Why The Public School System Is A Joke

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The Quixotic Libertarian

United States

#1 Sep 4, 2010
Having taught one year. All I could take in the government controlled public school system. I have wondered why the system is such a failure. Now I know. Below is a list of books banned for a number of stupid reasons. One thing for sure, never let it be said our public schools are not truculent when comes to common sense and books. I put this forth to see how you folks feel about the public school system. Jump in!! I myself see the system as a joke. More football less eduction. The American way.

Too Political

Uncle Tom's Cabin
All Quiet on the Western Front
A Farewell To Arms
Animal Farm

Too Much Sex

Ulysses
Jaws
The Prince of Tides

Irreligious

On the Origin of Species
Harry Potter series

Socially Offensive

The Autobiography of Benjamin FRanklin
The Scarlet Letter
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

The list goes on and on. See the org. article by Betsy Towner in the AARP Bulletin.
Chaka Con

De Leon, TX

#2 Sep 4, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
Having taught one year. All I could take in the government controlled public school system. I have wondered why the system is such a failure. Now I know. Below is a list of books banned for a number of stupid reasons. One thing for sure, never let it be said our public schools are not truculent when comes to common sense and books. I put this forth to see how you folks feel about the public school system. Jump in!! I myself see the system as a joke. More football less eduction. The American way.
Too Political
Uncle Tom's Cabin
All Quiet on the Western Front
A Farewell To Arms
Animal Farm
Too Much Sex
Ulysses
Jaws
The Prince of Tides
Irreligious
On the Origin of Species
Harry Potter series
Socially Offensive
The Autobiography of Benjamin FRanklin
The Scarlet Letter
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The list goes on and on. See the org. article by Betsy Towner in the AARP Bulletin.
OK, you've told us why the school system is a joke. Now, tell us why you, the Queer Libertarian, is such a joke.
Just observing

New Braunfels, TX

#3 Sep 5, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
Having taught one year. All I could take in the government controlled public school system. I have wondered why the system is such a failure. Now I know. Below is a list of books banned for a number of stupid reasons. One thing for sure, never let it be said our public schools are not truculent when comes to common sense and books. I put this forth to see how you folks feel about the public school system. Jump in!! I myself see the system as a joke. More football less eduction. The American way.
Too Political
Uncle Tom's Cabin
All Quiet on the Western Front
A Farewell To Arms
Animal Farm
Too Much Sex
Ulysses
Jaws
The Prince of Tides
Irreligious
On the Origin of Species
Harry Potter series
Socially Offensive
The Autobiography of Benjamin FRanklin
The Scarlet Letter
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The list goes on and on. See the org. article by Betsy Towner in the AARP Bulletin.
You very eloquently established in your first sentence the reason why you dont know jackshit about our public education system, you taught one year. Do you think that makes you an expert? There is absolutely nothing wrong with our public education system except for the way that it is perceived and reported about. I dont think a single book that you listed is banned from any reading list or is not a part of any school library. The public school system in Texas is under local control with oversight from the TEA. If you think that public education has too much football and not enough academics, then that would be a local problem. You cannot extend the problems that you see with your local public school and assume that all public schools suffer the same problems. They simply do not. You are only repeating the negative and false garbage that the media reports which is entirely erroneous and based on half truths, which means the other part is a half lie. When it comes to public education Texas will always have the MOST of everything, the most drop outs, teenage pregnancies, etc. etc., but they will also have the most graduates, the most outstanding scholars, the most college bound students, etc. etc. for the simple fact that Texas has more school kids except for maybe California. Repeating the tired old Baloney about poor public education just shows how little you really understand about the public education system. If you are interested in my public education credentials, I would be happy to give them to you along with many years of insight into this matter on numerous Texas campuses. You are dead wrong in saying that public education in Texas is all bad, that is simply a lie and nowhere near the truth of what is really happening in education in Texas these days. Open your eyes and quit listening to the shrill stupid voices from the media about matters that they know nothing of.
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#4 Sep 5, 2010
Just observing wrote:
<quoted text>
You very eloquently established in your first sentence the reason why you dont know jackshit about our public education system, you taught one year. Do you think that makes you an expert? There is absolutely nothing wrong with our public education system except for the way that it is perceived and reported about. I dont think a single book that you listed is banned from any reading list or is not a part of any school library. The public school system in Texas is under local control with oversight from the TEA. If you think that public education has too much football and not enough academics, then that would be a local problem. You cannot extend the problems that you see with your local public school and assume that all public schools suffer the same problems. They simply do not. You are only repeating the negative and false garbage that the media reports which is entirely erroneous and based on half truths, which means the other part is a half lie. When it comes to public education Texas will always have the MOST of everything, the most drop outs, teenage pregnancies, etc. etc., but they will also have the most graduates, the most outstanding scholars, the most college bound students, etc. etc. for the simple fact that Texas has more school kids except for maybe California. Repeating the tired old Baloney about poor public education just shows how little you really understand about the public education system. If you are interested in my public education credentials, I would be happy to give them to you along with many years of insight into this matter on numerous Texas campuses. You are dead wrong in saying that public education in Texas is all bad, that is simply a lie and nowhere near the truth of what is really happening in education in Texas these days. Open your eyes and quit listening to the shrill stupid voices from the media about matters that they know nothing of.
more like your alleged "public education credentials" !
The Quixotic Libertarian

