Oklahoma Does Not Make Profit On Turnpikes, Who Does?

In 1953 state lawmakers told the Turnpike Authority they could sell more bonds, build more turnpikes and keep collecting tolls until all turnpikes are paid off. Full Story
G_ R_ Carlisle

Tulsa, OK

#1 Jan 16, 2013
We need to poay ioff thew turnpikes we have abkfore building any more. Oklahoma shouyld be spelled "Toll-klahoma" It is the Tollestr state in the nation. Some of those turnpike probably shouyldever have beeen built. I would say the Chicasaw and Cherokee wee unnecessary. Others need an Interstate nember, as I-42 for the Muskogee-Broken Arrow Expresway- and Cimaron Turnpikes. I would also apply I-47 to Indian Nation Turnpike and if US 412 were upgraded to Interstate standards at least between Fayettevilleanbd Tulsa, then make that I-46. Actually, the Bailey turnpike should have been I-38 since it is south of I-40.
Creek Turnpike shouyld be I-644 and Fitzparick should be I-440.
It makes it a littlemnore hassle to bypass cities on a toll road, especially if you don't have a PikePass.
Anyway, We do need to pay these hoighways off. There probably would not be the traffic to build any more tollroads except Maybe US 169 if brought up to Interstatge standards to Kansas City.
Maybe there could be an exgtension of I-45 from Dallas, TX to Oklahoma if it were brought up to Intyertstate standards. Probably the exisiting 4-lane highway is adequate forow.
Maybe a 4-lane through panhandle would be nice. At present, it is nbot possible to cross the USA go9ing through only 7 states and staying on an Interstate Highway. To do it in 7 requires going through the Oklahoma pamhandle. The seven states are Virgijnia and either Kentucky #Requires a fewrry crossin at Hickman-Dorena, MO# Tennessee, Oklahoma, Arkansas or Missouri, New Mexico, Arizona,California..
Going ton I-40 requires going through Texas Panhandle. Another possibility,ostly in Kansas or Colorado, would bew an expressway between Oklahoma City and Denvber. There is no diagonal Hoghway that covers this route. Although no major population centers exist on such route.
I like the way the Turner and Will Rogers are tolled with but one gate in middle.t is a modified tricket system, but you need not get a gticket on mainline if you entger at the end and have to stop only once. HGowevefr, one might lose receiptand not get a refund at existspast the midpoint. Also I wonder why there is no refund exiting westbound at Wellston.hat is a ways from end of turnpike. Will New Lureher interchange be complete?
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G_ R_ Carlisle

Tulsa, OK

#2 Jan 16, 2013
We need to pay off the toill roads in Oklahoma.

Theree are enough already as Oklahoma is one of the tolled est states in USA. shouyld be called "Toll-klahoma>" But because oif this mayb be tthat is why gasoloijne is cheaper, spo that may offset tolls in whole or in part. Many folks drive the tollways a lot. It would helpifthey could free the Turner and Will Rogers pikes at least The others may have to be tolled forefver as they will probably not self-liquidate. Ones liem the Cherokee and Chickasaw probably bare ly cover the expenses of collecting gthe tolls,

The Chickasaw should not have been built at all. It is like the Intgerstate 180 in Illinois to serve a Hennepin Steel plant. Four lanes is ntiurely unnecessary in thas case. But they did not finish the highway to Peoria as originally planned.

Why build a two lane turnpike in the first place? Kentucky did also, but tghey ahve makde free all their toll highways and bridges and even divide the cost with Illinois to operate the Cavbe-In-Rockferry. That is only interstate ferry that is free (one in ASrkansas is enturely free in Arkansas but onl7y accessible througyh there to Missouri so is a de facto intersate free ferry)., If Kentucky can do it, wh7y can"t Oklahoma? They6 did float some other bpnds to be paid off with fouel taxes to pay off the parkways. Some may be part of I-69 exgtension.thers should get Interstyate numebrs but may need upgrading in portions.

Anyway. That makes Kentucky have an excellent network of controlled access highways fro its state size. Why Can't Oklahoma.

