NY food stamps purchases routinely se...

NY food stamps purchases routinely sent to relatives overseas

There are 20 comments on the BizPacReview.com story from Jul 22, 2013, titled NY food stamps purchases routinely sent to relatives overseas. In it, BizPacReview.com reports that:

With a record number of Americans now receiving assistance from the federal government to eat, it would seem there should be more oversight on the use of Electronic Benefit cards and those who are using them.

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FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#1 Jul 22, 2013
I'd bet when you ship food by the barrel a lot of it winds up on the black market as well. The stores are just as bad selling the barrels. They seem to know what is going on. If a customer comes in a buys a barrel and takes it home that is onething but if they buy a barrel and immediately stuff using an EBT card at the store, the store is enabling fraud.

How much food aid do these countries need. Maybe instead of food aid or dollars we should send agricultural/farming specialists so they can grow and make their own food.

This is infuriating since I know unemployed Americans who couldn't get food stamps or are given highly restricted amounts.
Orangutangadingd ong

UK

#2 Jul 22, 2013
no point teaching certain countries to grow food, etc.

Give a black man a free fish and he'll eat it.

Give him a rod and a net , he'll pawn it.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#3 Jul 22, 2013
At one discount supermarket around her immigrants will buy 4 dozen box CASES of cereal to send back to their original country. That's 48 boxes of cereal for one family. This happens several times a year at one market alone. One family eats almost a 100 boxes of cereal a year???

They estimate each barrel is worth 2000 dollars plus. You can't tell me that stuff doesn't wind up on the underground economy yielding illegal drug prices. But to feed their 'family' overseas, oh please.

It's also troubling that the same region where this food is being set was 522 million dollars in aid last year. That's half a BILLION dollars. Where did it all go???

Since: Apr 12

Willcox, AZ

#4 Jul 23, 2013
maybe they can fix the computers in the store so no one buys quantity like that. Or it gets reported especially if its from food stamps.?????????

Joan

“Lets go Mets/JETS”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#5 Jul 23, 2013
This is the least of our countrys problems. Guess the repubs are bored again. Number 1 problem is stop sending other countrys money
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#6 Jul 23, 2013
joanNYadoptees wrote:
maybe they can fix the computers in the store so no one buys quantity like that. Or it gets reported especially if its from food stamps.?????????
Joan
I'd asked the staff that and since they don't have any limits or posted limits they have to sell it if the customer can pay for it. The problem is yes they sold 4 dozen boxes in one swoop but now it will another 10 days to 2 weeks before they sell another. Every time a customer does not find the item they want they look elsewhere-I did. I know they label items as food stamp acceptable or recommended(wic approved) but I don't know the quantities on food stamp buys. This market is in and near some of the poorest areas in this part of the state and frequently see people paying with the EBT/food stamp card.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#7 Jul 23, 2013
TMAN_Mets wrote:
This is the least of our countrys problems. Guess the repubs are bored again. Number 1 problem is stop sending other countrys money
Last year that region of this hemisphere received 522 MILLION dollars in aid. That's half a BILLION dollars. What did they spend it on or use it for. My guess especially if we give them stuff like bulldozers for construction or sacks of rice much it winds up being sold by corrupt government officials. I don' think the aid ends up with it's intended user.

Since: Apr 12

Willcox, AZ

#8 Jul 24, 2013
Many years ago I witnessed fraud. I mentioned it to the supermarket manager. He knew they were fraud, and told me, there ins't anything they could do. So that was 30 years ago. Its still going on. The people who need the food and the fraud that is going on, is hurting the ones who need it. I know people use two names, 2 socials and with all the damn computers we can't do anything about this. They finger print visitors in prisons, so the the prisoners don't get out. How about using a fingerprint, and tracking it, so people don't have two identities. They certainly can track the purchases. They don't want to.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#9 Jul 28, 2013
Turns out that food stamp money purchased food does wind up on the black market.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/isle_take_...

