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#22546 Aug 19, 2013
How wrote:
Whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower….— Barack Obama
And isn't that the Left in a nutshell? They refuse to acknowledge that despite our weaknesses and mistakes, this country overall has been a light to the world - who is always there when a disaster strikes, who tries to help democracies develop. Have we stumbled mightily on occasion - yes, but on balance this country has been a force for good. But the Left only ever sees our mistakes and typically maintains the attitude reflected in Madeline Albright's address to a bunch of college students.

" And there is no doubt in my mind that however one states it, at this
stage the United States is kind of the organizing principal of the
international system. And we very much don't want to be out there by
ourselves as the organizer and as the only superpower."
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22547 Aug 19, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...If you actually read the appeals and what witness's testified to as the case went before the court there were very good reasons why the Communist must register. Such as the physical overthrow of the U.S. Government.
January 02, 2013 1:42 PM
Stockpiling Arms To Overthrow the Government
By Ed Kilgore
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-an...

Kudos to National Review’s Kevin Williamson for coming right out and articulating the “conservative”(for once the quote marks are truly necessarily) perspective that is usually left just beneath the surface of the GOP’s and the gun lobby’s position on regulation of firearms:

The purpose of having citizens armed with paramilitary weapons is to allow them to engage in paramilitary actions. The Second Amendment is not about Bambi and burglars — whatever a well-regulated militia is, it is not a hunting party or a sport-clays club. It is remarkable to me that any educated person — let alone a Harvard Law graduate — believes that the second item on the Bill of Rights is a constitutional guarantee of enjoying a recreational activity….

There is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment for military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny.

If this isn’t clear enough, let me explain: Williamson is arguing that the core purpose of the Second Amendment is to enable Americans to stockpile weapons in case they decide it’s prudent to undertake the violent overthrow of the United States government. Sure, he puts it in term of an abstract and hypothetical “tyranny.” But we’re still talking about a very practical right of revolution: the right to shoot and kill police officers and members of the United States military if the gun-bearer chooses to believe they are enforcing “tyrannical” policies. This is particularly disconcerting at a time when a vast number of right-wing gabbers routinely refer to things like the Affordable Care Act of 2010 as examples of liberty-destroying state tyranny and as blatant violations of the U.S. Constitution imposed by anti-American conspirators.

Since: Nov 12

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#22548 Aug 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Oooooooh,
"infiltrate many layers of our society"
Oooooooh,
"influence public opinion"
Subversives are all around us, we all KNOW who they are.
Yep,
if your message is so weak,
you've got to control the playing field.
Oh, how easy it is to sit back and ridicule those who feared the threat that the Soviet Union posed. I was too little to remember, but my mother has told me about how when we were stationed in Alabama during the Cuba Missile crisis and the provisions the families on base were to take in case of attack. That was probably the closest the world ever came to nuclear war - but you just sit there all smug and self righteousness in your dismissal of the very real threat we faced and the danger that Soviet espionage presented.
OMTE

Ashburn, GA

#22549 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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I realize that many of the posts on here (by numerous posters) are more insult laden than they are substantive, but posts like this only hurt your argument. I absolutely do not agree with gay marriage, it is beyond ridiculous to start redefining marriage in this country. But I also have gay friends and gay family members and most of them are Christian. My personal belief is that they should live a celibate lifestyle, which is easy for me to say. But even if they don't, I certainly do not believe they are damned.
I think the very next page from your original post contains a post by you that has some beautifully written statements about Jesus' love for us and his sacrifice for us all. It is hard to reconcile posts like that one with the one I am referencing here. You have the right to post anything you want, in any way you want, but you are only helping those you oppose with vitriol like that above.
I will be nice to you, Ag, because I like you. I feel as if you are one of the smartest persons on this forum. I generally dislike gays as a whole, but there are a few, that I pray for. I pray for them, because we were friends as children, and that's how I remember them. For anyone to condone their behavior, as adults,(IMO)are hurting them more, than the post of mine that you referred to. I don't want NO ONE to go to hell, I wish that we all believed in Jesus and would repent daily. The sad part is, most don't anymore. Atheism is expanding rapidly, because it gives them the idea, that there are no consequences for their and our behavior. When, You know and I know, that is not the case. We are living in end times, and the time for playing patty cake with gays, are over. If you love your gay friends and/or family, tell them these things. Maybe you can do it in a more constructive manner, than I.
I hate no one, I am angry at the amount of people that has turned away from Jesus, and wish to destroy this country. It angers me, when people like IO and others, perverse Jesus' teachings, and do their best to lead others to HELL. I will not play nice with these people, and I will not fade quietly into the darkness. If that is your chosen route, so be it. It is not my strategy to do so, as well. I am sorry, for the things I have said to you in anger, in previous posts. I know now, that you are a believer of Christ. May God bless you.
How

