livermore pd failing to do their job.

livermore pd failing to do their job.

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randall

Pleasanton, CA

#1 Jun 28, 2012
I live off portola close to what used to be the 580 west on ramp. between portola and sunset.

In the last year almost every single car on my street has been broken into, 2 cars have been STOLEN, one car had its window broken, a tow truck has been broken into, my moms car has been broken into 3 times and has had her belongings stolen each time. luckily its only been 2 navigation systems. still ridiculous, but could have been worse, right? Anyway, I have called the LPD 3 times in the past about this and asked to have a patrol put in... 3 SEPERATE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. Each time it seems like they dont really care, but who am I to know if the receptionist cares or not. What I do know are the facts, and the fact of the matter is that I have not seen a cop drive down my street once at night(and I get home pretty late, around 1-3 in the morning) and cars have continuously been broken into. I've given up on asking the police to help keep my neighborhood safe. As I'm sure others in my neighborhood feel, I have to take matters into my own hands. Im not going to allow anyone to steal from my neighborhood anymore.

The police arent doing their job.
blessed4

United States

#2 Jun 28, 2012
randall wrote:
I live off portola close to what used to be the 580 west on ramp. between portola and sunset.

In the last year almost every single car on my street has been broken into, 2 cars have been STOLEN, one car had its window broken, a tow truck has been broken into, my moms car has been broken into 3 times and has had her belongings stolen each time. luckily its only been 2 navigation systems. still ridiculous, but could have been worse, right? Anyway, I have called the LPD 3 times in the past about this and asked to have a patrol put in... 3 SEPERATE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. Each time it seems like they dont really care, but who am I to know if the receptionist cares or not. What I do know are the facts, and the fact of the matter is that I have not seen a cop drive down my street once at night(and I get home pretty late, around 1-3 in the morning) and cars have continuously been broken into. I've given up on asking the police to help keep my neighborhood safe. As I'm sure others in my neighborhood feel, I have to take matters into my own hands. Im not going to allow anyone to steal from my neighborhood anymore.

The police arent doing their job.
May I suggest setting up a neighborhood watch? I don't know if
blessed4

United States

#3 Jun 28, 2012
blessed4 wrote:
<quoted text>May I suggest setting up a neighborhood watch? I don't know if
Supposed to say.. I don't know if you have the time for meetings etc. I'm not sure if it will help or not, but it might. Good luck, nothing worse than having your hard earned items stolen.

Since: Jul 11

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#4 Jun 28, 2012
This is a city wide issue so in reality there's not a whole lot people can do to stop it from taking place. I'd start by making sure your vehicle is locked and discontinue leaving items of value in your vehicle. 90% of these crimes happen in 30 seconds or less and are prompted by a crook seeing something in the vehicle worth stealing.
randall

Pleasanton, CA

#5 Jun 29, 2012
TrueRealist wrote:
This is a city wide issue so in reality there's not a whole lot people can do to stop it from taking place. I'd start by making sure your vehicle is locked and discontinue leaving items of value in your vehicle. 90% of these crimes happen in 30 seconds or less and are prompted by a crook seeing something in the vehicle worth stealing.
i agree with what you're saying, but I seem to remember a lot of police activity, such as police riding with no lights on, sitting in hidden areas, and even patrolling on bikes, through the other side of town when i lived there about 2 years ago. I was even pulled over twice by police when I lived there and came home late at night. There was a lot done to stop thefts in that area, which worked. None of those precautions are being put into effect over here.
Go away

Livermore, CA

#6 Jun 29, 2012
randall wrote:
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i agree with what you're saying, but I seem to remember a lot of police activity, such as police riding with no lights on, sitting in hidden areas, and even patrolling on bikes, through the other side of town when i lived there about 2 years ago. I was even pulled over twice by police when I lived there and came home late at night. There was a lot done to stop thefts in that area, which worked. None of those precautions are being put into effect over here.
From what I understand there are just 2-3 patrol officers on the street at any given time to cover the entire city. That is way too few in my opinion. Driving from one end of town to the other can sometimes take 15+ minutes. So if an officer has to wait for backup to do his/her job crooks are going to get away with thier crime. Livermore needs more officers in the streets.