So welfare money is being used in criminal enterprises overseas to top it off.

One gangster or deportee from NY admits to participating in a blackmarket operation.

“Lets go Mets/JETS”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#10 Jul 28, 2013
FOLLOWthemoney wrote:
Turns out that food stamp money purchased food does wind up on the black market.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/isle_take_...
So welfare money is being used in criminal enterprises overseas to top it off.
One gangster or deportee from NY admits to participating in a blackmarket operation.
Ever stop to think that if the repubs didnt steal all of the riches for themselves, many people would not need food stamps. Its all the repubs fault.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#11 Jul 28, 2013
TMAN_Mets wrote:
<quoted text>Ever stop to think that if the repubs didnt steal all of the riches for themselves, many people would not need food stamps. Its all the repubs fault.
How is this any political party's fault. This is crime pure and simple. This is for profit crime. I'd charge them with racketeering.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#12 Aug 19, 2013
Welfare and Food Stamp are just the tip of the iceberg from these immigrant groups.

Florida Radio Host charged with passport/id fraud.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-haitian-radio-...

How brazen is that.

The Domincan Republic is becoming a major source of not only PEDs/steroid but players using them. And committing ID fraud to play in the major leagues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/sports/base... ;

I'd like a million dollar contract too. But I live legally and in reality.

Since: Jul 10

Mineola, NY

#13 Aug 19, 2013
Pass a law making participation in this type of fraud punishable by death. Then start enforcing the hell out of it.

The people want a more fiscally responsible, leaner government footprint. This is one way to make that happen and fast, while cleaning the genetic crap out of the cesspool.
Cranki

Hicksville, NY

#14 Aug 19, 2013
Today once again I was viewed as an ATM machine by an African American. This happens quite often, and also to other white people I'm told.

I'll be on a line of mixed races, and the African American will come only to me to ask for money!

wtf

I am so fed up with this. I am not an ATM machine!
Cranki

Hicksville, NY

#15 Aug 19, 2013
joanNYadoptees wrote:
Many years ago I witnessed fraud. I mentioned it to the supermarket manager. He knew they were fraud, and told me, there ins't anything they could do. So that was 30 years ago. Its still going on. The people who need the food and the fraud that is going on, is hurting the ones who need it. I know people use two names, 2 socials and with all the damn computers we can't do anything about this. They finger print visitors in prisons, so the the prisoners don't get out. How about using a fingerprint, and tracking it, so people don't have two identities. They certainly can track the purchases. They don't want to.
They say they will be using fingerprint, and retina technology soon. Maybe THEN.
Cranki

Hicksville, NY

#16 Aug 19, 2013
FOLLOWthemoney wrote:
I'd bet when you ship food by the barrel a lot of it winds up on the black market as well. The stores are just as bad selling the barrels. They seem to know what is going on. If a customer comes in a buys a barrel and takes it home that is onething but if they buy a barrel and immediately stuff using an EBT card at the store, the store is enabling fraud.
How much food aid do these countries need. Maybe instead of food aid or dollars we should send agricultural/farming specialists so they can grow and make their own food.
This is infuriating since I know unemployed Americans who couldn't get food stamps or are given highly restricted amounts.
I see some people have put a mean symbol on your post.

I have fantasized asking an illegal alien how he or she would feel if I asked him to give me part of his salary for my needs. Try prying it out of their hands. Maybe then they would understand. This money is not dropping from the sky. It's coming out of someone's paycheck.

Maybe they'd get it if someone demanded a portion of THEIR pay.


