Hispanic rights group cautions Carmel

May 2, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Journal News

A New York City civil rights group says that if Carmel institutes a Trespass Affidavit Program with plans to arrest people who assemble on sidewalks, its lawyers will take the town to court.

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1 - 14 of 14 Comments Last updated Sep 22, 2009
Nancy

Brewster, NY

#1 May 14, 2009
I was taken by the intense hostility reflected in the comments about "illegals." I agree that something needs to be done in order to address the problem of undocumented workers. In reality,
many of the families who emigrate here illegally
do pay their share of payroll taxes -- albeit through the use of falsified social security numbers.
The fact is, these undocumented have rights -- as they should. This IS the US after all. They DO contribute to our society in ways that many of take for granted. How may of you eat in a restaurant? Do you really believe everyone there is documented?
America's landscape is changing and no amount of vitriole will prevent it. Within 10 years, there will be more Spanish speaking Americans in this country than any other ethnic group. Get used to it!!
Black face

Southbury, CT

#2 Jul 14, 2009
So nancy you wake up and find a nice family of four camped in your backyard. They are tapped into your power. Well the U. S A. Is your back yard. Don't be a hippocrit you would call the cops and have them removed. All illegal aliens should be removed from our country without any hesitation. Don't forget we had plenty of restaurants fast food joints cleaning co well before we had illegals. They won't go away if the illegals are gone. Our economy would be much stronger if the illegals were gone. App. 1,000,000 jobs up for grabs.
Black face

Southbury, CT

#3 Jul 14, 2009
One more thing
If we let all the Nazis in we would be speaking german.
suzy

West Milford, NJ

#4 Jul 27, 2009
I was taken by the intense hostility reflected in the comments about "illegals." I agree that something needs to be done in order to address the problem of undocumented workers. In reality,
many of the families who emigrate here illegally
do pay their share of payroll taxes -- albeit through the use of falsified social security numbers.
The fact is, these undocumented have rights -- as they should. This IS the US after all. They DO contribute to our society in ways that many of take for granted. How may of you eat in a restaurant? Do you really believe everyone there is documented?
America's landscape is changing and no amount of vitriole will prevent it. Within 10 years, there will be more Spanish speaking Americans in this country than any other ethnic group. Get used to it!I agree. Sit on your lazy but and watch them take over our jobs. And keep buying your junk from China. Nancy eat your Nissan or Toyota, the job you save could be your own. Let your kids to grow up to be lazy.
suzy

West Milford, NJ

#5 Jul 27, 2009
Nancy let your kids grow up to be lazy Honda drivers that buy their stuff from China and let the Mexicans do their jobs.
Richie

Holmes, NY

#6 Aug 11, 2009
Dear Nancy,

I am Master Sergent in the NYANG. I have been to Iraq twice. I have done Work at the border of San Diego.

I am wondering why you would support "ILLEGAL" imagrants?

Since you do support the people who break into our country & support them. I would like you to support me. I will break in & live in your backyard. I hope you know while living in your back yard of residence. I would want you to support me. I want my healthcare payed for,my meals at a reasonable hour, I do expect you now to pay for my kids that are born in your backyard. They will become automatic citizens of America & now your family, etc.

If I was to do any of this to your place of residence (in which "I NEVER WOULD" because) it would be "ILLEGALL"!!!!

DO you still support "ILLEGALL" aliens? The above mentioned is the same exact thing. Only on a more local level.
denis

Mahopac, NY

#7 Aug 13, 2009
I'm really interested in how you propose to arrest some 11 million people. Maybe recall our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan?

Seriously, Nancy is right. These people do far less harm to our country than Wall Street and out-of-control companies. And most of them pay taxes and do real work -- they are not here to sponge.

I wish the government could, for one season, actually stop all these workers from working.

No agricultural workers -- you actually believe unemployed Americans are going to relocate to farms to take these jobs? Enjoy $22 tomatoes and $35 lettuce while you're at it.

Our local contractors will be up in arms when their highly efficient and inexpensive workforce disappears. Doubling cost of home repairs will work well also in a recession.

Ditto for gardening and lawn service, office cleaning.

Face it, these people are part of our economy, performing vital services. They are a gain for us and a loss for Mexico and other countries they migrated from. Highly motivated people, eager to work.

