Abortion doctor wants to join Planned...

Abortion doctor wants to join Planned Parenthood suit against Missouri

There are 39 comments on the Kansas City Star story from Aug 30, 2007, titled Abortion doctor wants to join Planned Parenthood suit against Missouri. In it, Kansas City Star reports that:

A St. Louis-area physician has filed to join a federal lawsuit that seeks to ban the state from enforcing a new law regulating abortion clinics.

Allen Palmer, who operates a private abortion facility in Bridgeton, Mo., will appear in federal court Friday morning, asking that a restraining order issued earlier this week also apply to his clinic, Women's Care Gynecology, Inc.

Earlier this month, Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri sued the state, saying the new regulations would place an 'undue burden' on women seeking abortions. The law would require abortion clinics to meet the requirements of an ambulatory surgical care facility. Read more

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Since: Jul 07

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Sep 5, 2007
I don't understand these arguments. An ambulatory care facility has only minimium requirements related to treatment and staffing. Sure it is cheaper to perform abortions without these requirements, but it certainly is not safer. Anyone concerned with the woman's health cannot justifiably be opposed to these restrictions.

Lisa Krempasky
John

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Sep 12, 2007
I agree with Lisa on this one, but I am against the clinics, period. Children should be allowed to be born once they are. If planed parenthood wants to do something of any sense, they should get behind the adoption of these unwanted children instead of killing them before they can "ruin" a woman's life. They started down the road to ruin when they agreed to sex. The one's who are the victims of incest or rape should be as merciful as the perpetrator was savage. Two wrongs do not make a right. The right thing to do is adoption. Families now are going overseas to adopt so I see no reason they would not take these young victims as well. We did. And we are blessed because of it. Our son is now 24 years old and though not an Einstein, he is smart enough to make his own decisions and has emotions to spare. He loves almost everyone and is thinking of starting his own family now. God forgive these doctors that abort, kill, unwanted children. To date the total of abortions in this country alone is more than the amount of illegal aliens living here so there is room for them, too. God be with you whatever your decision.
Melissa

Saint Peters, MO

#3 Sep 17, 2007
I agree with John. Abortion is definatly an evil in our nation. Bound 4 LIFE St. Louis is going to be hosting a silent siege at this Bridgeton clinic this Saturday, Sept. 22. A silent siege is not a protest, but rather it is a silent prayer meeting. We stand in silence with red tape over our mouths with the word life written on it. We petition the courts of heaven for those that have yet to be born, and ask God for mercy and to end abortion in our land. If you want to pray in silence and stand in support of those that are yet to be born, feel free to come join us! We will be there from 1pm-3pm.
Sue

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Sep 17, 2007
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
I don't understand these arguments. An ambulatory care facility has only minimium requirements related to treatment and staffing. Sure it is cheaper to perform abortions without these requirements, but it certainly is not safer. Anyone concerned with the woman's health cannot justifiably be opposed to these restrictions.
Lisa Krempasky
Lisa unfortunately the so-called prochoicers aren't really concerned about women and their safety.

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#5 Sep 17, 2007
Pro-Choice is smart enough to know that this is just a dishonest, back door way to limit the choices of women.

The only people that have no concern for the safety and well being of women are the anti-choicers who seek to demonize and attack women who do not agree with their own narrow minded, self serving OPINIONS!

This is AMERICA and no one has to comply with your religious agenda or opinions.
Dewhickey

Falling Waters, WV

#6 Sep 17, 2007
Sue wrote:
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Lisa unfortunately the so-called prochoicers aren't really concerned about women and their safety.
Right. As if you are.

“It's about freedom of choice.”

Since: Jun 07

Mannasas Va.