Dahlonega, GA

#22550 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
And isn't that the Left in a nutshell? They refuse to acknowledge that despite our weaknesses and mistakes, this country overall has been a light to the world - who is always there when a disaster strikes, who tries to help democracies develop. Have we stumbled mightily on occasion - yes, but on balance this country has been a force for good. But the Left only ever sees our mistakes and typically maintains the attitude reflected in Madeline Albright's address to a bunch of college students.
" And there is no doubt in my mind that however one states it, at this
stage the United States is kind of the organizing principal of the
international system. And we very much don't want to be out there by
ourselves as the organizer and as the only superpower."

You are correct in your assessment of the appeasers in America who would sell America short and become a floormat for the world.

The beacon of liberty that America projects has changed many parts of the world. China, although still communists, takes up capitalism and becomes a force in the world. Russia, takes up the call of liberty, and tears down the Berlin wall, forms a new government, and allows other under their domain to form their governments also.
The number of other countries running from socialists/communist style governments to open elections and capitalism is astounding.

Sadly, with Obama in office, not only America's prestige but also poor diplomacy and our economic stability has taken a huge hit. In addition to Obama and congress infringing upon Americas freedoms with the IRS scandal, NSA scandal, Immigration scandal, and many other failures of the Obama administration, the American people remain ever hopeful that freedom in America will remain intact.

But it will not remain intact with the forces that are pushing us into the type of government we see today in Washington. Where Obama makes up his own laws, where Obama decides which laws to enforce and which to ignore, where Obama is making every effort to destroy the stability of the financial worth of America with excessive years of trillion dollar debts, and which no foreseeable generation can pay off.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22551 Aug 19, 2013
When wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Dumb azz fibroids, I love being on the right and in the right. No news with this post.
Will join the movement to purge and expunge.
Too many like u and pervert.
Have a nice day till we come for you.
Oooooh,
Name calling, and threats of violence.
How typical and predictable.

Please keep posting.
guest

Warrenton, VA

#22552 Aug 19, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Now see ... There you go ... Starting sensible ... Then jumping off the rationality cliff into WackoLand.
"Your denying the necessity of that relationship does not negate its existence."
Silliness:
I don't deny it at all. I agree with it. Whatever form of economy is selected must be enforced by the political structure -(cops, guns, and jails). The fact that all economic systems require enforcement means the form of political system itself is meaningless as to the economic system selected.
"your definition is skewed by your contempt for American style capitalism and your desire to install a more socialist state."
Again silliness, unlike Right Wing Wackos, I support American Capitalism - which is Capitalism regulated to a substantial degree to prevent its natural morphing into monopolistic economic tyranny. It's Right Wing Wackos who want to turn Unregulated Capitalism loose to destroy America's Mixed Economy that has worked well since the Great Depression 's laws enacted to control Capitalism's excesses.
"When you speak of a "reasonable distribution of wealth" - you show your true colors - that can only be accomplished through confiscation and redistribution of "wealth". "
Now you've driven over the cliff into Right Wing Wacko Land.
Any and all respected economists advise that to maintain a democracy, the distribution of wealth must be maintained within reasonable limits. When the wealth is distributed extraordinarily unequally, the elite oligarchies that are formed control the government, regardless of the technical form the government might take.
We recognized that simple fact for 100 years in America, which is why we insisted on a Progressive Income and Inheritance Taxes, and a "safety net" for the poor, handicapped, elderly and children.
It's the Right Wing Wackos that want to "redistribute" the wealth upward and push tax breaks for the rich, and inheritances taxes with $5,000,000.00 exclusions. They'll destroy democracy completely if allowed to continue to impoverish the many to make the few überrich.
As to the Russians - your opinion is self-contradictory and internally inconsistent. If communism prevents the "masses" from controlling the government then the allegedly "bread lines" were of no consequence - since they were powerless to object. Seems to me we also experienced "bread lines" in America - and we will again - if Right Winger can impoverish enough Americans.
On the other hand.. My analysis is consistent. The changeover from communism to capitalism simply changed the manner in which the elite oligarchy exercised power over the many, from one which prevented the powerful from accumulating tremendous wealth, to one which actually encouraged the accumulation of tremendous wealth by a few. What a surprise that the politically connected became the new billionaires.
I was so encouraged when you began reasonably - but so disappointed when you swerved into Right Wing WackoLand and inaccurate personal observations about me.
For what it's worth - I am a very happy capitalist (American Style)- but unlike Right Wingers - I have no desire to destroy America to make myself even wealthier.
Very good post. A common tool of the RWW is to take an idea or suggestion from the opposite side and to exaggerate it beyond recognition. I see it time and time again. Also reading some of the homophobic rants this morning I am convinced that there is nothing whatsoever to gain from conversing on the subject with the rabid stance taken by some of these wackos from the idea that gays should be in hell to gays should be celibate etc. It's just comforting to know that their numbers are rapidly diminishing. They seem to live in a one dimensional world. It's just one reason that I can't trust hard core fundamentalist christians like theses on here.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22553 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Oh, how easy it is to sit back and ridicule those who feared the threat that the Soviet Union posed. I was too little to remember, but my mother has told me about how when we were stationed in Alabama during the Cuba Missile crisis and the provisions the families on base were to take in case of attack. That was probably the closest the world ever came to nuclear war - but you just sit there all smug and self righteousness in your dismissal of the very real threat we faced and the danger that Soviet espionage presented.
The Cuban Missile Crisis was in the early 60's, the Red Scare was in the late 40's to mid 50's. What does one have to do with the other, the reaction to the Red Scare is not that dissimilar than the reaction by many to the threat of terrorism.