United States

#5 Sep 5, 2010
First let me say, Chaka Con, have you considered counseling along with RD. I know you have a lot of anger about your homosexual thoughts but I assure counseling will help. Please, please check in and get help. A few names in Brownwood the two of you can go see: John S Sommer or The Taylor Clinic for starters. You can find other in the yellow pages. Take care, we all feel your pain.

JO and Steve, I assure you there are some good systems around. But, I find it hard to believe that the system cannot be improved. Yearly advance training for teachers required in the subject taught would be a good start. From what I have seen, one goes to HS, attends a local collage, then comes back to the same HS to teach. Do you really feel those individuals have enough experience to teach? Another, why is it in most school Admin. is made of Coaches? What happened to professional people with Masters/PHD's? Why can't coaches be coaches not teacher/coach? The school board and locals will fire the coach in a second if they lose a few games but let a bad teacher stick around for years. Do you really believe this the way the system should be run? Why is the public school system he-l bent on stopping vouchers? Why is it teachers are not evaluated on results? In the business world and military if one does not show improvement in job performance they are let go. I assure you that is not happening in most (not all) public schools. Why? In fact, what I have seen in Texas is dad, mom, sister, brother are all teaching at the same school and in some cases those in Admin. are family. Tell me that is not a problem? In closing, I was not just pointing out Texas schools. I am looking at it nation wide. Aside from that I still say the system needs fixing. So JO/Steve, show me where I am wrong regarding the above questions. Oh, by the way, it sure is nice to see the two of you agree on a subject. Thanks for you side and have a great day.
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#6 Sep 5, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
First let me say, Chaka Con, have you considered counseling along with RD. I know you have a lot of anger about your homosexual thoughts but I assure counseling will help. Please, please check in and get help. A few names in Brownwood the two of you can go see: John S Sommer or The Taylor Clinic for starters. You can find other in the yellow pages. Take care, we all feel your pain.
JO and Steve, I assure you there are some good systems around. But, I find it hard to believe that the system cannot be improved. Yearly advance training for teachers required in the subject taught would be a good start. From what I have seen, one goes to HS, attends a local collage, then comes back to the same HS to teach. Do you really feel those individuals have enough experience to teach? Another, why is it in most school Admin. is made of Coaches? What happened to professional people with Masters/PHD's? Why can't coaches be coaches not teacher/coach? The school board and locals will fire the coach in a second if they lose a few games but let a bad teacher stick around for years. Do you really believe this the way the system should be run? Why is the public school system he-l bent on stopping vouchers? Why is it teachers are not evaluated on results? In the business world and military if one does not show improvement in job performance they are let go. I assure you that is not happening in most (not all) public schools. Why? In fact, what I have seen in Texas is dad, mom, sister, brother are all teaching at the same school and in some cases those in Admin. are family. Tell me that is not a problem? In closing, I was not just pointing out Texas schools. I am looking at it nation wide. Aside from that I still say the system needs fixing. So JO/Steve, show me where I am wrong regarding the above questions. Oh, by the way, it sure is nice to see the two of you agree on a subject. Thanks for you side and have a great day.
Where have you seen "dad, mom, sister, brother are all teaching at the same school" ? I think students should be educated about voting machines in their community ! Do you agree ?

http://blackboxvoting.org/

Report: ES&S Voting Machines Can Be Maliciously Calibrated to Favor Specific Candidates

Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/repo...
Chaka Con

De Leon, TX

#7 Sep 5, 2010
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Where have you seen "dad, mom, sister, brother are all teaching at the same school" ? I think students should be educated about voting machines in their community ! Do you agree ?
http://blackboxvoting.org/
Report: ES&S Voting Machines Can Be Maliciously Calibrated to Favor Specific Candidates
Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/repo...
The question SHOULD be, should tantrum throwing gay lunatic Steve Harris, the most prolific spammer and troll topix has ever known, be allowed to post completely off topic spams day in and day out?
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#8 Sep 5, 2010
Chaka Con wrote:
<quoted text>
The question SHOULD be, should tantrum throwing gay lunatic Steve Harris, the most prolific spammer and troll topix has ever known, be allowed to post completely off topic spams day in and day out?
Steve who ? Is Steve your Boogie Man Con Chaka ? Now wash your hands, go to school and learn your Geography !

