who is pro merger????

who is pro merger????

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poppapump

Waverly, NY

#1 Feb 14, 2011
I am
Sour grapes

Dunkirk, NY

#2 Feb 14, 2011
If you can't save money with a merger and you can't say for sure whether the NYS incentive money is there for the next 15 years why would you be for it?

Would you trust a Mark Sissel, a Difonzo or a Ex Shahill?

Would you trust what the Brocton, Fredonia, Westfield or Ripley BOEs say?

I want the true facts and I don't think we would ever hear the truth. Its a what is in it for me? Which means I can't vote for something I am not sure of.
there

Dunkirk, NY

#3 Feb 15, 2011
Phil Julian
Sour grapes

Dunkirk, NY

#4 Feb 15, 2011
Phil would do a better job then any BOE member I know.
Fed Up

Dunkirk, NY

#5 Feb 15, 2011
When districts merge, a new board of education is elected. This means the community decides who to put on the new board. If you don't agree with a current board member and he/she decides to run for the new board, don't vote for them. Mergers promote new people with new ideas to decide on the new district's direction. The new board will decide the administrative make up of the new district. The new board decides who will be the superintendent. It could be someone who is already there (Ripley/Westfield/Brocton/Fred onia/Chautauqua), or it could be someone new. The new board decides.

Here are the facts of a merger:
1. The new district will reduce unnecessary administrative, teaching, and support staff positions.
2. The incentive aid will be sent to the new district from the state. The district will use a portion of this money to put toward tax stabilization for the next decade.
3. Students will benefit because they get to participate in more academic programs, sports, and activities.
4. Transportation costs are offset by the transportation aid the new district receives.

All of these facts were identified in the centralization study completed by Ripley/Westfield, Brocton/Fredonia, and Mayville/Chautauqua. It seems the real problem is people not believing the answers right in front of them. It may not be what you want to hear, but it is what is right.
there

Dunkirk, NY

#6 Feb 15, 2011
Fed up. You may need to check some facts. In regard to the Westfield/Ripley proposal.....(It is the only one I read) 1. The number of administrators would have increased. There was no indication teaching and staff positions would have been reduced. However, quite a bit was going to have to be spent on "leveling-up" the contracts. 2. With all of the new spending they were going to do...applying "a portion of this money to put toward tax stabilization for the next decade" still meant Westfield was paying more than they would have paid without the merger. Can you imagine what would happen to Westfield's taxes AFTER the incentive money ran out??? I saw the numbers...it was scary. 3. Westfield still has quite a bit going on. I don't think the expense is worth it for Ag. and bowling. 4. The proposal had busses crossing on 20 all day and Ripley double tripping. Savings???? Not all mergers result in saving.
Westfield

Dunkirk, NY

#7 Feb 15, 2011
Fed up > How do you explain that property taxes in Westfield would have gone up if the merger had been approved?

Just because AFTER the merger there is a new BOE doesn't mean that we were not being mislead prior to the merger by the BOEs in place now.

Face it BOEs attract a certain type person and its clear in both Westfield and Ripley we don't have the best people on the board. When someone can't run their own business or goes bankrupt or defaults on their credit cards or on and on they really should not be on a board which is in charge of a 10-15 million dollar budget, they can't balance their own check book.

Also when you see a BOE in Westfield that doesn't take any action against a Superintendent who is caught in a fraud, waste and abuse situation it shows a total disconnect between right and wrong. You can't hold students accountable when the head of the school is a theif.
Fed Up

Dunkirk, NY

#8 Feb 15, 2011
Using your logic, you would have to argue that the original centralizations that created Ripley, Westfield, Brocton, and Fredonia weren't cost effective either. Taking one room schoolhouses and combining them into centralized schools created immediate savings that slowly (over the span of fifty years) ran out their usefulness. Now we have school districts ranging from 300 to 600 students who can't operate efficiently any longer. There will be an immediate savings from reduction of staff and the addition of incentive aid. We will stabilize our area's tax burden for the next decade.

