One school schedule benefits families

One school schedule benefits families

There are 24 comments on the The Reporter story from May 22, 2008, titled One school schedule benefits families. In it, The Reporter reports that:

Your editorial and many letters to the editor about school calendar choice fail to acknowledge a few key issues.

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Dale

San Francisco, CA

#1 May 22, 2008
Now who is being selfish? You misunderstand far too many points to comment.
Betsy-former TUSD parent

Pleasanton, CA

#2 May 22, 2008
Of course it's selfish. So is the arguments being made for the mixed calendar. Don't be so naive as to think that your view is the only view!
It's quite simple, one calendar districts have no inter-site conflicts and helps parents who have children in different schools. Should they not be given consideration? Do they not have the same rights?
Dale wrote:
Now who is being selfish? You misunderstand far too many points to comment.
Anthony

United States

#3 May 22, 2008
Let's see, Money or Calendar. Oh, I'm a teacher, of course money comes first.
Patti

Davis, CA

#4 May 22, 2008
All schools in the VUSD should be on the same schedule, period. My kids attended year round school and Cooper for their entire elementary school years. It did not impress me at all. It did get challenging when my daughter began attending Vaca Pena and my son was still at Cooper. The year round schedule is a disruptive schedule to say the least. Teachers spend more time packing up their classrooms for the move than teaching. I was a room mom for years. I saw it first hand. I'm glad the teachers got a raise, but the week off in October is the most ridiculous, foolish schedule to date.
mom of YR kids

Berkeley, CA

#5 May 22, 2008
Anthony, not all teachers feel that way. I've spoken to a couple who don't. One was a teacher at a traditional school who told me I'd be surprised at how many of her fellow traditional schedule teachers feel the same way. They think the year round schools should be able to keep their schedule, and don't feel the money is worth the change. I'm not saying all teachers feel this way, but some do.
Janet

Fairfield, CA

#6 May 22, 2008
Ken, you are very mistaken! Teachers do not recieve 13 weeks a year "vacation". Students come to school for 180 days, and teachers are only paid for 183 days. Every other day is UNPAID. THat includes days spent taking down and setting up classrooms, working over other breaks to prepare for the students, etc. I bet when you take your vacation, you are paid for it. Teachers are considered temporarily unemployed over the summer.
To Max

Fairfield, CA

#7 May 22, 2008
Janet wrote:
Ken, you are very mistaken! Teachers do not recieve 13 weeks a year "vacation". Students come to school for 180 days, and teachers are only paid for 183 days. Every other day is UNPAID. THat includes days spent taking down and setting up classrooms, working over other breaks to prepare for the students, etc. I bet when you take your vacation, you are paid for it. Teachers are considered temporarily unemployed over the summer.
Max, we already know exactly how you are going to respond to this hard-working teacher...so why not just keep quiet? I'll sum up for you:
you will say again that teachers have a cushy contract and they don't have to do any extra work as the contract is for 6.5 hours a day and they only work 183 days a year. You will will ask how Janet will spend her three months off. You will for the thousandth time comment on your belief that the CTA is about money first and students last.....blah blah blah....
Anthony

Redwood City, CA

#8 May 22, 2008
Janet, you are correct, teachers do not get paid for the 13 week vacation. Instead they get paid what non-teachers get for a full years work without having 13 weeks off.

To mom of YR kids: I'm sure there are teachers who want to keep the year round calendar but not enough to actually do more than pay lip-service to the idea. They could have turned down the contract and negotiated a different calendar but they didn't.
teacher

Fairfield, CA

#9 May 22, 2008
Anthony wrote:
Janet, you are correct, teachers do not get paid for the 13 week vacation. Instead they get paid what non-teachers get for a full years work without having 13 weeks off..
Which non-teachers are you talking about?
Doctors? College professors? Crossing guards? Lawyers? How much do professionals with 4-8 years of college make on average? How does that compare with an average teacher's salary?
Max

Santa Rosa, CA

#10 May 22, 2008
To Max wrote:
<quoted text>
Max, we already know exactly how you are going to respond to this hard-working teacher...so why not just keep quiet? I'll sum up for you:
you will say again that teachers have a cushy contract and they don't have to do any extra work as the contract is for 6.5 hours a day and they only work 183 days a year. You will will ask how Janet will spend her three months off. You will for the thousandth time comment on your belief that the CTA is about money first and students last.....blah blah blah....
Wow, lots of notoriety for me and I hadn't even posted anything here.