You specifically used the term infiltrate to conjure an image of subversion, which, while appropriate for the spy in government positions, it is not appropriate for competition in the social marketplace of ideas. Challenges to the existing social order must be controlled, and a little hyperbole will always bring about the correct Pavlovian response from the base.
OMTE

Ashburn, GA

#22555 Aug 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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The Cuban Missile Crisis was in the early 60's, the Red Scare was in the late 40's to mid 50's. What does one have to do with the other, the reaction to the Red Scare is not that dissimilar than the reaction by many to the threat of terrorism.
You specifically used the term infiltrate to conjure an image of subversion, which, while appropriate for the spy in government positions, it is not appropriate for competition in the social marketplace of ideas. Challenges to the existing social order must be controlled, and a little hyperbole will always bring about the correct Pavlovian response from the base.
You're total lack of fear, and disregard of history, as IO would put it. Makes you toooo stupid to be aware of, the clear and present danger, that this country is obviously in. Ya dumb queer muslim. ;)

Since: Nov 12

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#22556 Aug 19, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>I will be nice to you, Ag, because I like you. I feel as if you are one of the smartest persons on this forum. I generally dislike gays as a whole, but there are a few, that I pray for. I pray for them, because we were friends as children, and that's how I remember them. For anyone to condone their behavior, as adults,(IMO)are hurting them more, than the post of mine that you referred to. I don't want NO ONE to go to hell, I wish that we all believed in Jesus and would repent daily. The sad part is, most don't anymore. Atheism is expanding rapidly, because it gives them the idea, that there are no consequences for their and our behavior. When, You know and I know, that is not the case. We are living in end times, and the time for playing patty cake with gays, are over. If you love your gay friends and/or family, tell them these things. Maybe you can do it in a more constructive manner, than I.
I hate no one, I am angry at the amount of people that has turned away from Jesus, and wish to destroy this country. It angers me, when people like IO and others, perverse Jesus' teachings, and do their best to lead others to HELL. I will not play nice with these people, and I will not fade quietly into the darkness. If that is your chosen route, so be it. It is not my strategy to do so, as well. I am sorry, for the things I have said to you in anger, in previous posts. I know now, that you are a believer of Christ. May God bless you.
I believe I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your personal comments. Your post requires more than a quick response, so I want to think about it. I too worry greatly about the state of this country and the decline of our culture, my children are not that much older than I believe yours are and it grieves me to think of what is being left to them to deal with. God Bless.

Since: Nov 12

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#22557 Aug 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
The Cuban Missile Crisis was in the early 60's, the Red Scare was in the late 40's to mid 50's. What does one have to do with the other, the reaction to the Red Scare is not that dissimilar than the reaction by many to the threat of terrorism.
You specifically used the term infiltrate to conjure an image of subversion, which, while appropriate for the spy in government positions, it is not appropriate for competition in the social marketplace of ideas. Challenges to the existing social order must be controlled, and a little hyperbole will always bring about the correct Pavlovian response from the base.
Are you seriously asking what the "Red Scare" and the Cuban Missile Crisis have to do each other? There truly is no getting through that thick wall you have erected between you, history and common sense.

And you really need to look up the definition of subversion, here is what wikipedia says about subversion:
"Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Subversion (Latin subvertere: overthrow) refers to a process by which the VALUES AND PRINCIPLES of a system in place, are contradicted or reversed *. More specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and,“the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor.” Subversion is used as a tool to achieve political goals because it generally carries less risk, cost, and difficulty as opposed to open belligerency. Furthermore, it is a relatively cheap form of warfare that does not require large amounts of training."

