorry Bill with no redeeming value at all. A sorry excuse of legislative loopholes that benefits only a few at the expense of the many.
Medicaid will lose over approx. 8-15 million under the new qualifying rules of the ACA.
Now

Homer, GA

#25292 Sep 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply don't believe you.
Here in SW Florida our Canadian friends carefully schedule sufficient time in Canada to qualify for Canadian Heath Services - they believe Americans are morons for maintaining a system that turns medical funds into private profits.

Canadians visiting North Cuba??

Canadians coming in the droves to get American health care, on a daily basis.

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