Part 12 Guy Heinze Jr.
missb

Sheffield, UK

#1155 Apr 8, 2014
They did not want a blood spatter expert or crime scene expert? Are these not mandatory in an investigation of this magnitude?
Caring

Leesburg, GA

#1156 Apr 8, 2014
wusatdatrial wrote:
To answer missb, so police wore tyvek suits and no bootys, some wore bootys and no tyvek suits. Some wore no protective clothing at all.
Another mistake was that they did not change cloves when going from room to room. Mr. Know tesitfied that you should change gloves going from body to body, so as to not contaminated the next mini-crime scene. There was no evidence that this protocol was followed. In addition, Knox testified that after searching for survivors, no body should be moved until the area around it was processed. In this case, all the bodies were removed and then the scene was processed.
Why? For the same reason they did not want a blood spatter expert, a crime scene expert, GBI, FBI, Scotland yard to help. They had their man! No need to look further.
I must admit I chuckled at your "Scotland yard' little dig since Scotland Yard doesn't ever help us concerning our state cases that happened over here in the United States. And many cases are brought to trial where convictions were the result when the FBI wasn't connected to the case in any manner.

They had GBI forensic blood experts. Jurors really aren't that dumb. They can differentiate between smear patterns and patterns that cause spots or spatters as it is called and was called that by Darris in the trial. Lt. Darris, who has been a police officer for over 20 years, certainly knows the difference when he sees it. Even a novice juror can see for themselves the difference in the two patterns that were left on the outer khakis and the gray reversible gym wear. Which were totally different.

Isn't it hilarious that GHJ's attorney made such a big deal about traipsing through the crime scene with a POSSIBILTY of getting blood on the soles of their shoes yet Guy Heinz Jr. said he did just that.... yet had no blood on the soles of the shoes he was wearing at 8am. So the defense attorney was wanting his cake and eat it too. There was no evidence entered by the defense either proving the scene had been compromised. Talk is cheap.

So I guess traipsing through a bloody crime scene without booty covering on doesn't track the evidence from one room to the other after all. Especially when the investigators went in hours after the murders happened, and after the murderer went in at 8am, and had no blood on the soles of his shoes.

The defense attorney wanted to have it both ways and he stupidly thought the jury wouldn't remember that GHJ had no blood on the soles of his shoes, and he (lied) and said he went from room to room. Yeah right, he did, as he was murdering them that night.

After he murdered them he changed shoes and clothing(except the dumb ass kept the same underwear on) and that is why he was seen on the video footage after he said he had already left home and only having the black side out gym wear on and no khakis to be seen anywhere.
Caring

Leesburg, GA

#1157 Apr 8, 2014
QUOTE who="wusatdatrial"]

I didn't have to be in the courtroom. One of my friends was there everyday reporting on the trial. I was in constant contact with them on a daily basis. Plus the 12 jurors WERE THERE everyday and heard all the evidence from the state and defense.

Actually your 'confirmation bias' has nothing to support it. I find your thoughts about this case, and what you heard in the courtroom just another slanted view of the evidence. A point of view the 12 jurors did not agree with btw.

Are you perhaps the strange juror that was on the jury that told his wife he just couldn't convict GHJ even though he hadn't even heard all the testimony, and kept running his mouth even after being reprimanded and who constantly kept breaking his sworn oath? Talking about closed minded like a steel tramp, and to this day I don't understand why it took the Judge so long to toss this stealth juror out on his ear. Any other case and that jury would have been long gone. I blame the damn Judge for the plea deal. If he had just removed this ignorant juror when he first broke his oath, GHJ would be on death row today where he belongs.

And btw, when I didn't hear back from you, I did look it up, and no where can I find that being confirmed. I even contacted my friend who was there in the courtroom. I spent hours trying to confirm what you have said. Nada

Throwing away the clothing in the bathroom with blood droplets on them does not show confirmation bias. If they were so convinced at the time that GHJ was THE ONE (which they weren't) they would have taken the clothes because there was a good possibility that they would belong to him since he lived there, and that would be more evidence they would have against him. It would make more

The police were fully AWAKE when the fans were running. It is a known fact that people in their own homes tune out noises during the night. Especially these people in this trailer where so many lived, and came and went at all hours of the night. And what noise does bludgeoning someone to death make? Nothing but a dull thud, and one horrific blow to the skull can and has rendered someone helpless/dead or dying after the first strike. The pillows, pallets, mattresses they slept on also would absorb the dull thud sounds.