#7 Sep 17, 2007
chickypoo wrote:
Pro-Choice is smart enough to know that this is just a dishonest, back door way to limit the choices of women.
The only people that have no concern for the safety and well being of women are the anti-choicers who seek to demonize and attack women who do not agree with their own narrow minded, self serving OPINIONS!
This is AMERICA and no one has to comply with your religious agenda or opinions.
How right you are CP.
Sue

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Sep 18, 2007
Dewhickey wrote:
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Right. As if you are.
I am and I care about their unborn too.
antiabortion

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Sep 19, 2007
Anyone who supports abortion in anyway should just go straight to hell. You dont deserve a choice if your stupid enough to beleive abortion isnt murder.

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#10 Sep 20, 2007
antiabortion wrote:
Anyone who supports abortion in anyway should just go straight to hell. You dont deserve a choice if your stupid enough to beleive abortion isnt murder.
You're stoopid.

Since: Jul 07

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Sep 25, 2007
chickypoo wrote:
Pro-Choice is smart enough to know that this is just a dishonest, back door way to limit the choices of women.
The only people that have no concern for the safety and well being of women are the anti-choicers who seek to demonize and attack women who do not agree with their own narrow minded, self serving OPINIONS!
This is AMERICA and no one has to comply with your religious agenda or opinions.
How can you possibly say it is a backdoor way to limit choice? You are supposedly for protecting the health of the mother yet you think there does not even need to be someone on site to protect that life. Does not make any sense at all. To me that is a narrow minded, self-serving opinion.

Lisa Krempasky

“Put prevention first!”

Since: Dec 06

StL

#12 Sep 25, 2007
The clinic in Bridgeton is not an abortion clinic. Its a health clinic that sometimes performs abortions. Most of its medical care is NOT abortion-related. There are two abortion clinics in the St. Louis area- that is all that they do. The Bridgeton clinic is not one of them.

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#13 Sep 25, 2007
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you possibly say it is a backdoor way to limit choice? You are supposedly for protecting the health of the mother yet you think there does not even need to be someone on site to protect that life. Does not make any sense at all. To me that is a narrow minded, self-serving opinion.
Lisa Krempasky
To me, what you said, sounds just plain stupid.

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about. Theses are health clinics and Doctors offices, they are FULL of people that protect the life of the woman. Doctors, nurses, PA's etc.

Do you think it is being run by tractor mechanics and barge captains? Helloooo.....

Please do not try to justify what the GOVERNMENT is doing here by pretending this has ANYTHING to do with protecting a woman's health in a WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINIC. It is a backdoor attempt to run clinics AND doctors offices that perform abortions, out of business.
John

United States

#14 Sep 25, 2007
Noone I know wants to run abortion clinics underground, they want what is best for all, including the baby that is being killed for what?
So a young girl won't have to live up to her decisions?
So a woman can have unprotected sex because it "just isn't natural"?
So we can justify all the illegal aliens?
Why are we killing the future of this country? Is it because it is cheaper to import people than to imbed our biases into new ones or that the price of education is so high?.
I don't know how this ever got started in the first place and have not a clue as to why women who are for the killing of innocents are the ones primarily against a war that does the same thing, only the soldiers get a chance to fight back. If the baby was concieved with an AK-47 in it's hands would there be so many doctors that would stick their hands and head sooooo close to the muzzle? I think not. This is just a way to control the population and to make the choice easier to do. It's as simple as that. Women, some women, want to have their cake and eat it too but they can't have it both ways. There has to be another way to do justice to both without killing. There has to be.
Can noone find it in their heart to love? Where have we gone, this country that is land of the free and the home of the brave? Is it in the hands of our congress or courts or in the hearts of our people. If we allow the former to rule us, then we will be nothing but numbers and that is not what we are. We breath, laugh, live, cry, and all the other things that humans do, including make mistakes. Why let that one mistake lead to our demise? Or worse make us killers of the innocent, Pro-Choice seems akin to pro-murder. Like I said, I found adoption to work for one child. If every married couple did the same, this would not be an issue.