You get most of the points I usually make, but since you've been such a good student, I don't need to repeat them. B+ for you.
Anthony

Redwood City, CA

#11 May 22, 2008
teacher: Since money is so important it is a shame that you did not do any investigation about salaries before you decided to become a teacher. Sorry you chose the wrong job.
teacher

Fairfield, CA

#12 May 22, 2008
Anthony wrote:
teacher: Since money is so important it is a shame that you did not do any investigation about salaries before you decided to become a teacher. Sorry you chose the wrong job.
I did not choose the wrong job. I feel very good about my work and how I am compensated. Teaching is not about salary for me. I loved being a student and I love being a teacher. I was just questioning your comment about "non-teacher" salaries.
Did I say "money is so important?"
teacher

Fairfield, CA

#13 May 22, 2008
Max wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, lots of notoriety for me and I hadn't even posted anything here.
You get most of the points I usually make, but since you've been such a good student, I don't need to repeat them. B+ for you.
I'll take the B+. It wasn't my best effort. I should have looked up previous posts to be sure I had all your points covered.
Max

Santa Rosa, CA

#14 May 22, 2008
It's good to know you're listening.

Since: Jan 08

Vacaville

#15 May 23, 2008
Why shouldnt the teachers care about money? Do they get freebies out of life for being a teacher? No. Does their cost of living stay the same? No. Do they get gas that isnt almost $4 a gallon?No. Are YOU going to make sure all of their bills are paid? NO. So why shouldnt they try to get a raise? Just because they want a raise doesnt mean anything about putting their students last. The change in the calenndar doesnt mean that either. I cant believe how ignorant some people can be. Teachers DO NOT only teach, they have lives too, believe it or not. They have bills to pay too. They have to eat too. Leave them alone.
Max

Santa Rosa, CA

#16 May 23, 2008
Penne wrote:
Why shouldnt the teachers care about money? Do they get freebies out of life for being a teacher? No. Does their cost of living stay the same? No. Do they get gas that isnt almost $4 a gallon?No. Are YOU going to make sure all of their bills are paid? NO. So why shouldnt they try to get a raise? Just because they want a raise doesnt mean anything about putting their students last. The change in the calenndar doesnt mean that either. I cant believe how ignorant some people can be. Teachers DO NOT only teach, they have lives too, believe it or not. They have bills to pay too. They have to eat too. Leave them alone.
What does any of this dribble have to go with the calendar? Penne - Have you been drinking that Wild Turkey Paul talks about?

Individually I like teachers. Collectively, through their union and what their union and CTA agenda promotes is counter productive to the education of our children.

FYI - My 10th grader passed the HS exit exam, just got the results. Maxine said it was easy. I credit some teachers, and her Math Masters tutor for this positive outcome.

Now Penne - Go get some exercise, it's pretty nice walking around Lagoon Lake, try it. Bring some bread heals to feed the ducks.
Max

Santa Rosa, CA

#17 May 23, 2008
One more thing. My sister Maxannetta (name change to protect the innocent) the teacher in Kern County, gets lots of free stuff. She just got her whole house painted for the cost of materials by a parent and former student. She gets free meals at a local restaurant all the time from a parent of a former student, her vet bills for her dog Kirby Puckett(real name, dog is black), no charge.

As a Master Teacher and multiple times Teacher of the Year, I have had parents tell me unsolicited that she was the best teacher their kid has ever had.

Teachers are paid what they are worth.
Patti

Davis, CA

#18 May 23, 2008
Max wrote:
<quoted text>What does any of this dribble have to go with the calendar? Penne - Have you been drinking that Wild Turkey Paul talks about?
Individually I like teachers. Collectively, through their union and what their union and CTA agenda promotes is counter productive to the education of our children.
FYI - My 10th grader passed the HS exit exam, just got the results. Maxine said it was easy. I credit some teachers, and her Math Masters tutor for this positive outcome.
Now Penne - Go get some exercise, it's pretty nice walking around Lagoon Lake, try it. Bring some bread heals to feed the ducks.
Max - I wouldn't put so much credit on Math Masters. Both of my children passed the HS exit exam in the 10th grade as well and said it was the easiest test they have ever taken. My son even struggles in math and said it was 7th grade level.
Max

Santa Rosa, CA

#19 May 23, 2008
My kid tells me the same thing. The test is eighth grade math and english.

However Math Masters is the best math tutor I have found in years.

We both know many 10th graders failed the test though.

Credit is still given to some teachers and tutors regardless of the complexity/simplicity of the test.
Jess

Sacramento, CA

#20 May 23, 2008
Growing up in Suisun. I went to an all-year round school for elementary and middle school. I thought it was great. I did very vell in school. You'd go for a few months and then just when it seemed like your brain was going to explode you'd get a month vacation. A month was the perfect amount of time because you'd never get the opportunity to forget everything you learned. When highschool came along for me I had to switch to the traditional school. My first summer was a lot of fun. But yet, when I came back to school in the fall I felt like I was dumb and couldn't remember how to do things I'd learned the previous year. In elementary school my parents were encouraged to put me in the Gate program for excelerated learners. In middle school I had received straight A's. But in high school I had to struggle to hold anything higher then a C. I blame that greatly on the summers. I hope one day that all the schools will switch over to all-year round schooling. It is truely the best way for kids to learn everything properly.

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