Druggies always need more. The more the better. I have read plenty of times about those on cocaine or other illegal drugs are also downing prescription drugs too. Since I have never done any kind of drug in my life, I guess it elevates the high. I do know I have read many times that those cracked out on cocaine can have super human strength. I have seen it take 5-6 huge cops to subdue one man when I watch "Cops."

Nope, I don't agree. Imo, he killed Joe West first. Cowards like GHJ always take out the biggest threat first and Joe never knew what hit him. The others were no match for him that is a proven fact.

Nah, he is not super anything. He just preyed on those who were sound asleep when he attacked them all when they were totally unaware of their impending doom. Just like Woodfukf was able to go room to room in the middle of the night as they lay sleeping, killing all 9 of his family members, He like GHJ used a bludgeoning weapon. He did not use the sharp end of the axe, he used the other end to beat their brains out.

Mr Knox was a hired gun for the defense. They are there to say what favors the defense. Nothing he says was proven. It was an opinion just like you, and I have much different opinions about the same case. The jurors didn't buy what Mr. Knox was trying to sell them and neither do I.

There is no way to rationalize away all the countless lies this one man told nor is there an explanation that would explain the khaki's having smears and the gym wear having spots. And on the gym shorts there was other victims' blood that is not on his outer khaki shorts.

One thing remains true and is unbiased and physics doesn't lie.
Caring

Leesburg, GA

#1158 Apr 8, 2014
wasatdatrial..........

Of course he could creep anywhere in that house that he wanted to and go undetected. This wasn't the first time he had come home in the middle of the night, and crept by where his father, and Tolar Jr. slept. He knew the layout of that home better than anyone. He knew where all the obstacles were, where the furniture was, and where the trash was piled up in the home, and he sure knew exactly where everyone slept.

Drug dealers don't go in a home and bludgeon people. Show me one case where they have done such a thing and used this way to murder. They always carry large caliber weapons, and they will go in, and shoot everyone in the head execution style..then walk out or they will never set foot inside the home, and will simply set fire to the home during the night from the outside. And a falling down trailer over 40+ years old would have gone up like a tinder box, and burned to the ground in less than 6 minutes. I know, I use to sell manufactured homes, along regular site built homes, when I had my real estate business..

And the drugs he took were the ones to make someone high. He didn't take any other type of prescription medication. Just the narcotics.

And this wasn't all about taking the drugs from the home. He wanted to go out and get 'geeked up' and he had no ride. But right there at his own home sat a mighty fine spiffy looking car that belonged to Rusty Tolar Jr. who babied his car, and kept it looking sporty and clean at all times.

The only problem is Rusty Jr would drop dead before he let anyone else drive his vehicle. No one else ever drove it......never. Even RTJs friends or father werent allowed to drive it. The only way for Guy to get the car is to murder the young man who would refuse to let him borrow it if he had had a choice. GHJ rendered RTJ unable to make that choice. Rusty was dead, and voiceless when GHJ walked out of that home with MTs drugs, and Michael's cell phone with the blood on it of Joe West and got into the car of the victim he also murdered in order to drive it.

They were all dead or so he thought and his geeking night began.
talleigh

Nottingham, UK

#1159 Apr 8, 2014
Think the criminological illiterate have way too much time on there hands. Obsesed much
Caring

Leesburg, GA

#1160 Apr 8, 2014
talleigh wrote:
Think the criminological illiterate have way too much time on there hands. Obsesed much
Really? Seriously? LOL!

From reading this forum I do see those that are quite illiterate when it comes to criminal cases but they are the ones defending GHJ and making up a gazillion excuses out of thin air.

And who would that be? The ones that comes here once or twice a day to write posts that takes a few short minutes to write?

Are you saying that wasatdatrial is obsessed and btw, what are you doing here? I don't think anyone has demanded that you keep coming back to this forum.

But I admit some are obsessed about seeing that justice is received for victims that deserved no less.

If that is an obsession, then so be it.

It sure beats the hell out of carrying the banner for a convicted murderer who has been sentenced for murdering seven of his family members, and trying his best to murder a defenseless three year old little boy.
missb

Sheffield, UK

#1161 Apr 9, 2014
Can someone please tell me (as I'm not as well informed) did they find the clothes GHJ Changed out of? As there was only blood on his shorts?
Thanks.
wusatdatrial

Carrollton, GA

#1162 Apr 9, 2014
Missb- You asked a very good question. The answer is no they did not find any clothes.

In addition, they stripped him down and photographed him and there were no injuries anywhere on his body consistent with someone who had just bludgeoned 8 people to death. Other than a couple of old work injuries his hands, arms, etc. were pristine.