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#15 Sep 25, 2007
John wrote:
Noone I know wants to run abortion clinics underground, they want what is best for all, including the baby that is being killed for what?
So a young girl won't have to live up to her decisions?
So a woman can have unprotected sex because it "just isn't natural"?
So we can justify all the illegal aliens?
Say WHAT??? Illegal ALIENS? Ok now you folks are getting down right IDIOTIC!
John wrote:
Why are we killing the future of this country? Is it because it is cheaper to import people than to imbed our biases into new ones or that the price of education is so high?.
Whaaaat the heck are you talking about? Wait I am sure the rest of this post will tie it all together......
John wrote:
I don't know how this ever got started in the first place and have not a clue as to why women who are for the killing of innocents ?.
Well here, get a clue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abort...
John wrote:
are the ones primarily against a war that does the same thing, only the soldiers get a chance to fight back. If the baby was conceived with an AK-47 in it's hands would there be so many doctors that would stick their hands and head sooooo close to the muzzle? I think not.
Huuuhhhh????? Curiouser and curiouser.
John wrote:
This is just a way to control the population and to make the choice easier to do. It's as simple as that. Women, some women, want to have their cake and eat it too but they can't have it both ways.
Um yeah they can. They can have sex, get pregnant, have an abortion without ANY in put from you or anyone else. Imagine!
John wrote:
There has to be another way to do justice to both without killing. There has to be.
OK come up with a birth control method that is safe and 100% effective and teach all the men and women that are sexually active how to use it.
John wrote:
Can noone find it in their heart to love?
Are you suggesting that women that have abortions do not love? What if they already have children? What if they go on to have children later? Does it mean that those children won't be loved because their mother had an abortion??
John wrote:
Where have we gone, this country that is land of the free and the home of the brave? Is it in the hands of our congress or courts or in the hearts of our people. If we allow the former to rule us, then we will be nothing but numbers and that is not what we are.
Who is "we". There is no "we" involved in abortion. Just the woman making the decision and whom ever she chooses to involve.
No the congress must not be allowed to rule us. THAT is why abortion is LEGAL and the woman gets to make her own decisions.
John wrote:
We breath, laugh, live, cry, and all the other things that humans do, including make mistakes. Why let that one mistake lead to our demise?
What mistake and demise are you speaking of? Abortion has been around since birth began and I have not noticed a population shortage. Have you?

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#16 Sep 25, 2007
John wrote:
Or worse make us killers of the innocent, Pro-Choice seems akin to pro-murder. Like I said, I found adoption to work for one child. If every married couple did the same, this would not be an issue.
Abortion is not murder. Pro-Choice advocates that women make their own choices. THAT is American!
A fetus is located INSIDE of a woman and the only way for a married couple to adopt it would be if the woman decided to give up her own life for 9 months and incubate it for someone else. If she doesn't want to, she doesn't have to and this will still be an issue.
BTW, if all married couples wanted to adopt, all of those kids in foster care and orphanages world wide might have homes. But they don't do they??
But the law was found to be unconstitutional. A victory for ALL women!
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/289253.ht...

Since: Jul 07

Saint Louis, MO

#17 Sep 26, 2007
chickypoo wrote:
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Abortion is not murder. Pro-Choice advocates that women make their own choices. THAT is American!
A fetus is located INSIDE of a woman and the only way for a married couple to adopt it would be if the woman decided to give up her own life for 9 months and incubate it for someone else. If she doesn't want to, she doesn't have to and this will still be an issue.
BTW, if all married couples wanted to adopt, all of those kids in foster care and orphanages world wide might have homes. But they don't do they??
But the law was found to be unconstitutional. A victory for ALL women!
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/289253.ht...
I do not consider this a victory for women at all. It is a loss for ALL humanity.

I do not remotely by the "it's my body" argument. It being ones body does not abdicate social responsibility. It being ones body does not mean there should be no restraints. It being ones body does not mean that you can just kill a baby.

