Agreed

Warner Robins, GA

#2507 Jan 22, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry your hourly rate factory job is so terrible
hang in there for awhile longer
Obama will make sure that all pay is equal so you will be making the same as the owner or ceo of your company
life will be good
Well, look at you and your broken crystal ball. I'm wiling to bet a weeks pay I make more than you period. I'm not a factory worker but there's nothing against that. Matter of fact I am in management dummy and I see it first hand. Now, why don't you hang in there and maybe Obama will fix your little red wagon. Since you think you know so much why aren't you out spending your $ from the "trickle down" economy instead of on here wasting time. Giddyup Mr. I Think I Know It All But Know Nothing, times a wasting!!
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#2508 Jan 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Not at all. The point I was making is that he sees nothing wrong with being rich. Notice he isn't offering to pay any extra taxes that perhaps he "owed" through the years. When he does that, then I'll really listen to him. lol He has somethin like 40 billion or some such. Yeah....he REALLY relates to the middle and lower classes. AND you libs just lap it up. He WAS a BAD, EVIL, RICH man. NOW, he's a paragon of virtue. The cluelessness of the Obama worshippers is only surpassed by how gullible they are.
I will give him this...instead of sitting around and whinning about how unfair life was for him, he got out and did something about it.
We just look at this issue differently.

One of the most knowledgable, experienced, and successful folks in the business, tells you that he succeeded to the extent he did, in part, because the rules were unfairly rigged in his favor, and that you are being screwed. I take away from that that we need to "un-rig" the rules, to make the rules fair, so we don't get screwed.

You take away that we should leave the unfair rules in place, and use the unfair rules yourself to screw your neighbors.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#2509 Jan 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>We just look at this issue differently.

One of the most knowledgable, experienced, and successful folks in the business, tells you that he succeeded to the extent he did, in part, because the rules were unfairly rigged in his favor, and that you are being screwed. I take away from that that we need to "un-rig" the rules, to make the rules fair, so we don't get screwed.

You take away that we should leave the unfair rules in place, and use the unfair rules yourself to screw your neighbors.
Sorry, that was inarticulate.

I should have said you don't seem to consider it screwing others, if they too have the chance to use unfair rules to their advantage.

Kinda like laissez faire on steroids.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2510 Jan 22, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right. Most people would not agree with me. Afterall, they re-elected Obama. They must agree with him in that all corporations are greedy monstors, rich people (if they are conservatives) are selfish and otherwise bad, everytone should receive the same pay and this country doesn't have a spending problem. I understand.
I don't look down on you or anyone else. I admire you for owning your own business.
I am sorry you feel that way and I am sorry you have been infected by the Liberal media and your skewed opinion of what drives this coutnry's economy. That's what makes the world go around, isnt it?
+1 Great post.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2511 Jan 22, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
The misinformed will continue to vote Liberal.
True. Don't you just love how they are ALWAYS correct and everyone else is a product of Fox News? So predictable and hilarious.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#2512 Jan 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
True. Don't you just love how they are ALWAYS correct and everyone else is a product of Fox News? So predictable and hilarious.
+1

Especially when they don't know what the heck they're talking about...

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2513 Jan 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
We just look at this issue differently.
One of the most knowledgable, experienced, and successful folks in the business, tells you that he succeeded to the extent he did, in part, because the rules were unfairly rigged in his favor, and that you are being screwed. I take away from that that we need to "un-rig" the rules, to make the rules fair, so we don't get screwed.
You take away that we should leave the unfair rules in place, and use the unfair rules yourself to screw your neighbors.
Wonder WHY he took advantage until he was around 75 or so and THEN decided to become so noble???? Seems to me he would have stepped up years and years ago if he was so concerned.

Your last sentence is not true. I'm not thinking that the laws shouldn't be changed. I'm just not sure HOW they should be changed. I can tell you this....I'm not so eaten up with bitterness and envy that I blame corporations for all that is wrong with this country. Certainly, the middle class taxes need some work, however, the rules for corporations need to work in such a way that they don't kill the incentive of the corporations to want to stay here and at the same time encourage those which have left to want to come back. Just don't see how we can have the same rules for the private sector that we have for corporations.
I have NEVER witnessed such hatred and divisiveness between the classes, races and political parties. Only one common denominator as far as I can see. His plan is working to perfection. You might say, "Well, good for him". My answer is, "How is this divisiveness working so far?"

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2514 Jan 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, that was inarticulate.
I should have said you don't seem to consider it screwing others, if they too have the chance to use unfair rules to their advantage.
Kinda like laissez faire on steroids.
I don't proclaim to be anyone's moral compass. If the law says it's legal, then don't complain if you decide not to pursue what is available to you.
chevy

Clarkesville, GA

#2515 Jan 23, 2013
Agreed wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, look at you and your broken crystal ball. I'm wiling to bet a weeks pay I make more than you period. I'm not a factory worker but there's nothing against that. Matter of fact I am in management dummy and I see it first hand. Now, why don't you hang in there and maybe Obama will fix your little red wagon. Since you think you know so much why aren't you out spending your $ from the "trickle down" economy instead of on here wasting time. Giddyup Mr. I Think I Know It All But Know Nothing, times a wasting!!
Oh yeah?