(And please look up the definition of Pavlovian while you're at it.)
smoke em if you got em

Grayson, GA

#22558 Aug 19, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>You're total lack of fear, and disregard of history, as IO would put it. Makes you toooo stupid to be aware of, the clear and present danger, that this country is obviously in. Ya dumb queer muslim. ;)
hey dude

got some stuff I can get?
OMTE

Ashburn, GA

#22559 Aug 19, 2013
smoke em if you got em wrote:
<quoted text>
hey dude
got some stuff I can get?
No. Them crackas won't let me sell it no more. Ya know? ;)
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22560 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
And isn't that the Left in a nutshell? They refuse to acknowledge that despite our weaknesses and mistakes, this country overall has been a light to the world - who is always there when a disaster strikes, who tries to help democracies develop. Have we stumbled mightily on occasion - yes, but on balance this country has been a force for good. But the Left only ever sees our mistakes and typically maintains the attitude reflected in Madeline Albright's address to a bunch of college students.
Strawman Alert.
Strawman Alert.

Now will the Bill from Dville troll pipe up and admonish you, I doubt it.

Since: Nov 12

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#22561 Aug 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Strawman Alert.
Strawman Alert.
Now will the Bill from Dville troll pipe up and admonish you, I doubt it.
Straw man - a type of argument based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position

"How" quoted Obama: "WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, we remain a dominant superpower..." (emphasis mine)

I quoted Albright "we very much DON'T WANT TO BE out there by
ourselves as the organizer and as THE ONLY SUPERPOWER." (emphasis mine)

Where is the mischaracterization?
OMTE

Ashburn, GA

#22562 Aug 19, 2013
Dang, them muslims are killing the police now, in Egypt.
http://www.euronews.com/2013/08/19/islamists-...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22563 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
And your point?
Well, the point that you appear to have missed is contained in the portion that you clipped.

Here it is again...

"If this isn’t clear enough, let me explain: Williamson is arguing that the core purpose of the Second Amendment is to enable Americans to stockpile weapons in case they decide it’s prudent to undertake the violent overthrow of the United States government. Sure, he puts it in term of an abstract and hypothetical “tyranny.” But we’re still talking about a very practical right of revolution: the right to shoot and kill police officers and members of the United States military if the gun-bearer chooses to believe they are enforcing “tyrannical” policies."
..........
So, it appears that it really depends on WHO wants to overthrow the US Government that determines how much fear we should have, and how much we should curtail their civil liberties.

No surprises here.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22564 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Straw man - a type of argument based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position

Where is the mischaracterization?
Well, it's right there in my post, here it is again since you missed it the first time:

"And isn't that the Left in a nutshell? They refuse to acknowledge that despite our weaknesses and mistakes, this country overall has been a light to the world... "

You're making a broad generalize that is a mischaracterization.

This is very similar to an earlier statement to the effect that the Left sees pregnancy as a disease.

Another Strawman statement, now why didn't that Troll from Dville catch that.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#22565 Aug 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
And you really need to look up the definition of subversion, here is what wikipedia says about subversion:

"Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Subversion (Latin subvertere: overthrow) refers to a process by which the VALUES AND PRINCIPLES of a system in place, are contradicted or reversed *. More specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and,“the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor.” Subversion is used as a tool to achieve political goals because it generally carries less risk, cost, and difficulty as opposed to open belligerency. Furthermore, it is a relatively cheap form of warfare that does not require large amounts of training."
(And please look up the definition of Pavlovian while you're at it.)
Subversion, just another word that is defined by the user, a purely subjective term. Those who fear change, then change becomes a subversion. Those who fear challenges to the established order, then challenges becomes a subversion. Those who seek control of the discussion, dissent becomes a subversion.

People see through you,
please keep posting.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#22566 Aug 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, it's right there in my post, here it is again since you missed it the first time:
"And isn't that the Left in a nutshell? They refuse to acknowledge that despite our weaknesses and mistakes, this country overall has been a light to the world... "
You're making a broad generalize that is a mischaracterization.
This is very similar to an earlier statement to the effect that the Left sees pregnancy as a disease.
Another Strawman statement, now why didn't that Troll from Dville catch that.
I am so glad you could correct me on that. I am relieved that the Left DOES realize that the United States "has been a light to the world...".

I am equally pleased to know that the Left as a whole does not look on pregnancy as a disease, but somebody might want to tell Obama. After all, if one of his daughters makes "a mistake" he doesn't want her "punished with a baby."

"...the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

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