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Asking YOU! Is it possible to be Gay and a Christian?

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“Change is GOOD”

Since: May 08

Briceville,TN

#1 May 30, 2008
What do you think?
ETNMOM

Dickson, TN

#2 Jun 1, 2008
According to God's word no.
els

Maryville, TN

#3 Jun 2, 2008
Yes, you can be a Christian and be gay. God hates the sin but loves the sinner. However, let me be clear in that I don't think that this "gay" person should be out and proud and all that. I think that they should not act upon these tendencies.

“Change is GOOD”

Since: May 08

Briceville,TN

#4 Jun 2, 2008
So what you're saying 'els' is that a christian is sinner and saint? Just trying to see where you're coming from? I want everybody's viewpoint! ty!

“Change is GOOD”

Since: May 08

Briceville,TN

#5 Jun 2, 2008
And...I agree, God does hate sin and Loves the sinner. Do you think that the 'gay' person should be told of wrath to come like some people believe?
YEP

Fort Campbell, TN

#6 Jun 2, 2008
Touchy subject...I for one see being gay as wrong,but then again God loves everyone not for me nor anyone else to judge as that too is wrong. Just like in church some not so much accept the person as being gay but the preachers do as they were called to do as christians and "teach" not judge, so I guess its all up to the gay person as to if they feel in their hearts that ,that is the life to lead and that theres no wrong in it(as a christian) then they will have to as we all will stand and be judged for ourselves!
YEP

Fort Campbell, TN

#7 Jun 2, 2008
ProudDaniels wrote:
And...I agree, God does hate sin and Loves the sinner. Do you think that the 'gay' person should be told of wrath to come like
some people believe?
oops, forgot to comment on this in last post....we are all or have been taught of the wrath to come, it is not only preached to the "gays", it is a part of the Bible and EVERYONE should hear it, now Im sure some take offense to it homosexuals that is, if they no wrong in the way they live then it shouldnt bother them should it?

“Change is GOOD”

Since: May 08

Briceville,TN

#8 Jun 2, 2008
Wow...what insight! I appreciate your post 'yep!
earl

United States

#9 Aug 17, 2008
if a gay repentd his
sin. then tha can become a christion.you cant live in sin.if you no its a sin.if that was the case.one could do anything go sleep with your nabours wife god hates that but he loves me.its ok.im christion.that wont work in my opu.

“Life is a Highway!!”

Since: Aug 07

Briceville

#10 Aug 17, 2008
Homosexuality is a sin just as stealing or lieing, all sin is equal it will all be judged the same when we see judgement day.
Murdock

United States

#11 Aug 18, 2008
I think you phrased it wrong. You should ask is it possible to be a Sinner and be a Christian.

And the answer according to the Bible is YES. Just because you are a Christian does not mean you stop sinning. Some people will still struggle with certain sins but Jesus has washed them all away and has paid for all sin there is no sin greater than the other.

So again the answer according to the bible is Yes, but you if you contuine in it you would nto be very happy.

Since: Jul 08

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#12 Aug 18, 2008
Seeings how I'm a non-believer, I won't argue over doctrine.
But the bible is perfectly clear that, as ya'll's fellow christian Fred Phelps puts it, God Hates Fags. So I don't understand how an openly gay person could call themselves a christian... but many do.
But here's what strikes me as odd. It's my understanding that according to most modern protestant doctrine, all sins are pretty much equal- at least they'll all net you the same result. So considering that the vast majority of christians that I've known have committed some for of adultery (and many do this regularly)... the focus on gays seems a bit hypocritical.
But not surprising.
Murdock

United States

#13 Aug 18, 2008
Rank Stranger wrote:
Seeings how I'm a non-believer, I won't argue over doctrine.
But the bible is perfectly clear that, as ya'll's fellow christian Fred Phelps puts it, God Hates Fags. So I don't understand how an openly gay person could call themselves a christian... but many do.
But here's what strikes me as odd. It's my understanding that according to most modern protestant doctrine, all sins are pretty much equal- at least they'll all net you the same result. So considering that the vast majority of christians that I've known have committed some for of adultery (and many do this regularly)... the focus on gays seems a bit hypocritical.
But not surprising.
Rank Stranger wrote:
Seeings how I'm a non-believer, I won't argue over doctrine.
But the bible is perfectly clear that, as ya'll's fellow christian Fred Phelps puts it, God Hates Fags. So I don't understand how an openly gay person could call themselves a christian... but many do.
But here's what strikes me as odd. It's my understanding that according to most modern protestant doctrine, all sins are pretty much equal- at least they'll all net you the same result. So considering that the vast majority of christians that I've known have committed some for of adultery (and many do this regularly)... the focus on gays seems a bit hypocritical.
But not surprising.
Here's a good article:
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f019.h...

