Broken Arrow Police Conduct 'Ghost Op...

Broken Arrow Police Conduct 'Ghost Operations' In Work Zones

There are 44 comments on the News on 6 Tulsa story from Apr 23, 2010, titled Broken Arrow Police Conduct 'Ghost Operations' In Work Zones. In it, News on 6 Tulsa reports that:

This week has been "Work Zone Awareness Week." A week, that the Oklahoma Department of Transportation put emphasis on the importance of driving safely through construction work zones across Oklahoma.

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LUVACOP

Broken Arrow, OK

#24 Apr 23, 2010
Here is a bright idea, Why not follow the posted speed? That way you don't have to worry about anything and you still get to your destination with your checkbook unscathed. Seems pretty simple to me.
milkey

Broken Arrow, OK

#25 Apr 23, 2010
BAPD just a joke bunch of theivin dope head alcoholic wife beating racist hippocrits.
IMHO

Terlton, OK

#26 Apr 23, 2010
Its revenue, and publicity.
That's all that matters when you live the lie.
Rick in BA

Chariton, IA

#27 Apr 23, 2010
One very simple solution here.... SLOW DOWN !!!!!

If you can't pay the fine... Don't do the crime...

MikeyWay

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#29 Apr 24, 2010
BA cops are stupid i drink and drive all the time around here and they just think im a ole handycap bumb my ole truck looks like crap and that fake blue hanycap tag does me wanders ha ha
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#31 May 4, 2010
Gonzo wrote:
<quoted text>And you suck MORE punk !!Guess they fixed you up afew times huh?
Nope. I have never been ticketed by the BAPD. I follow posted limits and laws. I know my rights and am one of the ones they don't want to harass.

Seems to me, you must be BAPD. How's the SUCK taste?

I am all for being held accountable for your actions. I am also all for honest and direct police work. Not underhanded and sneaky police work.

The fact is.....this is to generate revenue ONLY.

I work in the legal profession and have first hand experience with the BAPD underhanded and sneaky dealings. That is why I sold my house and moved out of their city. I refuse spend any money in BA as doing so only supports the city by generating tax revenue.

Hear that all you people that don't like the BAPD????
Move out of that town and don't spend your $ there. That's about the best you can do......legally.

BTW Gonzo.....how bout me and you rent a cage? I believe Triton rents one. Then I'll show you the real meaning of being my PUNK.....legally.
Jeepster

Tulsa, OK

#32 May 4, 2010
BAPD Sucks wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. I have never been ticketed by the BAPD. I follow posted limits and laws. I know my rights and am one of the ones they don't want to harass.
Seems to me, you must be BAPD. How's the SUCK taste?
I am all for being held accountable for your actions. I am also all for honest and direct police work. Not underhanded and sneaky police work.
The fact is.....this is to generate revenue ONLY.
I work in the legal profession and have first hand experience with the BAPD underhanded and sneaky dealings. That is why I sold my house and moved out of their city. I refuse spend any money in BA as doing so only supports the city by generating tax revenue.
Hear that all you people that don't like the BAPD????
Move out of that town and don't spend your $ there. That's about the best you can do......legally.
BTW Gonzo.....how bout me and you rent a cage? I believe Triton rents one. Then I'll show you the real meaning of being my PUNK.....legally.
So, when a police officer goes undercover to obtain information to arrest drug dealers, you consider that to be sneaky and underhanded?
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#33 May 4, 2010
That's a loaded question there Jeepster.....

Is the undercover officer doing the drugs to fit in and gain trust or just buying the drugs?

See where I'm going with this? If they are not deceiving the sellers by doing the drugs, then it's OK. If they are doing the drugs to fit in and gain trust, it's entrapment.

Plain clothes officers posing as construction workers is hardly undercover....so you are not comparing apples to apples Jeepster.

The fact is.....if they want people to slow down, it only takes a squad car paked in front of the construction zone, no officer needed. If they are hiding and posing as a non police officer, it's entrapment and can only be for generating revenue.

Look at this situation....it's to generate revenue...not to keep the construction workers safe.

...and to touch on someone else's post about the workers being out there to make our drive a pleasurable one.....they are not out there for that. They are out there to simply feed their family and be a productive citizen.

You people that think this is OK....get ready to hand your guns and rights over if this type of police behavior isn't stopped.
Jeepster

Tulsa, OK

#34 May 4, 2010
BAPD Sucks wrote:
That's a loaded question there Jeepster.....
I don't see how a police officer posing as a construction worker is anything other than "undercover". Just because a speeding motorist is not equal (in your eyes) to a drug dealer doesn't mean that it is any different. They are both against the law, plain and simple.