Well, my dad can beat up your dad.

My dog's better than your dog.

I just have one question re your incredibly dumb post: What exactly is "management dummy"? Are you by any chance in the mannequin business?

Giddyup?

Little red wagon?

You funny man
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#2516 Jan 23, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>I don't proclaim to be anyone's moral compass. If the law says it's legal, then don't complain if you decide not to pursue what is available to you.
That logic would mean that when the law allowed slavery, we shouldn't criticize those who elected to enjoy the financial benefits if owning their fellow human beings.

After all it was legal to keep others in chains, take their labor, occasionally rape their wives and daughters, and maybe kill off the troublemakers.

Legal isn't the same as moral.

There was a time when it was even more legal for corporations to collude and conspire to create monopolies, prevent competition, force Americans to live at the complete mercy of the "Trusts", and drive anyone not part of the "club" into financial ruin.

Hey it was legal, so what if millions lives in abject poverty so that Standard Oil and its monopolistic cohorts could make billions.

Legal isn't the same as fair.

There was a time when 50,000 Americans were sent to die in a faraway war, which the government already knew was unwinable, while those who make billions for the war enjoyed their profits and the sons of the wealthy and powerful stayed safely far from danger.

Legal isn't the same as right.

Hey, I'm no moral leader, I take advantage of the corrupt system whenever I can, as does almost everyone else. But, that doesn't mean we should not criticize it's faults.

Real Americans seek to improve their country by criticizing it's policies when they are wrong.

That's not complaining, that's caring.
BS IS Called

Irving, TX

#2517 Jan 23, 2013
Legal, isn't the same as moral, except with regards to Obamacare.
Zoltar

Clarkesville, GA

#2518 Jan 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
That logic would mean that when the law allowed slavery, we shouldn't criticize those who elected to enjoy the financial benefits if owning their fellow human beings.
After all it was legal to keep others in chains, take their labor, occasionally rape their wives and daughters, and maybe kill off the troublemakers.
Legal isn't the same as moral.
There was a time when it was even more legal for corporations to collude and conspire to create monopolies, prevent competition, force Americans to live at the complete mercy of the "Trusts", and drive anyone not part of the "club" into financial ruin.
Hey it was legal, so what if millions lives in abject poverty so that Standard Oil and its monopolistic cohorts could make billions.
Legal isn't the same as fair.
There was a time when 50,000 Americans were sent to die in a faraway war, which the government already knew was unwinable, while those who make billions for the war enjoyed their profits and the sons of the wealthy and powerful stayed safely far from danger.
Legal isn't the same as right.
Hey, I'm no moral leader, I take advantage of the corrupt system whenever I can, as does almost everyone else. But, that doesn't mean we should not criticize it's faults.
Real Americans seek to improve their country by criticizing it's policies when they are wrong.
That's not complaining, that's caring.
Great post.....especially the last two sentences, which transcend our differing political ideologies.
Informed Opinion

United States

#2519 Jan 23, 2013
BS IS Called wrote:
Legal, isn't the same as moral, except with regards to Obamacare.
Agreed.

Sometimes we get it right - we pass a law that is moral and right.

Thank God those parasites and deadbeats who refused to pay for their medical insurance,
and instead made us responsible grown ups pay for their medical and hospital care, may have to pay their own way and carry their own water from now on.

Isn't it nice when we don't have to subsidize lazy deadbeats who won't buy insurance and instead spend their money on beer, cigarettes, fatty foods, and used porn videos.

Just wish we didn't have to bribe the politicians and pharmaceutical companies to get it passed.

Ah well, never let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#2520 Jan 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed.

Sometimes we get it right - we pass a law that is moral and right.

Thank God those parasites and deadbeats who refused to pay for their medical insurance,
and instead made us responsible grown ups pay for their medical and hospital care, may have to pay their own way and carry their own water from now on.

Isn't it nice when we don't have to subsidize lazy deadbeats who won't buy insurance and instead spend their money on beer, cigarettes, fatty foods, and used porn videos.

Just wish we didn't have to bribe the politicians and pharmaceutical companies to get it passed.

Ah well, never let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.
I forgot to ask.

What is it with the Cowboys ?

When will we return to the times of great class like: Landry, Staubach, Hayes, Bates, and Walt Garrison.

Gotta love Staubach's work ethic:

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication."

Roger Staubach
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#2521 Jan 23, 2013
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>Great post.....especially the last two sentences, which transcend our differing political ideologies.
Thanks, but I'm still jealous of your undisputed status as the the "All Time Best Humorous Posts" awards you have earned on TOPIX. My buddies at breakfast and I still laugh over the planet where your sister/mother/ whatever, resides.