http://www.ewg.org/sites/asbestos/maps/shipme...
The Quixotic Libertarian

United States

#9 Sep 5, 2010
Chaka Con wrote:
<quoted text>
The question SHOULD be, should tantrum throwing gay lunatic Steve Harris, the most prolific spammer and troll topix has ever known, be allowed to post completely off topic spams day in and day out?
I do agree, it is part of his nature to get off topic. The other side of that coin is; don't reply. Silence is golden.
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#10 Sep 5, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
Having taught one year. All I could take in the government controlled public school system. I have wondered why the system is such a failure. Now I know. Below is a list of books banned for a number of stupid reasons. One thing for sure, never let it be said our public schools are not truculent when comes to common sense and books. I put this forth to see how you folks feel about the public school system. Jump in!! I myself see the system as a joke. More football less eduction. The American way.
Too Political
Uncle Tom's Cabin
All Quiet on the Western Front
A Farewell To Arms
Animal Farm
Too Much Sex
Ulysses
Jaws
The Prince of Tides
Irreligious
On the Origin of Species
Harry Potter series
Socially Offensive
The Autobiography of Benjamin FRanklin
The Scarlet Letter
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The list goes on and on. See the org. article by Betsy Towner in the AARP Bulletin.
Religious nuts in Texas seek to ban book about book banning!
The Quixotic Libertarian

United States

#11 Sep 5, 2010
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Where have you seen "dad, mom, sister, brother are all teaching at the same school" ? I think students should be educated about voting machines in their community ! Do you agree ?
http://blackboxvoting.org/
Report: ES&S Voting Machines Can Be Maliciously Calibrated to Favor Specific Candidates
Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/repo...
OK, I shall restate. According to my sources (quite reliable) there are family members (not whole families) working in the same system in DeLeon ISD, Brownwood ISD, Comanche ISD etc. My concern is having family member in the same system puts an unwanted burden on how one handles hiring and firing. In fact, many corporations have strict rules regarding such. That aside, "YES" we need to teach kids not only how to vote, but the pros and cons of the system. Do I believe machines are maliciously calibrated to favor specific candidates, "YES, YES!!!!" Will it ever be stopped, no. But to date, it is the best system in the world. For how long I don't know? That is why I have problems with the public schools. They never address the truth. Just look at the HS history books. They are dissected and one reads very little real history. Again, my problem with the public school system is the influence religious groups, special interest groups and government have on the system. I would like to see the groups listed, out of the way, and let the system teach the truth and if some teacher uses his or her position to push an agenda they should be fired. Quite simple. In closing, if the system was working why are we not in the top 10% when compared to other countries (not including third world countries) and why are manufactures going outside the US to hire?
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#12 Sep 5, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, I shall restate. According to my sources (quite reliable) there are family members (not whole families) working in the same system in DeLeon ISD, Brownwood ISD, Comanche ISD etc. My concern is having family member in the same system puts an unwanted burden on how one handles hiring and firing. In fact, many corporations have strict rules regarding such. That aside, "YES" we need to teach kids not only how to vote, but the pros and cons of the system. Do I believe machines are maliciously calibrated to favor specific candidates, "YES, YES!!!!" Will it ever be stopped, no. But to date, it is the best system in the world. For how long I don't know? That is why I have problems with the public schools. They never address the truth. Just look at the HS history books. They are dissected and one reads very little real history. Again, my problem with the public school system is the influence religious groups, special interest groups and government have on the system. I would like to see the groups listed, out of the way, and let the system teach the truth and if some teacher uses his or her position to push an agenda they should be fired. Quite simple. In closing, if the system was working why are we not in the top 10% when compared to other countries (not including third world countries) and why are manufactures going outside the US to hire?
"why are manufactures going outside the US to hire?"

The Politics of Industrial Renaissance

Business and government may waver, but the American people want more manufacturing.
Harold Meyerson | January 25, 2010

So who's for reviving American manufacturing? American manufacturers? Well, some of them, under certain conditions. The American people? Most of them, under most conditions. The American government? Well, parts of it. Sometimes.

