Ronald Reagan-the myth
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#22 Nov 2, 2012
SunRise, just do some googling and it will get you there. Reagan was the one that signed the bill into No ifs or buts about it. Remeber Reagan sid he ws oing to cut the defiit but never did. thats the promise he ran on. But instead he near trippled the deficit. But for this day and time he would never get elected asa republicna--he aint no te bagger type. He would not make in politics today,he would be cast out by those like Karl Rove and their kind.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#23 Nov 2, 2012
Sunris, Maybe our country can come togather fr the benefit of those harmed by Hurrican Sandy . Those people dan sure need some hep up there. and ow not tomorow. I saw woman that was at hier place butthe home was gone. She said she wanted to go home, but there was no home to go to. She did not even have pictures from her memory book to pass on don to her family. So anypeple had their lives swept away into oblivionlike nothing had been built there.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#24 Nov 2, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
Do you realize that Ronald Reagan left his final term as president, 23 years ago?
Did it take you 23 years to come up with all this pointless, shit or do you advocate the direction, to which; we, Americans are heading now?
I suppose he could have bitched and moaned about Jimmy Carter, when he took office and could have done absolutely nothing, kind of like the President we have now? However; he created a very vibrant economy and improved the Middle Class, so; quit looking like an idiot, trashing Reagan.
You mean you guys on the Left are so tired of trashing G.W. Bush, that you have to revert to Ronnie Reagan? This all stems from the idiot that you elected and his overall, horrendous performance, live with it and quit trying to blame someone that has been deceased for 8 years.
CONFUSED, yep he is gone, but the republicans keep trying to use his vooddoooo economics policy,And it did not owrk for him nor baby bush. It was daddy Bush that named Reagans monetary policy ---VOODDDDOOOO economics. He cut taxes in the time we needed revenue not tax cuts--the exact reason that the economy atarted going into the dump. So he changed his monetary policy and started raising taxes--11 times he raised taxes. Then remeber daddy BUSH said "read my lips no new taxes", but his monetary policy did not work also. It took a democrat to turn the economy around and balance the budget. He raised taxes on the rich and created 23 million jobs during his presidency. And Waht did Baby Bush do, he blew the opportunity to be a great president and give the people a balanced budget.
Sunrise

United States

#25 Nov 3, 2012
pappy wrote:
<quoted text> CONFUSED, yep he is gone, but the republicans keep trying to use his vooddoooo economics policy,And it did not owrk for him nor baby bush. It was daddy Bush that named Reagans monetary policy ---VOODDDDOOOO economics. He cut taxes in the time we needed revenue not tax cuts--the exact reason that the economy atarted going into the dump. So he changed his monetary policy and started raising taxes--11 times he raised taxes. Then remeber daddy BUSH said "read my lips no new taxes", but his monetary policy did not work also. It took a democrat to turn the economy around and balance the budget. He raised taxes on the rich and created 23 million jobs during his presidency. And Waht did Baby Bush do, he blew the opportunity to be a great president and give the people a balanced budget.
You need to take some classes in economics and then start reading information put out by both side of the aisle. Do you believe that if 23 million people go back to work and start paying taxes, the government will be taking in tax money from each of those people. If it were only $1 per week, that would be $23 million per week taken in. Plus most of them would have lost their unemployment benefits so the government would not be paying out that money. The other side of the picture is raising taxes on the rich (as you call them). You will not have that money coming in from the 23 million people. You will only have whatever tax amount you put on the rich. In your analysis you can only use the difference between what the "rich" are now paying and the new amount. You have already counted any amount that the rich have been paying before raising their taxes. The rich will put even more money in foreign banks and will not use their money to hire employees.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#26 Nov 4, 2012
Sunrisw, e would notbe in this revenue shortage if Bush had not put us in 2 wars, had 2 tax cuts which caused a revenue shortage as all 4 of thsoe iems was put on a goverment credit card nd emergency funding was used to pay for the 2 wars. Even the 2 tax cuts were not paid foras the Republican controlled house and senate would not extend the payas you go bill that was enacted during the clinton years in office. It was not allowed to be renewed. Besides if you remember the Bushies said deficit spending was no bad. But is if it becomes overloaded and a burden on our tax revenue of not enough money coming in. Bush was sure not a conservative when came to speding when it came to enriching the rich.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#27 Nov 4, 2012
By the Way Confused, I d believe he was a good person, and I have no doubt about that.
Sunrise