I would suggest numbering some of the turnpikes Interstate numbers even though nboit funded by Interstate (0/10 funding. After all, they make Turner and Will Rogers and later Bailey Turtnpikes I-44. In early days of Interstates they incrporared exisiting toll roads in system to avbaoid wasteful duplication and have completed highways thatuch sooner. Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania and New York ahd adaantage of the tollways there. But thise are still to0lled. Of course there are maijtenance epenses and somje as Pennsylvanua Turnpike ahve receieved substantiol upgrades, as bypassing gthre tunnels.
A proposal has bee made to Make I-80 across Pennsylvania toll, but it would reuquire toonay tollogates as there are more interchanges on the free highways. Another problem of making the Toll highways free wouldf be needing to constrauct mnore interchanges. There are so few on the Will Rogers and Turner Turnpikes as these were ticket turnpike aroiginally. Barrier turnpike typiall have more interchanges but some may be partial and have ramp tolls.

One advantage of tollo highways over freeways is the direct access to service areas. Two were remnoved i on Will Rogers Turnpike leaving only the World's Largest McDonalds. The Illinois Tollway has six of its seven service areas spanning ghr ghighway, the only otther ones in the USA if not the world.

We need to restore the service areas on Will Rogers and also the south one on Muskogee Turtnpike. Some better restaurant besides McDonalds would be nice. Why not a good cafeteria?

We also need to improve the facilities athe oher picnic areas,nstalling flush toilets if feasible.
G_ R_ Carlisle

Tulsa, OK

#3 Jan 16, 2013
We need to pay off the toill roads in Oklahoma.
Theree are enough already as Oklahoma is one of the tolled est states in USA. shouyld be called "Toll-klahoma>" But because oif this mayb be tthat is why gasoloijne is cheaper, spo that may offset tolls in whole or in part. Many folks drive the tollways a lot. It would helpifthey could free the Turner and Will Rogers pikes at least The others may have to be tolled forefver as they will probably not self-liquidate. Ones liem the Cherokee and Chickasaw probably bare ly cover the expenses of collecting gthe tolls,
The Chickasaw should not have been built at all. It is like the Intgerstate 180 in Illinois to serve a Hennepin Steel plant. Four lanes is ntiurely unnecessary in thas case. But they did not finish the highway to Peoria as originally planned.
Why build a two lane turnpike in the first place? Kentucky did also, but tghey ahve makde free all their toll highways and bridges and even divide the cost with Illinois to operate the Cavbe-In-Rockferry. That is only interstate ferry that is free (one in ASrkansas is enturely free in Arkansas but onl7y accessible througyh there to Missouri so is a de facto intersate free ferry#., If Kentucky can do it, wh7y can"t Oklahoma? They6 did float some other bpnds to be paid off with fouel taxes to pay off the parkways. Some may be part of I-69 exgtension.thers should get Interstyate numebrs but may need upgrading in portions.
Anyway. That makes Kentucky have an excellent network of controlled access highways fro its state size. Why Can't Oklahoma.
I would suggest numbering some of the turnpikes Interstate numbers even though nboit funded by Interstate #0/10 funding. After all, they make Turner and Will Rogers and later Bailey Turtnpikes I-44. In early days of Interstates they incrporared exisiting toll roads in system to avbaoid wasteful duplication and have completed highways thatuch sooner. Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania and New York ahd adaantage of the tollways there. But thise are still to0lled. Of course there are maijtenance epenses and somje as Pennsylvanua Turnpike ahve receieved substantiol upgrades, as bypassing gthre tunnels.
A proposal has bee made to Make I-80 across Pennsylvania toll, but it would reuquire toonay tollogates as there are more interchanges on the free highways. Another problem of making the Toll highways free wouldf be needing to constrauct mnore interchanges. There are so few on the Will Rogers and Turner Turnpikes as these were ticket turnpike aroiginally. Barrier turnpike typiall have more interchanges but some may be partial and have ramp tolls.
One advantage of tollo highways over freeways is the direct access to service areas. Two were remnoved i on Will Rogers Turnpike leaving only the World's Largest McDonalds. The Illinois Tollway has six of its seven service areas spanning ghr ghighway, the only otther ones in the USA if not the world.
We need to restore the service areas on Will Rogers and also the south one on Muskogee Turtnpike. Some better restaurant besides McDonalds would be nice. Why not a good cafeteria?
We also need to improve the facilities athe oher picnic areas,nstalling flush toilets if feasible.
G_ R_ Carlisle