In addition, he is depicted on the store video at 5:30ish in the morning wearing what appears to be the same shirt and gym shorts (not the outer khakis) that supposedly had blood on them, that he was wearing at the scene. The clerk testified that he was acting normal and she did not see any blood. Neither did the guy from Waffle house see any blood on him. Mr. Knox said that he should have blood spatter,(not smears or transfers) all over his clothes.

Maybe of equal importance, if he did all of this just to steal the car, why was there zero blood found in that car. The police sprayed luminol all over that car, and never detected a single drop.

And while others have questions Mr. Knox's motives, his testimony on blood was unrebutted. The state never called a blood spatter expert to the stand. No one who went to the scene from glynn county was even qualified as such, and they never called in a GBI crime scene specialist.(And despite what others may say, blood spatter analysis and crime scene reconstruction is a highly skilled and highly evolved speciality that the average police officer is not qualified to testify about.)
Thus, the only qualified evidence on crime scene blood analysis and spatter came from Mr. Knox.(Of course, I am not talking about the Crime lab folks who analyzed DNA, but crime scene experts who analyzed blood spatter patterns.)

I hope that answers your question.
Local Neighbor

Washington, DC

#1163 Apr 9, 2014
People, he did it. He was convicted. He is in prison. Case closed. Give it a rest already.
missb

Sheffield, UK

#1164 Apr 9, 2014
Wusatdatrial, yes thank you it does.

I'm aware he's been convicted but to me there are a few things that don't add up. This is just my opinion, and I'm aware that there are many.
Guilty

United States

#1165 Apr 10, 2014
Hahahahaha!

I was reading the Free Guy's Heiney!!!1!!!! facebook page. The idiots really believe that collecting signatures on a petition will over turn verdicts.
Local Neighbor

Washington, DC

#1166 Apr 10, 2014
Guilty wrote:
Hahahahaha!
I was reading the Free Guy's Heiney!!!1!!!! facebook page. The idiots really believe that collecting signatures on a petition will over turn verdicts.
Thanks a lot "Guilty". I had to stop work and look it up on FB. Unreal! The best post "I am gone email all of the famous people I know to get involved and make this case bigger"....

Again, to all of those who think he is sweet and innocent, can he come live with you and your families when y'all spring him out of the big house?
Guilty

United States

#1167 Apr 11, 2014
Local Neighbor wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks a lot "Guilty". I had to stop work and look it up on FB. Unreal! The best post "I am gone email all of the famous people I know to get involved and make this case bigger"....
Again, to all of those who think he is sweet and innocent, can he come live with you and your families when y'all spring him out of the big house?
.
My favorite is by the head heiney herself: " As the petition is what will ultimately be presented to the relevant people and it will house all of our names on to show that were right behind guy and that were prepared to fight for his innocence."
Caring

Albany, GA

#1168 Apr 11, 2014
wusatdatrial wrote:
Missb- You asked a very good question. The answer is no they did not find any clothes.
In addition, they stripped him down and photographed him and there were no injuries anywhere on his body consistent with someone who had just bludgeoned 8 people to death. Other than a couple of old work injuries his hands, arms, etc. were pristine.
In addition, he is depicted on the store video at 5:30ish in the morning wearing what appears to be the same shirt and gym shorts (not the outer khakis) that supposedly had blood on them, that he was wearing at the scene. The clerk testified that he was acting normal and she did not see any blood. Neither did the guy from Waffle house see any blood on him. Mr. Knox said that he should have blood spatter,(not smears or transfers) all over his clothes.
Maybe of equal importance, if he did all of this just to steal the car, why was there zero blood found in that car. The police sprayed luminol all over that car, and never detected a single drop.
And while others have questions Mr. Knox's motives, his testimony on blood was unrebutted. The state never called a blood spatter expert to the stand. No one who went to the scene from glynn county was even qualified as such, and they never called in a GBI crime scene specialist.(And despite what others may say, blood spatter analysis and crime scene reconstruction is a highly skilled and highly evolved speciality that the average police officer is not qualified to testify about.)
Thus, the only qualified evidence on crime scene blood analysis and spatter came from Mr. Knox.(Of course, I am not talking about the Crime lab folks who analyzed DNA, but crime scene experts who analyzed blood spatter patterns.)
I hope that answers your question.
Good evening wasatdatrial! I enjoy debating with you.:)

Yes, the clothes he was really wearing when he committed the murders are in the same place the barrel of the shotgun is in. Most likely thrown away in the countless waters areas on St. Simons Island when he went there that night.