Reviving American manufacturing may be an economic and strategic necessity, without which our trade deficit will continue to climb, our credit-based economy will produce and consume even more debt, and our already-rickety ladders of economic mobility, up which generations of immigrants have climbed, may splinter altogether. That's no guarantee, however, that American manufacturing will actually be revived. The forces arrayed against it -- chiefly, finance and big retailers, Wall Street and Wal-Mart -- have tremendous political clout.

The epochal shift that's overtaken the American economy over the past 30 years -- from making things to making debt -- is not easily reversed. The two main economic sectors to have profited by that shift -- finance, which has compelled manufacturers to move offshore in search of higher profit margins, lower wages, and fewer regulations; and retailers, who have compelled manufacturers to move offshore in search of lower prices for consumers and higher profits for themselves -- have a clear interest in perpetuating the current economic order. Time was when the largest American private-sector employer was General Motors, which paid its workers enough for them to buy its product. Today, the largest American private-sector employer is Wal-Mart, which pays its workers so little that they are compelled to shop at Wal-Mart and take on levels of debt that have swelled the big banks' coffers.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles...
The Quixotic Libertarian

United States

#13 Sep 5, 2010
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
"why are manufactures going outside the US to hire?"
The Politics of Industrial Renaissance
Business and government may waver, but the American people want more manufacturing.
Harold Meyerson | January 25, 2010
So who's for reviving American manufacturing? American manufacturers? Well, some of them, under certain conditions. The American people? Most of them, under most conditions. The American government? Well, parts of it. Sometimes.
Reviving American manufacturing may be an economic and strategic necessity, without which our trade deficit will continue to climb, our credit-based economy will produce and consume even more debt, and our already-rickety ladders of economic mobility, up which generations of immigrants have climbed, may splinter altogether. That's no guarantee, however, that American manufacturing will actually be revived. The forces arrayed against it -- chiefly, finance and big retailers, Wall Street and Wal-Mart -- have tremendous political clout.
The epochal shift that's overtaken the American economy over the past 30 years -- from making things to making debt -- is not easily reversed. The two main economic sectors to have profited by that shift -- finance, which has compelled manufacturers to move offshore in search of higher profit margins, lower wages, and fewer regulations; and retailers, who have compelled manufacturers to move offshore in search of lower prices for consumers and higher profits for themselves -- have a clear interest in perpetuating the current economic order. Time was when the largest American private-sector employer was General Motors, which paid its workers enough for them to buy its product. Today, the largest American private-sector employer is Wal-Mart, which pays its workers so little that they are compelled to shop at Wal-Mart and take on levels of debt that have swelled the big banks' coffers.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles...
OK, thats just fine, but I am still waiting for answers to Post #5. I do believe you defended the public school system; yes??? If you are behind the system then please try answering the questions. It would be greatly appreciated.
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#14 Sep 5, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, thats just fine, but I am still waiting for answers to Post #5. I do believe you defended the public school system; yes??? If you are behind the system then please try answering the questions. It would be greatly appreciated.
I agree with you when you posted "I assure you there are some good systems around.". I'd wager many of those "good systems" are benefiting from Stimulus dollars as well !

Brown County Stimulus
http://projects.propublica.org/recovery/local...

Quixotic Libertarian, how much Stimulus is your County receiving ?
red dawn

Crosby, TX

#15 Sep 5, 2010
LIBERTARIAN--- so you only fooled the school system for one year-- then thay fired your wild eyed liberal ass, you was susposed to be teaching math and such. so now you are all pissy pants because you can not expose the children to your wild liberal dickweed agenda.
The Quixotic Libertarian

United States

#16 Sep 5, 2010
Wish I could answer that but I really don't have a clue. I am sure there is some money coming in. What scares me is when the Feds start with hand outs, what do they want in return? Guess it is just a sickness with us Libertarian's. I just can't find myself trusting the government. Have a good holiday.
Just observing