Please provide a Chapter and verse where the Bible states that God hates homosexuals?

A lot of people call themselves Christians but that does not mean they are christians. Below is a desciption of what a Christian is:

Romans ch 10:9Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.

11The Scripture says, No man who believes in Him [who adheres to, relies on, and trusts in Him] will [ever] be put to shame or be disappointed.(D)

You are correct all sins are equal in God's eyes.

But for the government of man there are certain things that affect people more than others. Such as Rape it affects a person for the rest of their life while stealing would not necessarily be as long lasting affect.

The Homosexualy lifestyle is self destructive and should not be taught to children at a young age to try to influence them. Most of the time we find out that there was some abuse in their childhood that cause them to turn to homosexuality by a male or female authority figure. I still believe that a person has to choose to be Homosexual because it would have been breed out a long time ago.

It's a shame that Traditions in churches are more important than the Word of God itself. Just because pastor so and so said it does not make it true always and I means always check what they are teaching using the Bible as the Standard.

So people will take things way out of Context to misguide you.
Rank Stranger

Salina, KS

#14 Aug 18, 2008
Murdock, if I believed that there were "true" christians, then you'd be at the top of my list. But there are thousands of different denominations & sects of Christianity- each of them claims to be the "true" christians... and they all disagree with each other. What are the odds that you (or anybody else) picked the right one?

Answer: your odds are one among thousands.

Let's not rehash our last debate. We both know the bible pretty well... and we'll just end up arguing page after page over what this or that verse means. You know the verses as well as I do... and you know what site I'd link to if you really need a list.

I think we can agree that in the bible, God killed lots of homosexuals, specifically said that they OUGHT to be killed, and called them abominations. You might not want to call that "hate", but it's close enough to me. And it's close enough for that Baptist preacher Fred Phelps.

When practiced among consenting adults, homosex doesn't hurt anybody (except possible THOSE consenting adults... in which case it's THEIR business).

But my point about adultery is that I've met dozens and dozens of professing christians who brag about sleeping around with this and that gal... others who had sex before getting married... and still others who have eyes. According to the bible, they're ALL guilty of adultery. I hear nary a mention of this from your average Christian... and yet ya'll harp on gays every single day.

Personally, I think that gays are an easy and unpopular target. It's real easy to point them out, beat that bible, and stir up a little hate.

But what was it that Jesus said about a splinter in your eye?
Rank Stranger

Salina, KS

#15 Aug 18, 2008
Speaking of eyes:

Best I can tell, any Christian man who has eyes does not take Jesus seriously.

Note that these words oughtta be red- but this message board format doesn't support it:

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Seems like every christian man I've met has eyes.
Rank Stranger

Salina, KS

#16 Aug 18, 2008
Murdock wrote:
I still believe that a person has to choose to be Homosexual because it would have been breed out a long time ago.
Oh, so now you believe in evolution.

Consider this. If homosexuality is a choice- then could you choose it?

I think we can both agree that a gay man WANTS to have buttsecks with another man... I reckon that's a pretty fair test for determining whether a man is or is not gay.

So, seeings how being gay is a choice... could you just choose to WANT to have buttsecks with a man? Can you just decide that you'll suddenly find that appealing?

I'm gonna guess that the answer here is "no".

