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Blathering on about pie in the sky philosophers is one thing. Giving their ideas power is quite another. If mankind were to be a unit of production for the state, don't you think he would have aspired to that "lofty" goal by now? We are not ants. Society is not an anthill. "But Plato said...." Plato didn't know sh8t! He just wrote good novels. How come we've had governments for at least six thousand years and they've all been overthrown! Or failed in some way or another. Was it that the govts just weren't powerful enough to curb the rebellious instincts of the people? Is more Govt power the answer? Funny thing though, America, with it's libertarianism for two hundred years produced the greatest upsurge in Human achievements that the world has ever known. More human happieness, health, economic power, scientific accomplishments and individual wealth.
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I think that it is fair to say that most Americans have only a passing knowledge of the writings of philosophers such as Plato, Thomas More, Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, Charles de Montesquieu and Alexis de Toqueville.
Some would attribute this to the "dumbing down of America" that has been inexorably taking place in our schools over the past half-century or so.
But the truth is that all of these individuals as well as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels have exerted a great deal of influence over American political thought in the 235 years of our nation's existence.
Plato, More, Hobbes and of course Karl Max all come down on the side of "collectivist" or "utopian" states whereby individuals must necessarily become subservient to the interests of the state.
In such an environment individuals
"must be managed and suppressed by masterminds for the greater good."
There is no tolerance for individual self-interest or even self-preservation.
A person's labor and property belong to the state or are controlled by the state.
http://www.amazon.com/Ameritopia-Unmaking-Mar...
Lol. So now philosophy is a liberal pursuit. You can complain about philosophers as you please, and you can throw out Marx and Engels and I can throw out Ayn Rand, who was just as dangerous, if not more so. Her thought is essentially what you're espousing. No one I'm aware of, not even liberals, have anything against self-interest. But your believe in free market solutions to everything is absurd because the market doesn't solve all social problems. I think your views on which philosophers espoused collectivist or utopian views are also just wrong; and in any case nearly all philosophers believe the end of the philosophy will be utopia. Ayn Rand espoused her utopia as well, so it's not as if your own philosophy is immune from your own criticism.
Finally, I think your belief that certain philosophies having exerted influence, although true for some time, have certainly faded in recent times. You sound just flat out willfully ignorant or crazy. Do you recall Bush and his GOP congress? Not too long ago we had Ayn Rand philosophy running the country. Result - near depression. Since Reagen, every GOP admin has exploded our date. It really took off with Reagen. Continued with HW Bush. Clinton finally fixed their mess, we get surplus, and along comes W Bush to screw it up all over again, but worse. And now the liberals are left to clean up the mess. Supply side economics is a failure, bottom line. I repeat - 12 years of tax cuts on the wealthy ... your so-called job creators ... and where are the jobs? Nowhere... the economy basically failed entirely. Obama cleaned up the mess, put the brakes on unemployment, and got it back under control down to the level it was when he took over. From 4.7 to 7.8 under W Bush... over just a 2 year period. From 7.8 to 9.8 back to 7.8 in 4 years under Obama. Someone turned it around, and it was Obama with no help at all from the GOP, who has been obstructing him at every turn. Facts matter. Continue the willfull ignorance.