Now, if there was just some way we could motivate US-born freeloaders to migrate somewhere ---
Richie

Holmes, NY

#8 Aug 13, 2009
Dennis.
How is Nancy right? The quote. You stated.
"These people do far less harm to our country than Wall Street and out-of-control companies. And most of them pay taxes and do real work -- they are not here to sponge".
Dennis,
1. If there is an "Illegal" person living here in the Brewster & in the Carmel area & they can pay their taxes?.
How can they & how could an "Illegal" person pay taxes???? They don't. They would get tossed out of this country.
2. You state. I quote you.
"No agricultural workers" & this "you actually believe unemployed Americans are going to relocate to farms to take these jobs?"
Dennis, People that have jobs would never take those jobs. However. If these people had no jobs at all. Of course, they would take any job they could find to support their Family. They may hate it. Yet, they would want to support their family. That is what I would do.
Dennis,
I have no idea who you are, your age, your life, your friends, your job, if you have or have not had any college, etc.
I did not volunteer twice to go to Iraq to defend their newly hard found Constitution. The removal of a mass murderer (Saddam Hussein not Pres Bush) & support the war on terror. Only just to watch our Constitution go down the tubes.
Again, I will quote you.
"These people do far less harm to our country than Wall Street and out-of-control companies"
Look up these links.
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-163327.html
http://www.lohud.com/article/20090726/NEWS/90...
Do you still think "These people do far less harm to our country than Wall Street and out-of-control companies"?
Dennis, I am sure you have done your research.
Again. I'll post what I had posted to Nancy. Now I am asking you the very same thing.
"Since you do support the people who break into our country & support them. I would like you to support me. I will break in & live in your backyard. I hope you know while living in your back yard of residence. I would want you to support me. I want my health care payed for,my meals at a reasonable hour, I do expect you now to pay for my kids that are born in your backyard. They will become automatic citizens of America & now your family, etc.
If I was to do any of this. To your place of residence (in which "I NEVER WOULD" because) it would be "ILLEGAL"!!!!
DENNIS? Will you support me? Please answer my 1 simple question.
Will you support the fact. That, If I had broke into your backyard. I will be living on your lawn chair?? Because, If you will support me living in your backyard. Then you will surely agree to have an Illegal alien sit on the same lawn chair that I have & then live in your back yard.
denis

Mahopac, NY

#9 Aug 14, 2009
First of all, illegal immigrants do pay taxes, our government will take money from anyone working, and the IRS does not investigate a person's immigration status.

in fact, The IRS created a nine-digit Individual Tax Identification Number in 1996 for foreigners who donít have Social Security numbers but need to file taxes in the U.S. It is increasingly used by undocumented workers to file taxes, apply for credit, get bank accounts or even buy a home.

There are companies that specialize in mortgages to illegals, who use these ID numbers to apply for mortgages, and they have a significantly better payment record than native-born citizens.

Here's their contribution to Social Security

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05...

Note that they are paying these fees, but are not entitled to any benefits -- a windfall for the US. So your example of a family that moves into my backyard doesn't fit. Most of these people are paying us, and getting nothing but the wages they make -- no benefits. We are not "supporting" them. It's more like these people settle on my property, I pay them nothing, they earn a living somehow and keep my place cleaned up.

The vast majority are law-abiding people. They came here to work, not to sponge.

There are probably illegals who are serving with you in our armed forces, hoping someday to gain citizenship.

And frankly, I don't see unemployed native-born unemployed Americans moving to the remote farming districts of America to work for the very low wages these people earn, living in barracks apart from their families. Unless, of course, our Wall Street friends impoverish us to third-world levels.

What's really needed is a guest worker program where people can register, migrate across the border and get a path to citizenship. But a lot of public hysteria has prevented a sensible bill from passing.

I'd ask you again -- how do you propose to arrest 11 million people? It's too late, they are here. We don't have the forces to find (a separate task) and arrest all these people, in fact.

When it comes to illegality, the Wall Street thieves have just plunged our country into a needless recession, throwing millions of legal and illegal people out of work. THAT's criminality worth doing something about. Drug companies keep prices high and bribe the FDA to let them sell drugs that harm people. They're blocking good healthcare for millions of Americans with their lobbies (professional bribers). They fight effective consumer protection laws. Credit card companies screw people with high fees and interest rates.

There's plenty to be upset about in our country, but this immigration stuff is a distraction -- and the Big Boys on Wall Street and Washington and in those corporate offices hope that people like us will continue to waste our time arguing about Juan rather than focusing on their massive frauds and dishonesty.

You're worried about the Constitution?