I've had Indian DOCTORS (Who you'd think would know better) tell me the Medicaid medical care was free, so I shouldn't be concerned about any of the charges listed. The only explanation I can think of is jealousy for our system and wealth.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#17 Aug 19, 2013
joanNYadoptees wrote:
Many years ago I witnessed fraud. I mentioned it to the supermarket manager. He knew they were fraud, and told me, there ins't anything they could do. So that was 30 years ago. Its still going on. The people who need the food and the fraud that is going on, is hurting the ones who need it. I know people use two names, 2 socials and with all the damn computers we can't do anything about this. They finger print visitors in prisons, so the the prisoners don't get out. How about using a fingerprint, and tracking it, so people don't have two identities. They certainly can track the purchases. They don't want to.
Have a neighbor is playing games between two states in at least two different residences and different family members. He got miffed that the local offices found out and/or wanted information about his other home/s.

What they should do for starters is perhaps track food by the week. And encourage/incentivize to comparison shop and use generics. That NY/Dominican fraud involved sending Kellogs cornflakes. I've had generic corn flakes for years at this point. They should know what average food prices are in a given area and compare to what they are actually spending. If they can track spending/shopping patterns with your credit card they can do it with ebt users. You don't have to profile by name only acct # and use.

But how does one person consume 10 boxes of cornflakes?
lol

Hamilton, Canada

#18 Aug 19, 2013
Obama's America (Africa).
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#19 Aug 19, 2013
Cranki wrote:
<quoted text>
I see some people have put a mean symbol on your post.
I have fantasized asking an illegal alien how he or she would feel if I asked him to give me part of his salary for my needs. Try prying it out of their hands. Maybe then they would understand. This money is not dropping from the sky. It's coming out of someone's paycheck.
Maybe they'd get it if someone demanded a portion of THEIR pay.
I've had Indian DOCTORS (Who you'd think would know better) tell me the Medicaid medical care was free, so I shouldn't be concerned about any of the charges listed. The only explanation I can think of is jealousy for our system and wealth.
It's not mean. It's the truth. When the original story came out I knew it would wind up on the black market and the NY Post confirmed that in a later article with the Dominican connection.

I know people in south Florida and the stories I hear. They say it's not uncommon for a so called legal immigrant who works in jobs like retail go into to a store and buy just about anything in bulk. I've heard stories of new citizens or immigrants buying things like 10 drills and/or shop vacs at a time in a Sears or Home Depot. Or a dozen or two towels at the same time. They asked why they buy in bulk and they admitted to sending back to their original country. They look and/or wait for price cuts, sales and clearance, they actually try to negotiate with store managers on price. Point is where does the average Joe from the Caribbean working an 8 dollar an hour job getting the money to buy a dozen power tools at the same time, on a regular basis. These are unlicensed, undegreed and/or uncertified individuals. They are getting funded by someone or something else. They wouldn't pay for shipping unless it was profitable. Remember this goes on all the time through out the year.

Around here we have stores that frequently sellout of things like generic cereal with customers buying by the caseS. Again the employees inquired and the customer admits to sending this stuff back. CASES of cereal sometimes a 1/2 dozen cases which is around 70 boxes.

I'm still stuned at the number of individuals let alone immigrants that look at government benefits as nothing but a tool to pay their bills. That's why immigrant doctors who frequently are accused of Medicare/Medicaid fraud don't think twice about billing the government. The never assimilated culturally or ethically. Benefits are nothing but a 'tool' they will "borrow" but never give back. And/or wear into the ground. In other words ABUSE it.
FOLLOWthemoney

Pottstown, PA

#20 Aug 20, 2013
TMAN_Mets wrote:
This is the least of our countrys problems. Guess the repubs are bored again. Number 1 problem is stop sending other countrys money
This is NOT the least of the countries problems in this case in particular. The same Caribbean community is paying smugglers 2000$ an illegal immigrant to sneak them into the country.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/19/3460364...

We, the tax payer are paying to smuggle illegal immigrants into our own country. Among other things. How does the same community pay to buy and ship food overseas, pay smugglers, pay forgers for fraudulent paper work, house their illegal brethren and pay to live themselves. We probably paying for contraband smuggling other than human. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

In the same instant you have welfare/food stamp fraud and illegal immigrant smuggling. This IS a priority problem.

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