So what makes you different from a gay man? Why are they able to "choose" this attraction, but you can't?
Murdock

United States

#17 Aug 18, 2008
Rank Stranger wrote:
Murdock, if I believed that ........
Rank thou many people disagree if at the Core they believe Romans 10 than they are christian. You see the Bible tells us what a christian is and is not.
You see Rank you are not reading it you are just finding bits and piece and not seeing it in context. God said if their are any Homosexuals in the tribes of Israel than they had two choices stop or be put to death. In which case if they had believed in the coming messiah than they would go to heaven if not than they choose seperation from God. But God could tell and if you read it in context that sexual immorality lead to many other dangerous acts because it is a self destructive lifestyle. God did not want this influence in a nation.
If two homosexuals want to go at it can't stop them I may advise them but not kill them. I would not support them either in their actions, but I don't want them to be trying to influence my children. By saying a lifestyle is ok when it is self destructive and there is data to back it up yet everyone wants to turn a blind eye.
As far as Evolution well Evolutionist have changed it's meaning to mean change instead of it's orginal meaning of " an advancement" which is the true definition of Evolution to evolve means to get better but there was no proff in the Scientific world that things were improving so they changed the meaning and now it means simplely "change".
Now how does Homosexuality improve the Human population. Oh that's right it does not because they can not contribute to it's growth with out a male and female there will be no babies.
As far as sex before marriage hey I was one of those people who had sex before they were married and I was wrong for it. I had to struggle with with my actions as well. I married her but instead of building the relationship first I had to work on it while raising a child which puts a big strain on a marriage. But we stuck it out.
As far as Gays being an easy target many people think Christians are an easy target as well and threat them as bad or worse.
What I don't understand is it is not ok for a Christian to simpley say "Homosexuality is a Sin" and be called intolerant and a hate monger and yet it is Ok for Homosexuals to dress up like Jesus and the Disciples at the last supper in S&M outfits and Christians are suppose to not be offended and be tolerant.
Murdock

United States

#18 Aug 18, 2008
Rank Stranger wrote:
Speaking of eyes:
Best I can tell, any Christian man who has eyes does not take Jesus seriously.
Note that these words oughtta be red- but this message board format doesn't support it:
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Seems like every christian man I've met has eyes.
If every Christian man listens to what Jesus said he would have eyes but would becareful at what he watches.

This is an Example of people taking things out of Context to belittle Christians. You see the Bible is clear as to what is to be taken literal and what is not as long as you read it in context.
Murdock

United States

#19 Aug 18, 2008
Rank Stranger wrote:
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Oh, so now you believe in evolution.
Consider this. If homosexuality is a choice- then could you choose it?
I think we can both agree that a gay man WANTS to have buttsecks with another man... I reckon that's a pretty fair test for determining whether a man is or is not gay.
So, seeings how being gay is a choice... could you just choose to WANT to have buttsecks with a man? Can you just decide that you'll suddenly find that appealing?
I'm gonna guess that the answer here is "no".
So what makes you different from a gay man? Why are they able to "choose" this attraction, but you can't?
As I stated in a previous post on Evolution the gene could not be past on if the person is born gay they would not breed.

Everyone could choose it just like everyone can choose too do something wrong. It is just like with drugs you start off small and before you knwo it you are into some heavy stuff never thinking you would have went that far. The same thing goes toward sexual sins you start off small and then you get more and more involved and pretty soon you are open to everything that is why the bible tells you to Gaurd your heart because once you start going do a rod sometimes the road starts to control you.

You can choose to do anything you want. When I was growing up no one every thought I would be the one to get the girl pregnant out of wedlock yet I choose to allow it to happen. We all have choices to make in this life and Eternity.
Murdock

United States

#20 Aug 18, 2008
Romans 3:23 Since all have sinned and are falling short of the honor and glory [b]which God bestows and receives.

Romans 10:13For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved.(E)

Salvation is for everyone no matter what they have done. It is there Choice to make. The only thing that will keep you out of Heaven is rejecting God's free gift of Salvation.

Matt 12: 31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy (every evil, abusive,[n]injurious speaking, or indignity against sacred things) can be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the [Holy] Spirit shall not and [o]cannot be forgiven.

From the Message Bible: Matt 12:31-32"There's nothing done or said that can't be forgiven. But if you deliberately persist in your slanders against God's Spirit, you are repudiating the very One who forgives. If you reject the Son of Man out of some misunderstanding, the Holy Spirit can forgive you, but when you reject the Holy Spirit, you're sawing off the branch on which you're sitting, severing by your own perversity all connection with the One who forgives.

In the end only your choice can seperate you from God. Your sins have already been bought and paid for you have already been forgiven.The question is will you accept the receipt of payment or tear it up?

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