Lobbyists bribe our elected officials and actually rewrite legislation -- making our votes meaningless. You're not living in a democracy -- you're living in an oligarchy, run by the rich and well-connected. Juan hasn't sold your birthright for sixty pieces of silver -- your so-called government has.

THAT's what needs fixing.
Economicrefugee

Mount Gilead, NC

#10 Aug 25, 2009
Dennis,
You need to live in the real world, Illegal immigrants are a HUGE problem. I moved from that area and now live in NC and it's a problem here. I went back to Carmel about a year ago and drove through Brewster and was horrified. They destroyed the town, all of the old business were closed and replaced with Bodegas, and laundrymats. The amount of SS does not compare to the amount of kids they put in the schools and DO NOT pay taxes on since most are not home owners. They flood the schools passing the expense on to others, They cause public building like Putnam County Hospital to shell out more money because they are required to have translators on staff for them. There are many of them running drug rings and Stolen car rings in Brewster and Carmel.
I patrolled those streets for years and could see the problems increase every year. They are much more of a drain than a help. The SS money they give is in the billions...so what, how about the bilions they take in free care that we have to pay for, the wrecks and deaths they cause which increases the insurance, come on man get a grip.
No we can't arrest them all, but they need to do what they now do in NC. Any person who is brought into the jail for any charge is screened for their status. If they are illegal they go bye-bye. It's not the greatest answer but it's a start and it needs to be done everywhere.
Since they started coming in that area has changed so much it's heartbreaking. I hated to leave but due to the taxes and overpopulation it was my best move.
pie

Brewster, NY

#11 Aug 26, 2009
legal immigration worked for over 200 years.
illegal means illegal
denis

Mahopac, NY

#12 Aug 27, 2009
The social changes in Brewster are typical of new immigrants, they start new businesses. Where I used to live in New Jersey as a kid is now packed with Indian and Arabic stores. The fact that these flourish means they are working, earning and spending money.

If you just don't like seeing people that are "different' around, well, that's America. Last time I checked, however, the big Mexican restaurant in Mahopac was packed, mostly with local whites. People weren't very happy to see my ancestors when they got off the boat, either, or yours either, probably. Like our ancestors, these new people will Americanize quickly and no doubt will complain about the NEXT wave of immigrants.

Many illegals ARE homeowners and they pay sales taxes in most cases, income taxes in many, many cases in addition to SS. Take a look at this:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/200...

Hospitals are going to need Hispanic translators anyway, since legal immigration from Latin countries is quite significant. And they aren't "flooding" our schools. Check out our local schools and you'll see predominantly white, native born Americans, a few Hispanics, blacks and others. This does happen in some border states -- they need some federal money to help things along.

RE: wrecks. From the headlines I see, drunk and drugged driving, predominantly by local native-born, is a huge local problem. People need to get a grip on their drinking around here. Every so often it's going to be a Hispanic, but check the names on the police blotter.

All of this fuss about illegal immigrants is a big distraction from our REAL problems.

The Wall Street guys just looted the nation, put millions of people out of work, and got rewarded with a government bailout. Ordinary people are left to lose jobs and suffer. Our government is bought and sold, our votes are nullified by lobbyists, we don't live in a democracy, we live in an oligarchy. THAT's a huge problem.

For the Wall Street guys, illegal is good business -- they are laughing at people like us and are happy when we are distracted by things like illegal immigration.

The leading cause of bankruptcy in America is medical bills people can't pay -- because we have a lousy medical system run by and for big insurance companies. THAT is another huge problem.

And if you think the large corporations that really run this country are going to let anyone interfere with the illegals they employ -- I say, with respect, that you are the ones who need to live in the real world.

We all need to wake up and see who and what out real problems are. It's not Juan standing on that corner in Brewster looking for a pick-up job. It's the thoroughly corrupt big business-government game that rules us like those peasants back in Mexico.
Richie

Holmes, NY

#13 Sep 15, 2009
Ok, Dennis. I can not take it anymore. They broke the law. The law is If you do are not her legally. Then you do not belong her. This is not a discussion! It is fact! Abide by the rules I am more than happy for you to be here.
Once again, Dennis. this aplies to you. I will ask this question. I broke into your country. Now. I will live in your back yard. I will live there. I do now need for you support me. So will you actually support me living in your backyard?
sigh

Mahopac, NY

#14 Sep 22, 2009
As I've explained a number of times, your example is not applicable to these immigrants.
They contribute to the US tax base and Social Security funds, so it's more like they live in my backyard and pay me.

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