Tulsa, OK

#4 Jan 16, 2013
We need to payt off the turnpike and not buiod any more until paid off. Why did we build the Chickasaw Turnpike? That is so short and two lane only. Who will shell out 55 cenths fro that? I wouldn't. Gravel trucks complain about it, those fvilling fromm the nearby pits. That is like Illinois'nterstate 180 at Hennepin. That is a 13 mile highway thaty serves a steellant that is nbot alwys open. They spent millionms on a frour lane hoghway (At least it is free!) and at times one can drive it and not see another vehicle. Four lanes were enturely niunnecessary though tghey did need connection to I-80 for Illinois 29 to peoria. However, if that higbhway fere 4-lane all the way to Peoria it would get nore traffic. There is another short extensiuon of I-474 that is Ill 6 and political pull.. If they would ever complete it, but there is no money unless that too were a toillway. Maybe it should be as are ost expressway in Chiago area. But at least downstate Mosat of Intertstates are feww. There are two, I-39 and I-72 that were added as supplemetal freewys and are concurrent with US 51 and 36 respectively, so as to improve thwem. Thay are excellent but unfortunately have only one frest area and not a filling station nor fast food at ev ewry interchange. So tatt is a disadvantage.
Oklahoma Needs to Interstate-nukmber its tollways as Muskogee Turnpike, Cimarron Turnpike and Broken Afrrow Expressway.The Crfeek Turnpike should be I-644, Mijgo Valley Exprfessway I-344 and Pafrt of I-75 in Tulsa numbered to I-344. If Gilcrease were improved to Interstatge Sta
I wouildlkie to see Tolls removed from I-44 for through traffic. But we migh have to build more interchanges On I-44 as there are few.ne comes from Missouriu where there are inbterchanges evewrfy few miles and then fjinbd 176-28 miles between interchanges in Oklahoma.
are equipped with transponders and there is a unifrom system nationwide then we could make all controlled access highways and have trandsonders. Have videor cameras get license numbers of all vehicles. They do that in Canada on Onterio 400 series hoighway. There are proiblems of some getting bills foir toll who did not use the highway.
But i Hope we can make a ssytem that works well. Another possibiity is just to toll the mainline reas and not put gates at every intgerchange. The Connecticut turn pike was like this It had 90 interchanges and didvided highway to 8 sections with coin drop gates. Thye made it free after an accident at one of the gates.
Kentucky has made all parkways free now and toll bridges and ferries (Except Hickman-Dorena), So we ned to make frfee the thurnpikes. Maybe an increase of a penny in gas tax will mkae that possible. Because of c urruption in the Illinois Tollway susytem, that is still toll. gtherwiuse it coulde free, and especially if the East West Ronald Reagan Tollway had noty been built. It is unneccasy west of Dekalb and Ochelle due to proximity of I-180. Politics is why they built it. The same Comcfregte may hav made Congested Illinois 47 an expressway. That is a by[poaas of Chicago area gtruck tgraffic and is quite congested with only a couple brief 4-lane strtches in towns.
But to make a way for one who uses it to pay is probably best,
The use of Pike passes is helpful to avoid stopping ad congestion at tollgagtes. In Illinois cash users must pay double I-pas rtates. As thosee afre heavily used by commuterts in the Chicago area, the to9llgate congestion is a severe problem in the Chicago area.
So we need open road tolling
It is a good pay as you go system as long as there is not corruption.

Since: Jul 12

Oklahoma City, OK

#5 Jan 17, 2013
If I can't read this without autocorrecting it first, then you need to try again.

Besides, you are literally establishing statements of preference and then arguing against them, which means you likely don't know too much about what you're saying.

But then again, maybe you do and nobody can read it.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#6 Jan 17, 2013
Who gets the money from the tickets the OHP write? Do the Bond investors get that too?

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