You can call it entrapment and claim that the city is doing it for revenue. The ghost operations are meant to keep the construction workers safe. If it generates additional revenue for the city, so what?? If you don't speed in the work zones, you have nothing to worry about do you? And since you have moved away from BA, you are not adding to the city's revenue. Sounds to me like you are one of those people who just like to complain.
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#35 May 5, 2010
I am more than happy to carry on our discussion about this Jeepster but you can't just pay attention and reply to the points you want to.

So, are you saying you think it's OK for LEO's to break (or "bend" as the LEO's often put it)the law to catch offenders?

Both against the law yes....but not the same degree. That's why the punishment for DUI is more than the punishment for say.....trespassing.

If by "complain" you mean "speak the truth" or "educate others" then yes, I am one of those people.
Sweeper

Guthrie, OK

#36 May 5, 2010
Another Known Fact wrote:
So, easily able to be fought in court seeing that the officer actually pulling the vehicle over did not use his/her radar and cannot positively confirm the speed that the person was going (unless they catch them speeding also). So really it is quite a waste if anyone has a brain. If I were one that got the ticket I would ask to see the radar that I was caught with and if it wasnt the officers that pulled me over I would fight it since he is going off of what someone else says, as well there could be any type of "mix up" with other cars on the road.
Not required to show you the radar. Radar just confirms a visual estimation, so radar itself is not a deal breaker. Plus, an officer issuing a citation can do so on the direction of another officer witnessing the crime just as if he/she saw it personally.
Sweeper

Guthrie, OK

#37 May 5, 2010
BAPD Sucks wrote:
Underhanded is right.
If they really want to curtail speeding, they would not hide in plain clothes. They would park a squad car at the entry to the construction zone. EVERYONE knows that tactic works.
Typical BAPD ****! They are overrun with PD adolescence. Go GO GO is all they know. They don't care what the situation is. all they want to do is generate revenue. Period!
Without a bunch of legal advise and saying you can do this or that......the chances of a ticket given by a different officer than the one that clocked you holding up is court is roughly 1% for an educated offender.
Instead of being an educated offender, how about avoiding being an offender? I know it is a novel concept and all...
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#38 May 5, 2010
Where do you get I'm an offender?

Before spouting off maybe you should read what is/was wrote. I know it's a novel concept and all...

Have a nice day Sweeper
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#39 May 5, 2010
Sweeper wrote:
<quoted text>an officer issuing a citation can do so on the direction of another officer witnessing the crime just as if he/she saw it personally.
You are correct....but they both must show up in court and both their stories must be identical or very close to identical for their citation to stand. If one says "tan vehicle" and the other says "brown vehicle" they have obviously mistaken the accused identity when issuing the citation and it will be dropped. There are many other examples but I bet you get the point.
Jeepster

Tulsa, OK

#40 May 5, 2010
BAPD Sucks wrote:
I am more than happy to carry on our discussion about this Jeepster but you can't just pay attention and reply to the points you want to.
So, are you saying you think it's OK for LEO's to break (or "bend" as the LEO's often put it)the law to catch offenders?
Both against the law yes....but not the same degree. That's why the punishment for DUI is more than the punishment for say.....trespassing.
If by "complain" you mean "speak the truth" or "educate others" then yes, I am one of those people.
Well I thought I responded to each of your points but since you obviously do not agree with my opinion, and probably never will, what does it matter? There is really nothing to argue about here. Your point is that the officers are doing this only to generate revenue. My point is that they are doing this for 2 reasons: to catch offenders and to generate revenue.

You indicate that the officer posing as a worker is “sneaky and underhanded. I say that they are only doing whatever it takes to catch the law breakers. In this specific situation, the undercover officer (posing as a construction worker) is not doing anything to “entice” the motorist to speed through a work zone. They are just trying to catch the offenders. If they merely post a patrol car in front of the construction zone, people who normally do not slow down for the construction workers will just slow down that one time and will continue to speed through work zones at other times. If someone gets a ticket, they are more likely to remember that in the future and hopefully stop the idiotic behavior of speeding through the work zones.

I will agree with you that the workers are there because it is their job. Making the drive pleasurable is probably not the main reason they are at the construction site. However, I’m sure that each and every one of them hope and pray they do not get killed by a driver who is too self absorbed to be bothered to slow down in the work zone.

As far as handing in my guns and rights if “this type of police behavior isn’t stopped”, I have no idea what your point is on that one. I guess my comment to this would echo an earlier post -- your tinfoil hat is crooked.
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#41 May 6, 2010
Although I like and agree with most of your response, you still fail to address the point of weather or not you think it's OK for and LEO to break the law to catch offenders.

