Since: Sep 13
#25272 Sep 23, 2013
#25273 Sep 23, 2013
Here it is plain as day...
Law passed and signed into law thru normal methods,
Law amended (existing law changed) thru reconciliation.
...So Obamacare—The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act—was actually passed in normal fashion without the use of Budget Reconciliation. However, Democrats did use Budget Reconciliation to amend the Act shortly after it was signed into law.
#25274 Sep 23, 2013
Wrong yet again. Revising history to back it more palatable is not an honest method.
The House bill never passed. Rather the Senate bill was passed with some parliamentary maneuvering. The house took up the senate bill and amended it removing some of the bribes that were in the senate version. Corn husker kick back sound familiar? It was passed then through the reconciliation process under the name Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, because there was no way it survives filibuster in the senate.
The reason the house could take up the senate version is that it wasn't a tax because all tax bills must originate in the house. That was the story and the democrats were sticking to it, until they were challenged in the supreme court, so it would seem plausible that this isn't a valid law at all.
#25275 Sep 23, 2013
Right Wing Whacko's keep proving they skipped Civics and skipped English, this explains the lack of basic comprehension.
This is a fact, the ACA becomes law:
The House passed the Senate bill on March 21, 2010 by a vote of 219 to 212. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was signed into law by Obama on March 23, 2010.
This is a fact, the existing law is amended:
Pelosi then introduced the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 to make changes to the Affordable Care Act. The Democrats used reconciliation to pass the amendments. On March 26, 2010, the Senate approved the amendments, 56 to 43, and the House passed them, 220 to 207. Obama signed the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 into law on March 30, 2010.
#25276 Sep 23, 2013
i'm so glad you know what business people were going to do before they did it.
Do you have any experience in making business decisions in real life or are you satisfied with whatever wikipedia and your handlers tell you?
Benefits are the best way possible for an employer to give employees a raise.
Your argument makes zero sense.
Health insurance benefits aren't subject to overtime or the employer's share of FICA nor is it in the mix when workman's comp rates are figured.
Benefits such as health insurance came into being as a method of attracting the best employees when there was a freeze on wages.
How many people today took jobs for the insurance? Ever consider that those who will lose the spousal and/or family coverage because of the new law? Ever consider what it will cost those people to replace this benefit?
I didn't think so.
#25277 Sep 23, 2013
You seem a fairly media wise individual but you still don't get it! They (the top 2% economically) get two candidates on the ballot and we are told to choose. They get the gold mine and we get the shaft. It's THEM versus US. And US is losing!
#25279 Sep 23, 2013
That criminal Reid can only fund Obamacare with help from his RINO buddies. Call them today and tell them not to vote for "cloture" or find another job!
#25280 Sep 23, 2013
Oh those pesky facts.
On Right Wing Wacko Planet such facts play no role in reaching conclusions.
#25281 Sep 23, 2013
The "Post of the Week" Award winner !
#25282 Sep 23, 2013
I simply don't believe you.
Here in SW Florida our Canadian friends carefully schedule sufficient time in Canada to qualify for Canadian Heath Services - they believe Americans are morons for maintaining a system that turns medical funds into private profits.
#25283 Sep 23, 2013
While you talk a lot with other people’s words, you fail completely to explain in simple words how the ACA law came about.
The Obama law, ACA, originated in the Senate, using the Commerce Clause as the reasoning to pass the law. The House took it up under the same conditions. All the crap about reconciliation and who did what, is based on the false premise of a law passed under the Commerce Clause.
It took the Supremes to make the law valid, as a tax I might add. Many people remember asking,“What did the Obamanites have on Roberts to blackmail him into finally agreeing with the four miscreant socialists Judges.“
The crux of the Supreme Court ruling on the ACA….
““In the ruling, the court decided the most controversial provision -- an individual mandate requiring people to have health insurance -- is valid as a tax, even though it is impermissible under the Constitution's commerce clause.(The court rejected the arguments of the Obama Administration using the Commerce Clause. The Court ruled it a tax.)
"It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. "Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax."
He later added: "The federal government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance.... The federal government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance."”
This is similar to Cigarette Taxes. If you do NOT want to pay the tax, you can refuse to use the product. While the IRS can apply a tax penalty on persons for not getting the ACA insurance, the IRS has no legal authority to compel the penalty to be paid and no way to file any liens, the IRS Tiger is toothless.
Getting a nasty letter from the IRS is tantamount to screaming wolf, when no wolf exists, only a defanged IRS.
So the Country has a tax mandated by the Supreme Court, but not collectible if folks so choose to ignore. The Constitutional requirement that the House pass tax laws has been over-ruled by 5, in robes of black.
#25284 Sep 23, 2013
#25285 Sep 23, 2013
Let me understand correctly; you are quoting a poll reflecting each poll number below 50%??
The highest percentage being 44%??
And the poll shows no majority (more than 50%) in any of the catagories.
And the poll emphasizes young people and democrats who vote based on their feelings??
Only in the minds of a limited libroid can these ideas be expressed.
#25286 Sep 23, 2013
I'm a freeloading deadbeat Right Wing Wacko Terrorist.
I don't want to pay my own medical bills.
If the democratically elected government tries to make me pay my own way I'm gonna blow up the nation's economy.
Me and my Al Queda buddies hate democracy, we want our own way.
#25287 Sep 23, 2013
I simply could care less. I have no reason to have make believe Canadian friends, dumbass.
#25288 Sep 23, 2013
What a strange a wondrous concept - requiring people buying insurance to pay their own medical bills.
Who could possible be I favor of allowing freeloading deadbeat parasites to continue to steal the money of hard-working Americans who actually pay taxes and pay for medical care ?
#25289 Sep 23, 2013
Course the original comment by Just Sayin' was that the ACA was passed by reconciliation, which has been clearly shown to be a FALSE statement.
#25290 Sep 23, 2013
Impeach Obama Today!
#25291 Sep 23, 2013
Dummy one says::
It’s a requirement, when the Supremes say it’s a choice. Which do I believe?? The Supremes of course, since they are the ones who usurped the Constitutional Authority of the House to set the Budget.
Many will choose not to buy the insurance and the FEDs can’t do a dam thing about it.
And since the House has the authority to pass a budget, they also have the power to either fund or not fund the ACA. Time will tell whether or not the rinos will allow the budget to include funding a law perverted by the 5 socialists black robes.
Dummy two says:::
Reconciliation is false. Big deal, it doesn’t matter now. The law that was passed was ruled not valid under the pretenses put forward by the perverted socialist’s democrats; only by the pressure of one sorry man in a black robe has this debacle reached the point where we are now. The law is not what was passed by the Senate or the House, the law is what the Supremes say it is.
Will the House have the cojones to affirm their righteous duty to form a budget??? Or will they cave in to underhanded socialists democratic tricks, as some rinos have in the past. Only time will tell.
Either way, it doesn’t make a difference as folks can choose or NOT to choose, to participate in the ACA.
Where the demos have screwed up big time is in not making it mandatory. A sorry Bill with no redeeming value at all. A sorry excuse of legislative loopholes that benefits only a few at the expense of the many.
Medicaid will lose over approx. 8-15 million under the new qualifying rules of the ACA.
#25292 Sep 23, 2013
Canadians visiting North Cuba??
Canadians coming in the droves to get American health care, on a daily basis.
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