Now let's shine the light on some of your assumptions:
1. Westfield and Ripley saw no savings from staff reductions because the current BOE didn't want to scare their employees. In doing so, they weren't fair to the process. Shame on them. Mayville and Chautauqua had a combined 10 administrative positions before the merger. Chautauqua Lake now has 5.
2. It is the new BOE's responsibility to reduce spending. That is their job. If they're not doing it, don't vote for them. By the way, I hate to think what is going to happen to Westfield's taxes without any incentive money. According to Saturday's presentation at Chautauqua, they are looking at an increase of 21.1%.
3. How many programs can you cut and still provide something for the kids? I don't know what the answer to this is. I do want my children to have something to do other than reading, math, science and social studies.
4. The Ripley/Westfield study was a trainwreck. The BOE's again tried to make everyone happy. It doesn't work this way. You have to do what is right for the students and community. The building configuration was wrong. Everyone knew it, but were afraid to change it.

Finally, we have an honest discussion!
Westfield

Dunkirk, NY

#9 Feb 15, 2011
Fed up I agree. School superintendents are notning more then whore politicians and most of the BOE members know nothing and are too lazy too check on what the superintendent is doing. That is why what happen with Mark Sissel happened, the WACS BOE was lazy and WACS Supt Sissel did what he wanted including abusing his power, waste, fraud and abuse and still the BOE refuses to hold him accountable. I don't even know how they look the guy in the eyes.

On the other hand the public will have the last say on budget votes and continue to make matters known to the rest of the community. Its time the truth got out.
WFD Taxpayer

Dunkirk, NY

#10 Feb 15, 2011
I am against a merger unless you save money, at least 10 percent of the current budget.
Very Concerned Grandma

United States

#11 Feb 15, 2011
What incentive aid? The state is BROKE. The federal government is BROKE. We need to get our heads out of the sand and admit that fact.
Fed Up

Dunkirk, NY

#12 Feb 15, 2011
Cuomo slashed everything except the reorganization incentive aid. In fact, he has also created a committee to study school consolidations. This group is going to look at school district across NYS to see what can be do with schools in serious financial jeopardy. I think Ripley, Westfield, Brocton, and Fredonia all fit this description.
there

Dunkirk, NY

#13 Feb 15, 2011
Sooo fed up are you agreeing with me or just throwing more crap out there or BOTH?????? Just asking.
Eyes Open

Dunkirk, NY

#14 Feb 16, 2011
If a merger can offer my kids a better education than what they are getting right now, then I am for it. I personally don't see that as an end result with a Ripley-Westfield merger.
Fed Up

Dunkirk, NY

#15 Feb 19, 2011
there, some of what you said was right and some of what you said was wrong. My attempt was to explain to you what you were missing. Unlike the local school boards or superintendents, I'm not going to tell you necessarily want to hear. Mergers do save money. Mergers do provide greater opportunities for kids.
4TH WARD

Amsterdam, NY

#16 Feb 25, 2011
wow to even suggest the name pj is to tell me you either have a great sense of humor or you have no idea what it means to be on a boe. I am pro merge in the following circumstance:

1. it be among ripley, westfield and brocton.
2. no present boe member can become a member of a new boe.
3. no present Superintendent can be appointed to the leadership position of a new district
4. one middle school, two high schools within a high school, one offering high technology the other offering career pathways and each community gets an elementary school
5. it has 1 superintendent, 1 elementary principal and 1 assistant 9for 3 schools), 1 middle school principal, it has 1 high school principal and 1 assistant (4 two hs within a school) and it uses boces as the business office.
6. the boe be composed of no more than 7 members
taxed to death

United States

#17 Mar 1, 2011
Me. It would have to provide more opportunities for the kids. Broctons lack of programs and activities is pretty sad.especially when you've seen a differnent schools approach.i dont think a lot of people in brocton know anything different than what they have.
Bulldog

Dunkirk, NY

#18 Mar 1, 2011
It's time to take Ripley, Westfield, Brocton and Fredonia and put them all together. Keep an elementary presence in each community and send the middle and high school kids to the Fredonia school. One business office, one district office, one principal per building. We wouldn't know what to do with all of the opportunities for our kids.
there

Dunkirk, NY

#19 Mar 4, 2011
Fed.
The only savings in the Westfield/Ripley merger was to save Ripley's school and the Ripley taxpayers. Westfield and the rest of New York state were simply to pay up. I am for the concept of merging school districts. I would like to see it done with NO incentive money. I have seen the twinkle in the eyes of teachers and administrators as they dream of how they can spend that extra money. It is a set-up for future increases. If districts can increase program and save money by merging let them merge. No "bonus".
Dean

Pittsburgh, PA

#20 Aug 30, 2011
Make a regional school. Much cheaper!!!@!

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