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Cornbread wrote: If you are rich and especially the President. I would assume one must keep up appearances. Kind of like keeping up with the Jones's, with a large cost. It's not a Personal Image of Obama or any Other President...it's the fact that the President represents the United States, as does every Leader of any Country! What the world thinks of the President and the Image he puts forth, is the Image they will have of our Country as a whole, also!
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Cornbread
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Agreed. That is the reason behind the dinnerware. America, must keep up appearances for other countries.
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Cornbread wrote: Agreed. That is the reason behind the dinnerware. America, must keep up appearances for other countries. The Formal Dinnerware, yes. But, I don't quite see the need for a brand new set of the "Private" dinnerware, other than pure vanity and a sense of Entitlement! But, maybe I'm missing something! I wouldn't have a problem with even that, if the Country was in a better shape financially and blowing a few Hundred Thousand Dollars would never be missed, but like I said , that money adds up and we could use every Penny that been wasted, in the Past, right now! But, congress earmarks it for certain things and you either soend it for that "earmark" or they waste it somewhere else, so there you are!
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Cornbread wrote: <quoted text> I also agree. But it didn't happen till Reagan, became president. So he gets the credit. You're right, Reagan started it all and once anything is started by one President, all the following Presidents will do the same thing!
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davidrickman wrote: Looking to make new friends. Well, come on in. We allow anybody in here and the Ones we don't allow, just shove their way in, anyway. Ask the scud trolls, that's what they've done! If you act up, we just ignore you like you weren't here, intil you get the message and get tired of talking to yourself, and leave! If you like discussing Politics, this is the Thread to do it on!:)
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Cornbread
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The dinnerware is dated to and for each presidency. You must have missed my earlier post. At the risk of being rude I will re post. Even the earliest presidents received government funds to purchase state china. By a special clause in the appropriation bills, "decayed furnishings" could be sold and the proceeds used to buy replacements. Such "furnishings" included state china, and during the 19th century the cupboards were frequently swept clean and the contents carted off to auction. The money could then be used to order a new china service that better suited the president and his family. Can you imagine how much the sale of that dinnerware brings in? It is a pretty penny , you can bet your boots on that. Collectors eat that stuff up.
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Ya'll have a good rest of your evening. Early day tomorrow. Hay cutting time in my neck of the woods.
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Cornbread wrote: The dinnerware is dated to and for each presidency. You must have missed my earlier post. At the risk of being rude I will re post. Even the earliest presidents received government funds to purchase state china. By a special clause in the appropriation bills, "decayed furnishings" could be sold and the proceeds used to buy replacements. Such "furnishings" included state china, and during the 19th century the cupboards were frequently swept clean and the contents carted off to auction. The money could then be used to order a new china service that better suited the president and his family. Can you imagine how much the sale of that dinnerware brings in? It is a pretty penny , you can bet your boots on that. Collectors eat that stuff up. But, the first Link that you put up, said that "Resale" was stopped many years ago and all the Old Dinnerware now has to be destroyed. So, the money to buy new Dinnerware comes solely out of Taxpayer Revenue! Johnson was President in the early 60's and the "resale" was stopped by then, according to your first Link. That's why he smashed it by throwing it at his assistants' pictures!
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Cornbread, here is the copied and pasted content of your first Link, that says all Dinnerware that is replaced has to be "kept or smashed"...now and apparently as early as the Johnson Presidency, even though it doesn't say exactly when the "selling" was stopped , that I remember reading. ----------
Dinner for 140 The ground floor China Room is where the White House collection of china is kept. Even the earliest presidents received government funds to purchase state china. However, by a special clause in the appropriation bills, "decayed furnishings" could be sold and the proceeds used to buy replacements. Such "furnishings" included state china, and during the 19th century the cupboards were frequently swept clean and the contents carted off to auction. The money could then be used to order a new china service that better suited the president and his family.