The only recent competition was a post in Deadspin's comments section that read;

"The Alabama offensive line is embarrassed to confess that despite it's previous statements, Notre Dames line backer Manti Te'o was imaginary.
informed opinion

Sylacauga, AL

#2522 Jan 23, 2013
and after I meet with my rich clients on the beach for lunch I will figure out why the Falcons bite the big one.
informed opinion

Sylacauga, AL

#2523 Jan 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
Sometimes we get it right - we pass a law that is moral and right.
Thank God those parasites and deadbeats who refused to pay for their medical insurance,
and instead made us responsible grown ups pay for their medical and hospital care, may have to pay their own way and carry their own water from now on.
Isn't it nice when we don't have to subsidize lazy deadbeats who won't buy insurance and instead spend their money on beer, cigarettes, fatty foods, and used porn videos.
Just wish we didn't have to bribe the politicians and pharmaceutical companies to get it passed.
Ah well, never let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.
Did I tell you Angel Adams of Tampa is my hero? She's making being a welfare queen a desired position!
BS IS Called

Irving, TX

#2524 Jan 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
Sometimes we get it right - we pass a law that is moral and right.
Thank God those parasites and deadbeats who refused to pay for their medical insurance,
and instead made us responsible grown ups pay for their medical and hospital care, may have to pay their own way and carry their own water from now on.
Isn't it nice when we don't have to subsidize lazy deadbeats who won't buy insurance and instead spend their money on beer, cigarettes, fatty foods, and used porn videos.
Just wish we didn't have to bribe the politicians and pharmaceutical companies to get it passed.
Ah well, never let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.
The enemy of "good" is "better".

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2525 Jan 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
That logic would mean that when the law allowed slavery, we shouldn't criticize those who elected to enjoy the financial benefits if owning their fellow human beings.
After all it was legal to keep others in chains, take their labor, occasionally rape their wives and daughters, and maybe kill off the troublemakers.
Legal isn't the same as moral.
There was a time when it was even more legal for corporations to collude and conspire to create monopolies, prevent competition, force Americans to live at the complete mercy of the "Trusts", and drive anyone not part of the "club" into financial ruin.
Hey it was legal, so what if millions lives in abject poverty so that Standard Oil and its monopolistic cohorts could make billions.
Legal isn't the same as fair.
There was a time when 50,000 Americans were sent to die in a faraway war, which the government already knew was unwinable, while those who make billions for the war enjoyed their profits and the sons of the wealthy and powerful stayed safely far from danger.
Legal isn't the same as right.
Hey, I'm no moral leader, I take advantage of the corrupt system whenever I can, as does almost everyone else. But, that doesn't mean we should not criticize it's faults.
Real Americans seek to improve their country by criticizing it's policies when they are wrong.
That's not complaining, that's caring.
Does it make sense to you that YOU are taking advantage of a system that you don't agree with? That's just DO as I SAY and NOT as I DO rhetoric. Your critizing and then taking advantage is disingenuous at best. If you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk. Lead by example. Personally, I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't CARE. I'm just not accustomed to anyone who complains as you do, points fingers and then does the same thing that you are critizing others for. LIberals would call conservatives HYPOCRITES for saying such.
So, I'll tell you now....I CARE. Do you? Do you CARE enough to stop taking advantage of a system you don't agree with? Show how much YOU care. Walk the walk. You are NOT helping by taking advantage when ALL the others can't. Prove how much YOU care.
not so smart after all

Winter Haven, FL

#2526 Jan 23, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
BS on your BS.
"I pay gains tax when I sell stock and real estate."
You wouldn't under the FairTax.
"I am far from the upper percentage, adding in my wages earned I pay a lot more than Romney as a percentage of income!!"
You also apparently have a different type of income than Romney, that is taxed different than Romney. What's so difficult to understand about that? DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCOME ARE TAXED DIFFERENTLY! IT'S THE LAW! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
"You still won't answer the question "WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST THE UPPER PERCENTAGE OF WAGE EARNERS PAYING THE SAME AS MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS"
I will answer your questions when you answer mine.... Learning the answers to my questions would educate somewhat, unless you don't want to learn...
But to answer your question: we ALL pay the same tax rates. We all use the same forms and tax tables. Some of us have different types of income.
HOW MANY times have I said the problem is NOT with the tax rates??? Itís with the super friendly way the rich and corporations pay off legislators to reduce the effective tax rate that they pay. The middle class doesnít elect our legislators anymore, the Supreme Court has made it possible for get a monkey elected in this country with enough money. Those with enough money now have the green light to use it to buy elections allowing them to continue the accumulation of wealth and further depress the American Middle Class. Remember them, the American Middle Class used to be the fuel for the economic engine that is the United States. Now the fuel for the upper percentage of wage earners and large corporations is OFFSHORE.
Do you really believe that American grown corporations with the help of American people and the American government have enjoyed huge prosperity NOW owe this country NOTHING. That is all about the profits and damn any damage to the county that spawned them in the quest for profits???
AGAIN, what do you have against the MIDDLE CLASS????

You need to roll over in bed and WAKE UP!

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