But thank goodness the weapon nor original clothing worn has to be found. If that were the case, then all a murderer would have to do is make sure to hide the weapon, clothing, and never be charged. So many cases are the same as this one where the weapon or clothing including shoes are never found. He had many hours to clean up and then discard whatever he wanted to before coming back at 8am to 'find' his family dead or dying.

May I ask why you expect him to have injuries? He was using a metal barrel of a shotgun and not a knife to slice these people to death. Even Rusty Jr had been battered and beaten unmercifully, so using the knife on him sure wouldn't have left injuries on GHJ. There were no OFFENSIVE wounds found on any of the victims. One had defensive wounds and that was Ms. Flanigan who had a bone broken in her hand. So no one was fighting him back for him to sustain any injuries to himself.

Why would anyone think he would go out in public and act abnormal? He was trying to set up an alibi of being out all night getting geeked up. So him acting normal is exactly what he would do. He sure wouldn't act abnormal. Even he isn't that stupid.

I think under all that faux exterior the rage/resentment was right under the surface for quite awhile and it erupted the night he finally murdered them all. That is why he is able to sit there like stone and be unemotional without exhibiting one bit of remorse.

He really didn't care about the people he murdered. Imo, he used them and manipulated them for his own personal gain through the years when he refused to get out on his own to make his own way.

No man or woman could sit there and watch all of the horrific photos of their torn apart loved ones and it not affect them, especially if they were innocent of any wrongdoings. But it didn't faze him for he had seen the carnage all before because he was the one that created the blood bath himself.
Caring

Albany, GA

#1169 Apr 11, 2014
Any seasoned DA knows how to read the jury before them. He would have refuted Knox' testimony if he felt it necessary. As is evident it was not necessary for him to waste the jury's time.

People today are aware more than ever before that a defense team can hire anyone to say anything that is in the defendant's favor. The one with the most motive to twist and lie is the defendant who has the most vested interest in the outcome. So of course the defense witnesses are going to say it is impossible for GHJ to do this. Its just not backed up with fact though. And the fact that one sole person could, and indeed has done this alone before... was brought out in testimony for all the jury to hear.

Where Knox went foolishly wrong is trying to get them to believe that it had to take 5-6 people to commit these crimes when the jury had already heard the GBI/ME's testimony of two other infamous cases where one lone suspect was able to murder 8 and 9 people all by themselves. I have no doubt there were some jurors on this case that had already read or heard about the other two cases before the ME even mentioned them.

My gosh one 16 year old was able to seriosly stab 21 people all by himself. So Knox was a terrible witness for the defense by trying to get the jury to really believe his nonsense about the amount of perps it had to take to do this crime.

Once a jury feels the witness is lying to them they will then disregard everything that the witness has to say. They become very distrustful and rightly so. One lie or a stretch of the truth trying to insult the jury's intelligence can, and does backfire on such type witness, and that is what happened when it came to Knox's outlandish testimony.

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missb

Sheffield, UK

#1170 Apr 12, 2014
Wusatdatrial - can I ask did GHJ look at the pictures of the victims and not show any emotion?
Sorry to keep asking random questions :)
talleigh

Nottingham, UK

#1171 Apr 12, 2014
missb wrote:
Wusatdatrial - can I ask did GHJ look at the pictures of the victims and not show any emotion?
Sorry to keep asking random questions :)
On the documentary we saw he did, though when images of his father were shown he couldn't look and looked upset. One jury member said that they could see how upset he was and that he felt emotion for him, another however, a young girl said she was disappointed he didn't show more interest in the pictures as he wouldn't look and wished he had paid more attention'... to the dozens of images of his family brutally murdered close up'.... Strange that, i wouldn't be able to get enough of such things myself.
Guilty

United States

#1172 Apr 12, 2014
Attorneys tell clients to look away when autopsy photos are displayed. .
Guilty

United States

#1173 Apr 12, 2014
One juror said he appeared to look upset, the other jurors said he did not look upset.
talleigh

Nottingham, UK

#1174 Apr 12, 2014
Yet evidently they allowed an additional scenario in of him being guilty but not acting alone. Evidently the jury took days and at one point was heading towards a hung jury. Evidently the press after the trial was just as baffled at the result as most others were.
Your ability to completely dismiss all facts and evidence apart from those weak assertions made by the corrupt prosecution is quite impressive.
I might take you more seriously if your twisted guilty verdict waS a result of the trial and evidence. However as evident you had the guilty verdict pinned at the start using Undoubtedly using your sixth sense spidey senses and your vast reading of crime for dummies and sensationalist true tripe.
You can mock all you want andcdemand your third world backwards justice. But let's see what the status quo is in a few years

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