Fort Worth, TX

#28 Nov 4, 2012
pappy wrote:
Sunrisw, e would notbe in this revenue shortage if Bush had not put us in 2 wars, had 2 tax cuts which caused a revenue shortage as all 4 of thsoe iems was put on a goverment credit card nd emergency funding was used to pay for the 2 wars. Even the 2 tax cuts were not paid foras the Republican controlled house and senate would not extend the payas you go bill that was enacted during the clinton years in office. It was not allowed to be renewed. Besides if you remember the Bushies said deficit spending was no bad. But is if it becomes overloaded and a burden on our tax revenue of not enough money coming in. Bush was sure not a conservative when came to speding when it came to enriching the rich.
Can you really tell me with a straight fact the the US financial condition can all be blamed on Bush? Do you honestly think that obama had no part in sinking us into the heavy debt that we are in?

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#29 Nov 5, 2012
pappy wrote:
<quoted text> Confuuuused, you need to go back and check on who was had control of the house in the year DEcember of 2000 when the Glass Steagal billl was repealed and who actually worte the repeal to the modernization of the commodities act--Phil Ghramm and the Enron lobbyist --the republicans controled both houses by the numbers, not the democrats. In fact the demcocrats wrote bills and tried to do away with e modernization of the commodities act but the controllling Repulicans in the house and seante wouldnot let it pass. Check the facts out.An the bill was not even allowed to be read on the flooor when it was voted on.
Clinton had the power to veto, however; he chose to sign the bill? So, the Democrats get pegged with the overhaul of the banking system, that led to the Housing Bubble. Just like the Democrats are going to get pegged with the Leviathan, otherwise; known as Obamacare.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#30 Nov 8, 2012
Confused, you just made me fel real good--put the answer on my answer of who created that 7 trillion dollar cost of dbt Bush gave to OAMA. aFTER ALLL bUSH WAS THE ORIOGINATOR AND DONE BY CHOICE THE 2 TA CUTS, 2 WARS, AND NEVER MIND THE REST OFTHE DEFICIT SPENDING WAS HIS ALSO. THANKS FOR PROVING MY POIT OF THE ORIGIN OF OUR DEBT==BUSH
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#31 Nov 8, 2012
Did you folks know that Reagan was the originator of the OBAMA phone--he signed the bill into law in 1984. Later when obama was running for president the Republicans tries to put that lifeline bill og Reagans on him as the originatorof lifeline phone program. I guess they were ashme of what REAGAN had done by sining the billl into law. And thsi is not a part of the Reagan myth--its a fact. Some of you folks at the Fort are using the Obama free phone program by Reagan. dont you lieke the program.
Sunrise

Fort Worth, TX

#32 Nov 9, 2012
pappy wrote:
Confused, you just made me fel real good--put the answer on my answer of who created that 7 trillion dollar cost of dbt Bush gave to OAMA. aFTER ALLL bUSH WAS THE ORIOGINATOR AND DONE BY CHOICE THE 2 TA CUTS, 2 WARS, AND NEVER MIND THE REST OFTHE DEFICIT SPENDING WAS HIS ALSO. THANKS FOR PROVING MY POIT OF THE ORIGIN OF OUR DEBT==BUSH
Put your glasses on Pappy. She said Clinton, not Bush. So you choose to not count two huge stimulus bills where money was given by obama to people that could help him, the extension 2 times of the tax cuts, extension of unemployment benefits and lavish vacations for him and his family? In you mind none of this added to the deficit?