New Braunfels, TX

#17 Sep 6, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
First let me say, Chaka Con, have you considered counseling along with RD. I know you have a lot of anger about your homosexual thoughts but I assure counseling will help. Please, please check in and get help. A few names in Brownwood the two of you can go see: John S Sommer or The Taylor Clinic for starters. You can find other in the yellow pages. Take care, we all feel your pain.
JO and Steve, I assure you there are some good systems around. But, I find it hard to believe that the system cannot be improved. Yearly advance training for teachers required in the subject taught would be a good start. From what I have seen, one goes to HS, attends a local collage, then comes back to the same HS to teach. Do you really feel those individuals have enough experience to teach? Another, why is it in most school Admin. is made of Coaches? What happened to professional people with Masters/PHD's? Why can't coaches be coaches not teacher/coach? The school board and locals will fire the coach in a second if they lose a few games but let a bad teacher stick around for years. Do you really believe this the way the system should be run? Why is the public school system he-l bent on stopping vouchers? Why is it teachers are not evaluated on results? In the business world and military if one does not show improvement in job performance they are let go. I assure you that is not happening in most (not all) public schools. Why? In fact, what I have seen in Texas is dad, mom, sister, brother are all teaching at the same school and in some cases those in Admin. are family. Tell me that is not a problem? In closing, I was not just pointing out Texas schools. I am looking at it nation wide. Aside from that I still say the system needs fixing. So JO/Steve, show me where I am wrong regarding the above questions. Oh, by the way, it sure is nice to see the two of you agree on a subject. Thanks for you side and have a great day.
By reading every one of your questions, it is obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about our public ed system. Once again, you cannot compare one public school and assume that all are just like that, every school is different than the next. I dont know of a single school where the teachers that attended the school dominate the staff, thats not true. I do not know of a single teacher that is not evaluated on the State mandated PDAS(Professional Development and Appraisal System)or is not held accountable for their standardized testing results. Every single teacher in the state of texas is held accountable to both the profession and the test results of their students. You cannot teach a subject in the classroom without a degree and proper state certification as well as federal qualifications to match, I dont know where you're dredging up the idea that you can. Every single one of your concernes that you cited here are accounted for by either the local district, state TEA, or federal requirements placed on teachers. If you dont like what is happening as to how the local district hires or behaves, then that is up to you to change through voting in the proper board candidates to execute the will of the voters in the direction of the school. Its all about LOCAL CONTROL. If the local school system sucks, then its your fault and the voters, but now way in hell can you condemn the entire public education system as faulty, that is simply not true. There are thousands of highly qualified and highly performing school districts in the State alone. If Brownwood schools suck, dont drag everyone else into the argument and comdemn them as well. THE SYSTEM AINT BROKE! its works just fine, your perception of the system is what is broke, its operating out of total ignorance.
Just observing

New Braunfels, TX

#18 Sep 6, 2010
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
more like your alleged "public education credentials" !
There is nothing alleged about my public education credentials, I have a bachelors degree in physics, an MS in science education, 32 years of teaching science in the public schools, mostly physics, I have dozens of former students that are now physicians, engineers, businesss owners, etc. and most are very successful in their chosen careers. I have watched the system utilize my talents to equip the next generation with all the tools that they need for success. If you want to learn, if you have a desire to succeed, and a teacher that is knowledgable and willing to spend the time, then you have a winning combination for education that no system, regardles of any inherent flaws, can hold back. There are hundreds of thousands of educators like me all over this state, that achieve success with their students every year, regardless of any small problems or flaws found within their local districts. The education system is why we have enjoyed unparalleled economic success for the past 50 years or more. Most people that run the education system down are for the most part those that are uneducated or did not flourish in the local system that they were in; therefore, according to them the education system is broke because they couldnt function within it. Most are your typical antisocial types like some that you will encounter here on a daily basis.
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#19 Sep 6, 2010
Just observing wrote:
<quoted text>There is nothing alleged about my public education credentials, I have a bachelors degree in physics, an MS in science education, 32 years of teaching science in the public schools, mostly physics, I have dozens of former students that are now physicians, engineers, businesss owners, etc. and most are very successful in their chosen careers. I have watched the system utilize my talents to equip the next generation with all the tools that they need for success. If you want to learn, if you have a desire to succeed, and a teacher that is knowledgable and willing to spend the time, then you have a winning combination for education that no system, regardles of any inherent flaws, can hold back. There are hundreds of thousands of educators like me all over this state, that achieve success with their students every year, regardless of any small problems or flaws found within their local districts. The education system is why we have enjoyed unparalleled economic success for the past 50 years or more. Most people that run the education system down are for the most part those that are uneducated or did not flourish in the local system that they were in; therefore, according to them the education system is broke because they couldnt function within it. Most are your typical antisocial types like some that you will encounter here on a daily basis.
too bad you can't prove all of this talk about your resume because you know doing so would disclose your identity ! You can't even tell the truth about your name that you post here with ! Just observing ? yeah right ! You're just a nasty mouthed Just participating in reality !
Steve

San Angelo, TX

#20 Sep 6, 2010
The Quixotic Libertarian wrote:
Wish I could answer that but I really don't have a clue. I am sure there is some money coming in. What scares me is when the Feds start with hand outs, what do they want in return? Guess it is just a sickness with us Libertarian's. I just can't find myself trusting the government. Have a good holiday.
so your clueless ?

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