Since: Jul 11

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#7 Jun 29, 2012
Go away wrote:
<quoted text>From what I understand there are just 2-3 patrol officers on the street at any given time to cover the entire city. That is way too few in my opinion. Driving from one end of town to the other can sometimes take 15+ minutes. So if an officer has to wait for backup to do his/her job crooks are going to get away with thier crime. Livermore needs more officers in the streets.
Where did you pull that stat from? I've seen 4 or 5 police cars on one call multiple times in Livermore.
Randall

Pleasanton, CA

#8 Jun 29, 2012
Go away wrote:
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From what I understand there are just 2-3 patrol officers on the street at any given time to cover the entire city. That is way too few in my opinion. Driving from one end of town to the other can sometimes take 15+ minutes. So if an officer has to wait for backup to do his/her job crooks are going to get away with thier crime. Livermore needs more officers in the streets.
maybe what you mean by 2-3 on the street is that there are 2-3 officers patrolling Livermore. Not all police officers on duty are necessarily on the street. They may be on call, dealing with a disturbance at someones house, at the office doing paperwork... Either way youre right there isn't enough. I read that Livermore will be starting a Gang/Drug task force effective July 1st. Hopefully that helps seeing as they cut this from the budget a few years ago and saw the outcome. Up the street from my house there have been several shootings. Also someone was recently shot and is in critical condition right now. Maybe you heard about that one? I think around where Chestnut and N. Livermore meet up. Also, about a month ago cops flooded elm street because people were shooting guns in the street, not at anyone, just shooting them.
Lisa

Livermore, CA

#9 Jun 30, 2012
I think it is also a problem with parents not doing their jobs by letting their kids do whatever they want at any time of the night or day.

Curfew?? what's that? check in on where your kid 'says' they'll be staying the night?? ninny...
Go away

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Jun 30, 2012
TrueRealist wrote:
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Where did you pull that stat from? I've seen 4 or 5 police cars on one call multiple times in Livermore.
I've been told this by 3 different Livermore officers on two different occasions when they came to my home. Once was to take a report and the other was when it took them 20 minutes to get there when someone was trying to come in my back door.
The dispatcher on the phone just told me to not go outside. Gee, thanks. When then first officer arrived he told me he had to wait for back up because they only had three units on the streets that shift.
Also was told the same when I met a LPD dispatcher at a party recently. She said it is frustrating to take calls and have no officers available to send out in response.
Go away

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Jun 30, 2012
Go away wrote:
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I've been told this by 3 different Livermore officers on two different occasions when they came to my home. Once was to take a report and the other was when it took them 20 minutes to get there when someone was trying to come in my back door.
The dispatcher on the phone just told me to not go outside. Gee, thanks. When then first officer arrived he told me he had to wait for back up because they only had three units on the streets that shift.
Also was told the same when I met a LPD dispatcher at a party recently. She said it is frustrating to take calls and have no officers available to send out in response.
Wanted to add that when you see 4+ officers respond to a call it's most likely that a few sergeants and/or captains decided that particular call was a big enough deal for them to leave their office and hit the street. They are not out there responding to typical calls.
Randall

Pleasanton, CA

#12 Jun 30, 2012
Lisa wrote:
I think it is also a problem with parents not doing their jobs by letting their kids do whatever they want at any time of the night or day.
Curfew?? what's that? check in on where your kid 'says' they'll be staying the night?? ninny...
No offense, but i don't like when people blame the parents. I'm 21. I don't have to sneak out anymore, but in high school i snuck out quite a bit. Never stole from any cars. A parents job is to teach their kids good morals. Many kids are going to try and disobey the rules. Adults aren't excluded from this. There are just bigger consequences for the same actions so most people shy away, but I'm sure most adults would steal from someones car if they knew they wouldn't get caught. Police are put in place for exactly this purpose; to protect peoples belongings and self. Instead we have the whole Livermore police force hounding the downtown area every Friday- Sunday trying to catch drunk drivers. Administering long boring and most of the time pointless tests on people JUST TO SEE if they are telling the truth when they say no. Waste of time I don't care how you spin it. Every other night I see a lot of officers sitting in hard-to-see areas, which is not patrolling. The plain truth is we are paying these officers to come and harass people, like us, who have money and are able to pay tickets. AKA the people with money. while people with no money are allowed to do as they want. They cant get a speeding ticket because they don't have a car. Same with a missing tail light/headlight, not wearing a seatbelt, "sporadic" driving, maybe they saw something in the car they thought was suspicious, or even for things hanging from your rear view mirror.. all reasons to pull you over. My friend was pulled over about a year ago, he was not drunk, but was accused of being drunk, and then had to go through the whole DUI routine before proving his innocence. Why was he pulled over? Because his license plate was dirty. While they waste their time doing that, real crimes are being committed. Theft is the biggest problem in Livermore

look at the numbers..........