I will be contacting as many congressmen/women to beg them to stand firm. I know several of them personally. If they let the bill that was put in place through Dec. 31 stand there will be tax increases but also many cuts in entitlements. We need to go into another deep recession or even a depression. That is the only way some people will ever see what they have done. I can survive but democrats that can't make their check last until the next one comes in will see the light.
Sunrise

Fort Worth, TX

#33 Nov 9, 2012
pappy wrote:
Did you folks know that Reagan was the originator of the OBAMA phone--he signed the bill into law in 1984. Later when obama was running for president the Republicans tries to put that lifeline bill og Reagans on him as the originatorof lifeline phone program. I guess they were ashme of what REAGAN had done by sining the billl into law. And thsi is not a part of the Reagan myth--its a fact. Some of you folks at the Fort are using the Obama free phone program by Reagan. dont you lieke the program.
Yes, you keep trying to rub this in our face. At some point I gave you a link to the history of the bill. What Reagan put in place applied to a home phone for home bound people. It evolved into what it is today. Go back and find that link and read it.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#34 Nov 9, 2012
Agin Sunshine, you leave out the purpose of the phone program for those to poor to pay for phone servce. And so the servic was put into action by Reagan signing the bill. Clinton was the one tha added to the bill so that it incuded the cell phone service. And Bush adminsitraction in the FCCfixed it so TRACFONR owned by one of the bigest Bush donors was aded to the list of compnies that were allowed to serve on alist of providers. The cell phone side of LifeLine is known as Safelink. And SunShine if you need info you always go to the real source--the congressional library, they have millions of pieces of info. And Sunshine I never rub anything in a persons face. Reagan put a good piece of legislation into law. And the purpose was to save lives for those to pay for phone service. and there is no such thing as a free Obama phone, that person on the program pays a fee and the other part is paid by the others charges a slight fee.It is worth it if it can save someones life. You can not put a price on a human life or a cost. But apparently some people can, can 't they.
pappy

Flower Mound, TX

#35 Nov 9, 2012
How aboutthsoe people coming out and tweeting thsoe man yracist remarks Sunshine, I thought that someday we would be passed that part of the past. But apparently the past is still upon us. I am talking abou the remarks by racist that are being tweeted about Obama being reelected for another 4 year term as President. One person is already being investigated by the FBI for mentioning an asasination of Obama.Some people still live in their past. Just because their great hyped hope lost. They seem to forget that another election is coming in 2 yeaars an another i 4 yeas for president-- I wonder if these people are walking on their brains as my dad called a none thinking person.
Sunrise

Fort Worth, TX

#36 Nov 10, 2012
pappy wrote:
Agin Sunshine, you leave out the purpose of the phone program for those to poor to pay for phone servce. And so the servic was put into action by Reagan signing the bill. Clinton was the one tha added to the bill so that it incuded the cell phone service. And Bush adminsitraction in the FCCfixed it so TRACFONR owned by one of the bigest Bush donors was aded to the list of compnies that were allowed to serve on alist of providers. The cell phone side of LifeLine is known as Safelink. And SunShine if you need info you always go to the real source--the congressional library, they have millions of pieces of info. And Sunshine I never rub anything in a persons face. Reagan put a good piece of legislation into law. And the purpose was to save lives for those to pay for phone service. and there is no such thing as a free Obama phone, that person on the program pays a fee and the other part is paid by the others charges a slight fee.It is worth it if it can save someones life. You can not put a price on a human life or a cost. But apparently some people can, can 't they.
The lifesaving part of the program is goo but the program is obviously being abused. The abused needs to be stopped. I do think you are wrong about the phones not being free to the person who is issued the phone. Can you give me a link to that fact?
Sunrise