Hint: your answer should be...."NO, it's NEVER OK for a LEO to break the law to catch an offender"

The point you make of it being for 2 reasons is funny to me because by catching offenders they generate revenue so they are the same. Can't generate revenue without catching the offenders now can ya? It has nothing to do with keeping the workers safe other than the fact that the offenders caught will probably (meant as hopefully) slow down in future work zones. They are doing nothing to slow down traffic. Slowing down traffic from stopping offenders and others seeing them pulled over up ahead is what's actually working. Same could be accomplished by parking a manned or unmanned squad car at the entrance to said work zone.

It's nothing but a revenue generator plain and simple.

Yes, I can agree to disagree. In fact, I think that's an admirable quality you showed.

As far as the tinfoil hat comment...LOL..how do you know it's crooked....unless you wear one?
BAPD Sucks

Owasso, OK

#42 May 6, 2010
Sweeper wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of being an educated offender, how about avoiding being an offender? I know it is a novel concept and all...
Typical BAPD mentality....Act before thinking or conclude before understanding.
Sweeper

Guthrie, OK

#43 May 6, 2010
BAPD Sucks wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. I have never been ticketed by the BAPD. I follow posted limits and laws. I know my rights and am one of the ones they don't want to harass.
Seems to me, you must be BAPD. How's the SUCK taste?
I am all for being held accountable for your actions. I am also all for honest and direct police work. Not underhanded and sneaky police work.
The fact is.....this is to generate revenue ONLY.
I work in the legal profession and have first hand experience with the BAPD underhanded and sneaky dealings. That is why I sold my house and moved out of their city. I refuse spend any money in BA as doing so only supports the city by generating tax revenue.
Hear that all you people that don't like the BAPD????
Move out of that town and don't spend your $ there. That's about the best you can do......legally.
BTW Gonzo.....how bout me and you rent a cage? I believe Triton rents one. Then I'll show you the real meaning of being my PUNK.....legally.
I can understand not caring for the methods, but to say that cops can't be sneaky is a little near sighted. When people see an officer, they obey. Not because they know it is right, but because they see the officer and fear being caught. The point of the operation is to catch those people who are only decent driver's when the officer is present. Character is what you do when no one is watching. If people don't have character, then it needs to be administered.
BAPD Sucks wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical BAPD mentality....Act before thinking or conclude before understanding.
I read your post and I understand what you are saying. I just disagree. I just think that if people would put as much effort into obeying the law and being good citizens as they do in finding loopholes (that % chance of beating the ticket), life for everyone would be much better and simpler.
Sick of Thug Cops

San Antonio, TX

#44 Sep 12, 2011
Would like to get your input into a current situation. They are persecuting and harassing my mentally ill son. Have stopped him, gone into auto parts store and drug him out took him to jail - no charges ever filed of course because they had none. However they wait on him, wherever he is - and drag him down and then try to find anything to keep him. I do not understand why they have chosen to do this, why they have this much free time it is two specific thugs in costumes - not all of them. However the others just stand by w/o addressing or policing so to speak their own thugs. And then they wonder why the general tax paying public - has zero respect for any of them? Broken Arrow is the most corrupt repulsive little place I have ever had the misfortunate to land. I guess it was too much trouble to addresss the school admin/public offices WASTING millions of the tax payers dollars paying out their good ole boy contracts (i.e. Air Assurance_) nor did they ever arrest anyone in conjunction with lo and behold AA's storage unit suddenly oh my burning. really? and f you read the ledger today they just "decided" for business reasons to pay out on a cop beating a stopped motorist.
RogersCo

United States

#45 Sep 12, 2011
Sick of Thug Cops wrote:
Would like to get your input into a current situation. They are persecuting and harassing my mentally ill son. Have stopped him, gone into auto parts store and drug him out took him to jail - no charges ever filed of course because they had none. However they wait on him, wherever he is - and drag him down and then try to find anything to keep him. I do not understand why they have chosen to do this, why they have this much free time it is two specific thugs in costumes - not all of them. However the others just stand by w/o addressing or policing so to speak their own thugs. And then they wonder why the general tax paying public - has zero respect for any of them? Broken Arrow is the most corrupt repulsive little place I have ever had the misfortunate to land. I guess it was too much trouble to addresss the school admin/public offices WASTING millions of the tax payers dollars paying out their good ole boy contracts (i.e. Air Assurance_) nor did they ever arrest anyone in conjunction with lo and behold AA's storage unit suddenly oh my burning. really? and f you read the ledger today they just "decided" for business reasons to pay out on a cop beating a stopped motorist.
Can you spell ATTORNEY? Or do you just moan and bitch about this? If half of what you say has occurred, there are alot of lawyers that would jump on a case like that....put up or shut up!!

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