Even into the 20th century, White House china was often given away if it was chipped or broken. Later, Congress passed a law that required that all presidential china be kept or destroyed. When new dessert plates for the Johnson administration turned out badly, the White House staff smashed it against a basement wall painted with caricatures of the president's assistants.
Today, nearly all presidents are represented in the china collection one way or another. And full services suitable for state dinners exist for the B Harrison, Wilson, FD Roosevelt, Truman, L Johnson, Reagan, and Clinton sets, although the older sets are much smaller than the newer ones and cannot be used for the largest events. Replacement pieces are occasionally ordered for these, as pieces become chipped or broken.
Wilson — 120 settings FD Roosevelt — 120 settings Truman — 120 settings L Johnson — 216 settings Reagan — 220 settings Clinton — 300 settings Bush — 320 setting formal set, 75 setting informal set
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Oops, it says that Johnson smashed the new desset plates that turned out badly, not the old set of Dinnerware. But, the 20th Century that Congress changed the law that it refers to, would have been sometime between 1950 and 2005, most likely sometime from 1950 until 2000, although it could have been as late as 2005.
I would really like to know why Congress changed the Law because you are right, People would pay alot of money for some pieces of the white House China, particularly from a President's Administration that they admired. I, myself, would love to have a few pieces...one place setting or a cup, saucer, Tea or Coffee Server, Sugar and Creamer, any of those or all of those, from one of our more significant Presidencies. But heck, I'm not choosy, I'd take them from any Presidency! LOL!
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Gomer
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Really that is true. I know I would like to have a piece.
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Gomer wrote: Really that is true. I know I would like to have a piece. Dinnerware, Gomer, we're talking Dinnerware! Lol!
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Dunlapian
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Now PM Netanyahu is druming up support just before our pesidential elections on NBC's Meet The Press and CNN's State Od The Union for us to use our military for his own purpose. I have never ever seen any foreigner get so much attention, I mean he goes before Congress anytime he wants, he is on the morning talk show's all to use American blood and money for his own personal gain. He know's if Iran get the bomb, he will no longer have an edge on the Middle East issue. You see if Iran get's the bomb Netanyahu know's he two countries will be in a state of M.A.D. The blood letting in the Middle East will stop.
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Netanyahu is trying to elect his buddy Mitt. He knows based on the Rhetoric coming from the Romney campaign, Mitt will be more willing to start a war with Iran for him, than Obama will. Normally members of both parties would roundly condemn such action by a foreign leader, but not in this case. We have provided Isreal with the most modern weapons, planes, helicopters, and turned our heads as they developed a nuclear capacity. If they wish to start a war over another soverign country doing what they did, I say let them.....ALONE. We have held their hand long enough, and this is our thanks.....if they think things are icy now, what is it going to be like if Obama is reelected ? Bibi has made his bed and this election MIGHT get him a strange bedfellow ! Chuckles !!
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Overtaxed wrote: Netanyahu is trying to elect his buddy Mitt. He knows based on the Rhetoric coming from the Romney campaign, Mitt will be more willing to start a war with Iran for him, than Obama will. Normally members of both parties would roundly condemn such action by a foreign leader, but not in this case. We have provided Isreal with the most modern weapons, planes, helicopters, and turned our heads as they developed a nuclear capacity. If they wish to start a war over another soverign country doing what they did, I say let them.....ALONE. We have held their hand long enough, and this is our thanks.....if they think things are icy now, what is it going to be like if Obama is reelected ? Bibi has made his bed and this election MIGHT get him a strange bedfellow ! Chuckles !! Thats not biblical OT. You had better red-neckocognize
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worried crispy critter
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Someone is reading his bible... My work here is done.
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Hey, I have an idea. How about we drop the Dudes off, that the Iranians want, at the nearest Iranian Airport, in exchange for them ceasing and desisting from developing their Nuclear capabilities! Sounds like a Plan to me! ---------- "Iran Will Pursue Makers Of Anti-slam Film: Vice President." Click here: http://news.yahoo.com/iran-pursue-makers-anti...
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We could throw in Ole "BiBi", too, just as a sign of good faith!
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