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The Clinton Surplus Myth wrote:
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Clinton ran deficits throught all 8 years of his term, and one can go to the US Treasury Department and looking through the history of the total outstanding debt through Clintons term.
Every year Clinton was in office, the total national debt continued to climb.
How Clinton managed to claim a surplus was that while the general operating budgets ran deficits but Clinton borrowed from numerous off budget funds to make the on budget fund a surplus.
For example, in 2000, Clinton claimed a $230B surplus, but Clinton borrowed
$152.3B from Social Security
$30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund
$18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund
$15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund
$9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund
$8.2B from Military Retirement Fund
$3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds
$1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund
$7.0B from others
Total borrowed from off budget funds $246.5B, meaning that his $230B surplus is actually a $16.5B deficit.
($246.5B borrowed -$230B claimed surplus =$16.5B actual deficit).
If there is ever a true surplus, then the national debt will go down.
the national debt did not go down one year during the Clinton administration.
The rate of growth of the national debt slowed under Clinton, and he left office with budget surpluses and the national debt on track to be eliminated by 2013.
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Thurlow Weed wrote:
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You're so cute Lulu! Stalin and his gang used to describe their ideological opponents as crazy also. Don't you wish you had a gulag to put all the "crazy" people into?
Maybe not crazy, but intellectually dishonest. E.g.: changing the terms of the debate by "throwing sand in your opponents eyes." Changing "debt limit debate" to "debt crisis" and then we have to solve the "debt crisis" which has nothing to due with the debt limit. And then with the help of FOX you manufacture a crisis in the public forum that is not there.
It's hard to understand how people can keep defending trickle down economics when time and again it has proven ineffective. Income inequality is the highest it's been since the roaring 20s. Cutting taxes on the rich doesn't create jobs unless a balance is built in. The government has to off-set the desire of the wealthy to pocket the extra revenue rather than either 1. hire more workers; or 2. pay their existing workers more money.
Those disagree with me are not crazy. They are evil. And I am all good. End of story.
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The Clinton Surplus Myth wrote:
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Clinton ran deficits throught all 8 years of his term, and one can go to the US Treasury Department and looking through the history of the total outstanding debt through Clintons term.
Every year Clinton was in office, the total national debt continued to climb.
How Clinton managed to claim a surplus was that while the general operating budgets ran deficits but Clinton borrowed from numerous off budget funds to make the on budget fund a surplus.
For example, in 2000, Clinton claimed a $230B surplus, but Clinton borrowed
$152.3B from Social Security
$30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund
$18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund
$15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund
$9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund
$8.2B from Military Retirement Fund
$3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds
$1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund
$7.0B from others
Total borrowed from off budget funds $246.5B, meaning that his $230B surplus is actually a $16.5B deficit.
($246.5B borrowed -$230B claimed surplus =$16.5B actual deficit).
If there is ever a true surplus, then the national debt will go down.
the national debt did not go down one year during the Clinton administration.
http://zfacts.com/book/export/html/81
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The Clinton Surplus Myth wrote:
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Clinton ran deficits throught all 8 years of his term, and one can go to the US Treasury Department and looking through the history of the total outstanding debt through Clintons term.
Every year Clinton was in office, the total national debt continued to climb.
How Clinton managed to claim a surplus was that while the general operating budgets ran deficits but Clinton borrowed from numerous off budget funds to make the on budget fund a surplus.
For example, in 2000, Clinton claimed a $230B surplus, but Clinton borrowed
$152.3B from Social Security
$30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund
$18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund
$15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund
$9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund
$8.2B from Military Retirement Fund
$3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds
$1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund
$7.0B from others
Total borrowed from off budget funds $246.5B, meaning that his $230B surplus is actually a $16.5B deficit.
($246.5B borrowed -$230B claimed surplus =$16.5B actual deficit).
If there is ever a true surplus, then the national debt will go down.
the national debt did not go down one year during the Clinton administration.
Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton’s fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-a...
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The Clinton Surplus Myth wrote:
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Do you drink your Kool-aid with ice or straight?
The website you posted strangely lacks factual evidence, just more liberal opinion.
With corn liquor and ice.
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At the core of conservativism are two
emotional engines that can be described in pictures. One is a terrified child hiding under his bed screaming with fear of life itself. The second image is the same child hoarding every toy in sight and hitting anyone how seems to be having fun.

That's really all they are.
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Lou Schwartz wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe not crazy, but intellectually dishonest. E.g.: changing the terms of the debate by "throwing sand in your opponents eyes." Changing "debt limit debate" to "debt crisis" and then we have to solve the "debt crisis" which has nothing to due with the debt limit. And then with the help of FOX you manufacture a crisis in the public forum that is not there.
It's hard to understand how people can keep defending trickle down economics when time and again it has proven ineffective. Income inequality is the highest it's been since the roaring 20s. Cutting taxes on the rich doesn't create jobs unless a balance is built in. The government has to off-set the desire of the wealthy to pocket the extra revenue rather than either 1. hire more workers; or 2. pay their existing workers more money.
Those disagree with me are not crazy. They are evil. And I am all good. End of story.
I don't think the right wingers are irrational. Their No. 1 goal is to defeat Obama and they are doing whatever they can to make it happen even at the expense of economy, welfare of the elderly and the poor. Their (ir)rational hate for liberals have reached the peak. They were so upset of Bill Clinton for his successful handling of the Gingrich and the gang they sworn to themselves to never again deal with a democrat. So off with your rational discussion and get ready for chaos all around. This is just the preview!
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Lou Schwartz wrote:
At the core of conservativism are two
emotional engines that can be described in pictures. One is a terrified child hiding under his bed screaming with fear of life itself. The second image is the same child hoarding every toy in sight and hitting anyone how seems to be having fun.
That's really all they are.
LOL!

Lou, are you ALWAYS a thief or only occasionally?

You're as despicably dishonest as danny BOY. Like you, he's been known to copy and paste stolen text into Topix threads while presenting the works of others as his own.

'Your' comment was stolen verbatim--errors and all--from "Geonomist" posted on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 04:34:29 AM PDT:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/30/1138...

So much for YOUR integrity, Lou. You've proven yourself a slimy plagiarist.
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I sure an losing the debate, oh I mean crisis.

I get my crazy lunatic talking point from a right winged "Think Tank". This "Think Tank" that I drink from is headed up by that great thinker Jim DeMint. He has some great ideas doesn't he.

I get all my insane lunatic nourishment from these "bulletin boards" and then I cutNpaste them here. I've posted several thousands of them now -yes that's what I do....