Fort Worth, TX

#37 Nov 10, 2012
pappy wrote:
How aboutthsoe people coming out and tweeting thsoe man yracist remarks Sunshine, I thought that someday we would be passed that part of the past. But apparently the past is still upon us. I am talking abou the remarks by racist that are being tweeted about Obama being reelected for another 4 year term as President. One person is already being investigated by the FBI for mentioning an asasination of Obama.Some people still live in their past. Just because their great hyped hope lost. They seem to forget that another election is coming in 2 yeaars an another i 4 yeas for president-- I wonder if these people are walking on their brains as my dad called a none thinking person.
Obama has set the black race back with his racial divide. The racial divide and class warfare was part of his election strategy. I expect that tactic to continue since the democrats found that it works well for them. Shame on obama. I don't know about the people that you say are using racial remarks. I don't watch or listen to such things and I have no control over people who would do such things. It is standard procedure for the FBI to investigate threats on the president.
Donnie

United States

#38 Nov 10, 2012
pappy wrote:
How aboutthsoe people coming out and tweeting thsoe man yracist remarks Sunshine, I thought that someday we would be passed that part of the past. But apparently the past is still upon us. I am talking abou the remarks by racist that are being tweeted about Obama being reelected for another 4 year term as President. One person is already being investigated by the FBI for mentioning an asasination of Obama.Some people still live in their past. Just because their great hyped hope lost. They seem to forget that another election is coming in 2 yeaars an another i 4 yeas for president-- I wonder if these people are walking on their brains as my dad called a none thinking person.
No different than blacks calling white crackers and other derogatory names! People misbehave and don't have any manners that should be maintained in society. Now anything goes people have terrible manners in public!

It's not whites only problem everyone is on the bad behavior bandwagon...WHAT WAS IT THAT BEYONCE SAYS AFTER OBAMA WON???

"TAKE THAT MITCHES!"
Donnie

United States

#39 Nov 10, 2012
Sunrise wrote:
<quoted text>The lifesaving part of the program is goo but the program is obviously being abused. The abused needs to be stopped. I do think you are wrong about the phones not being free to the person who is issued the phone. Can you give me a link to that fact?
He's right it isn't for FREE. The American Taxpayer is paying for it!
Sunrise

Fort Worth, TX

#40 Nov 10, 2012
Donnie wrote:
<quoted text>
He's right it isn't for FREE. The American Taxpayer is paying for it!
You are right about that for sure but Pappy said: "that person on the program pays a fee." I don't think that is correct. Do you know for sure?

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#41 Nov 10, 2012
Pappy,

We can argue back and forth for eternity, however; it's pretty apparent you're a Liberal that supports excessive spending, I am a Conservative that doesn't support excessive spending. Given the outcome of our recent Presidential Election, one fact remains: We have a fiscal problem that taxing the, rich, poor, middle class or anyone else, to which; you can think, will fix. Democrats can keep saying that it's a revenue problem, which; is complete and utter bullshit, it is a spending problem, you know it and I know it. However; the only solution is everyone, including; senior citizens, poor, rich and middle class taking a "fiscal haircut". Whether it be less entitlement benefits, higher taxes, military cuts or government department erasure, it must happen and it needs to happen sooner as opposed to later.

So, we will see if Obama is really worried about a "legacy" or if, he is completely full of shit and is truly a socialist? If he tries to attack the debt in a bipartisan manner and chooses to compromise, I will believe that he really chooses to leave a legacy of good, however; if he keeps supporting his ultra liberal, insolvent agenda, I will assume that he is a Socialist and prepare for the worst? Plain and simple, something must be done, it really doesn't matter how it happens, but; it must happen. However; when you take a 30% hit on your Social Security check for the rest of your life, don't blame me, blame entitlement programs, to which; you support?

Additionally, polarizing the national population, which; the Democrat party has accomplished, by race baiting and taxing the hell out of the rich is not a good way to accomplish a growing economy.

Especially, if you maintain current spending levels and future legislation does nothing more than hinder growth, while increasing taxes on everyone. This model didn't work during his first term as president, what makes you believe, it; will work now?

How can you not see the point, unless; you just refuse to see it?

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