Lisa Krempasky

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#18 Sep 26, 2007
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not consider this a victory for women at all. It is a loss for ALL humanity.
I do not remotely by the "it's my body" argument. It being ones body does not abdicate social responsibility. It being ones body does not mean there should be no restraints. It being ones body does not mean that you can just kill a baby.
Lisa Krempasky
You are right. Anyone killing a baby will probably go to jail. Killing a baby is illegal.

Abortion has nothing to do with baby killing. Abortion is a responsible choice for any woman that finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy.

Your approval is not required and no one cares what you buy. If you do not approve of abortion, don't have one. THAT would br YOUR choice.

Since: Jul 07

Saint Louis, MO

#19 Sep 26, 2007
No, I am wrong. Killing babies is absolutely legal and even touted as a wise choice. People do it every day and do not go to jail.

Abortion has everything to do with baby killing. Abortion is determining one life is more valuable than another. Abortion is not a responsible choice for the baby who has no voice. It is not even a responsible choice for the women who will be haunted by it for years. You can say the unborn child is not life as many times as you want, but that does not make it true.

Your argument is illogical and quaint. You try to silence my voice because you do not agree with it, yet demand I agree with yours. Is it not my right to choose to believe you are utterly wrong and selfish for your views. If you don't like my views, don't believe them. That would be your choice....but you would be wrong.

Lisa Krempasky

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#20 Sep 26, 2007
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
No, I am wrong.
Correct, you are wrong.
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
Killing babies is absolutely legal and even touted as a wise choice. People do it every day and do not go to jail.
Wow, you poor misinformed thing. Baby killing IS illegal. Look it up. If you see ANYONE killing a baby dial 9-1-1 right away and the police will come arrest them. REALLY! Its true!
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
Abortion has everything to do with baby killing.
No, it doesn't. Abortion happens before birth. Babies happen AFTER birth. No wonder you are so confused. You do not know the difference between an unwanted fetus and a wanted BABY!
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
Abortion is determining one life is more valuable than another.
No. Abortion ends an unwanted pregnancy. A born woman's life is the only life involved.
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
Abortion is not a responsible choice for the baby who has no voice.
There is no baby involved in abortion. What is with the retarded "fetuses have no voice" crap? You are right, fetuses have no voice they have no vocal cords, no throat, no breath, no brain, no lungs, none of the things that are required to have a voice. DUH!
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
It is not even a responsible choice for the women who will be haunted by it for years.
You wish! It IS a responsible choice. FACT is most women that have abortions also have no regrets. Of course you do not care about THOSE women, do you?
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
You can say the unborn child is not life as many times as you want, but that does not make it true.
Actually it is true. Read and learn:

"The integrated physiological view: This view sees human life as beginning when an individual has become independent of the mother and has its own functioning circulatory system, alimentary system, and respiratory system. This is the traditional birthday when the baby is born into the world and the umbilical cord is cut."
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
Your argument is illogical and quaint.
That's funny. What was YOUR argument again??? SO far it sounds much like a babbling OPINION!
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
You try to silence my voice because you do not agree with it, yet demand I agree with yours.
I couldn't possibly care less about your voice. Stop being such a drama queen. Where did I "demand" you agree with MY opinion or try to "silence" you? Stop telling lies, fibber.

I am for CHOICE. Birth, Abortion or Adoption.

YOU are the only one that wants to force others to agree with YOU, by ending abortion. YOU want to silence the voices of Pro-CHOICE and the women who WANT abortions.

HYPOCRIT!
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
Is it not my right to choose to believe you are utterly wrong and selfish for your views.
Hey you have the right to be as ignorant as you wanna be!
Lisa Krempasky wrote:
If you don't like my views, don't believe them.[QUOTE who="Lisa Krempasky"]

Don't worry, I don't.

[QUOTE who="Lisa Krempasky"]
That would be your choice....but you would be wrong.
Lisa Krempasky
And THAT would be your OPINION.

I prefer the truth and reality. But thats just me.

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