Keep the crap coming Jimmy boy...you're a gem. My whole world revolves around your every word now. I have no individual thought at all. I lost that several years ago along with my sanity...
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Congressmen drill Hillary Clinton on Benghazi.........she was cool as a cucumber........
It was a surprise attack
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But remember when Reagan was in office ???

Suicide bombers detonated each of the truck bombs. In the attack on the American Marines barracks in 1982... the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima of World War II, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War
No one took responsibility for almost 300 dead Americans...... It was a surprise attack....
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Remember when Bush was in office ???????

The first we see any sign of life in the Republican party are fierce attempts to blame Clinton for Bengazi attack..of course, nobody blamed Condi for the attack on the United States on 9/11 that killed over 3000 Americans ??????? No one took responsibility for 9/11 ,it was a surprise attack.......

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Benghazi !!!!!!!!!!
Lou Schwartz

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Ted wrote:
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LOL!
Lou, are you ALWAYS a thief or only occasionally?
You're as despicably dishonest as danny BOY. Like you, he's been known to copy and paste stolen text into Topix threads while presenting the works of others as his own.
'Your' comment was stolen verbatim--errors and all--from "Geonomist" posted on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 04:34:29 AM PDT:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/30/1138...
So much for YOUR integrity, Lou. You've proven yourself a slimy plagiarist.
That is me, a-hole.
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Lou Schwartz wrote:
<quoted text>That is me, a-hole.
!LOL!

Yes, of COURSE it is you copying and pasting your own post from the DAILY KOS, Lou!

LOL

So you're plagiarist AND a liar, a-hole.

Big surprise.

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"The Clinton Surplus Myth"

Thank God! Someone else sees that! I like your style! As I've said many times, go back to the to the first two years of the Clinton travesty. There was a big push for more taxes. One Biggie was the
"Carbon Tax" He had both houses of Congress and they dutifully passed every thing he wanted. They got washed out in the next election! The new Republican House of Reps put Clinton on a spending diet and that diet actually slowed down spending somewhat. It was the Repubicans in the house that caused any surpluses, not free spending Clinton!
"My president was elected by dead people!"
Regards, Terri

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Factcheck dot org:

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-a...

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The rightwing alternate history machine has worked hard on distorting this historical fact, but that doesn't change ACTUAL history in the reality-based universe.

The rate of growth of the national debt slowed under Clinton, and he left office with budget surpluses and the national debt on track to be eliminated by 2013.
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Congressmen drill Hillary Clinton on Benghazi.........she was cool as a cucumber........
It was a surprise attack....Clinton takes full responsibilty..........
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But remember when Reagan was in office ???

Suicide bombers detonated each of the truck bombs. In the attack on the American Marines barracks in 1982... the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima of World War II, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War
No one took responsibility for almost 300 dead Americans...... It was a surprise attack....NO one took repsonsibility..........
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Remember when Bush was in office ???????

The first we see any sign of life in the Republican party are fierce attempts to blame Clinton for Bengazi attack..of course, nobody blamed Condi for the attack on the United States on 9/11 that killed over 3000 Americans ??????? No one took responsibility for 9/11 ,it was a surprise attack.......No one took responsibility.....

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TerryE wrote:
"The Clinton Surplus Myth"
Thank God! Someone else sees that! I like your style! As I've said many times, go back to the to the first two years of the Clinton travesty. There was a big push for more taxes. One Biggie was the
"Carbon Tax" He had both houses of Congress and they dutifully passed every thing he wanted. They got washed out in the next election! The new Republican House of Reps put Clinton on a spending diet and that diet actually slowed down spending somewhat. It was the Repubicans in the house that caused any surpluses, not free spending Clinton!
"My president was elected by dead people!"
Regards, Terri
so why do you claim republicans "caused any surpluses" if it is a myth?
good example of you using "doublethink".

"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient,"
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Thurlow Weed wrote:
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You're so cute Lulu! Stalin and his gang used to describe their ideological opponents as crazy also. Don't you wish you had a gulag to put all the "crazy" people into?
This might be true but he was just using this as an excuse to oppress dissidents who didn't agree with his dictatorial policies...

So, this is an example of you using anything out of the blue and twistijng it to conform to your warped view of how things should be in your nutty world.

You on the other hand are truly insane...unlike Stalins victims.
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TerryE wrote:
"The Clinton Surplus Myth"
Thank God! Someone else sees that! I like your style! As I've said many times, go back to the to the first two years of the Clinton travesty. There was a big push for more taxes. One Biggie was the
"Carbon Tax" He had both houses of Congress and they dutifully passed every thing he wanted. They got washed out in the next election! The new Republican House of Reps put Clinton on a spending diet and that diet actually slowed down spending somewhat. It was the Repubicans in the house that caused any surpluses, not free spending Clinton!
"My president was elected by dead people!"
Regards, Terri
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/ 02/the-budget-and-deficit-unde r-clinton/
truth

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