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Livermor...
Lisa

Livermore, CA

#13 Jul 1, 2012
Randall wrote:
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No offense, but i don't like when people blame the parents. I'm 21. I don't have to sneak out anymore, but in high school i snuck out quite a bit. Never stole from any cars. A parents job is to teach their kids good morals. Many kids are going to try and disobey the rules. Adults aren't excluded from this. There are just bigger consequences for the same actions so most people shy away, but I'm sure most adults would steal from someones car if they knew they wouldn't get caught. Police are put in place for exactly this purpose; to protect peoples belongings and self. Instead we have the whole Livermore police force hounding the downtown area every Friday- Sunday trying to catch drunk drivers. Administering long boring and most of the time pointless tests on people JUST TO SEE if they are telling the truth when they say no. Waste of time I don't care how you spin it. Every other night I see a lot of officers sitting in hard-to-see areas, which is not patrolling. The plain truth is we are paying these officers to come and harass people, like us, who have money and are able to pay tickets. AKA the people with money. while people with no money are allowed to do as they want. They cant get a speeding ticket because they don't have a car. Same with a missing tail light/headlight, not wearing a seatbelt, "sporadic" driving, maybe they saw something in the car they thought was suspicious, or even for things hanging from your rear view mirror.. all reasons to pull you over. My friend was pulled over about a year ago, he was not drunk, but was accused of being drunk, and then had to go through the whole DUI routine before proving his innocence. Why was he pulled over? Because his license plate was dirty. While they waste their time doing that, real crimes are being committed. Theft is the biggest problem in Livermore
look at the numbers..........
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Livermor...
I agree with some of your points, especially that the role of the parent is to teach and the kids don't always do as they have been taught - it's life.

My point was that there are so many uninvolved parents who have no clue what their kids are doing let alone take the time to build a relationship with their kid and provide positive guidance. Those kids learn the hard way, if at all, or learn from other sources [God knows what you'll get there] or much later in life.
Randall

Pleasanton, CA

#14 Jul 1, 2012
Lisa wrote:
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I agree with some of your points, especially that the role of the parent is to teach and the kids don't always do as they have been taught - it's life.
My point was that there are so many uninvolved parents who have no clue what their kids are doing let alone take the time to build a relationship with their kid and provide positive guidance. Those kids learn the hard way, if at all, or learn from other sources [God knows what you'll get there] or much later in life.
Youre right uninvolved parents are part of the problem also. Parenting in general is on a downward slope, some of the parents of my generation didnt do a good job and idk about everyone else, but I see A LOT of young pregnancies these days. Parenting doesn't look too good for the future either. Which is why the POLICE SHOULD GET BETTER AT THEIR JOB. lol sorry I just always feel that I need to say that because no matter how people try to defend the police its always the same conclusion.

I was talking to some of my friends the other day about the police(since Ive just been on a rant for the last few days lol) and all they kept saying was "If you talk bad to or about police they'll treat you poorly. If you're just nice and respectful they leave you alone." I am respectful when I speak to the police. Just not nice. Im not afraid of what they'll do to me. Im not going to allow someone to be rude and forceful with me because someone gave him a badge and said he could. The reason cops are taught scare tactics is to put fear into people. They hide behind ignorant and outlandish reasons as to why they need to act the way they do towards people. Especially young male drivers. All of us are under suspicion of DUI or having marijuana or other drugs. The fact that I'm young is enough probable cause for a cop to want to search my car, pull me out, and put me on the curb. I'm seriously not willing to take it anymore and there are a lot of people that feel the same way.

Since: Jul 11

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#15 Jul 1, 2012
Just FYI. Cops cannot search your vehicle without probable cause. Being young is not probable cause. Never has been and never will be. Please save the sob story about how rough your life is with cops and how tough you are to arrogant cops. We're not buying it.
Randall

Pleasanton, CA

#16 Jul 1, 2012
TrueRealist wrote:
Just FYI. Cops cannot search your vehicle without probable cause. Being young is not probable cause. Never has been and never will be. Please save the sob story about how rough your life is with cops and how tough you are to arrogant cops. We're not buying it.
It seems like you've been pretty hostile throughout this post. Why? Why are you still reading it if you're not buying it, and what is there to buy? I didn't really know what that meant. If you leave your door open when they ask you to step out they're allowed to look through it. Same with your house. That's why when a cop comes to talk to you at your house for a loud party you step outside and close the door behind you. Its hard to close the door when the cop is holding it. It seems like people that aren't young have the easiest time saying that being young isn't probable cause.

If you have any self respect you'll stop posting on this thread. Don't even reply to this.

Since: Jul 11

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#17 Jul 1, 2012
Randall wrote:
<quoted text>It seems like you've been pretty hostile throughout this post. Why? Why are you still reading it if you're not buying it, and what is there to buy? I didn't really know what that meant. If you leave your door open when they ask you to step out they're allowed to look through it. Same with your house. That's why when a cop comes to talk to you at your house for a loud party you step outside and close the door behind you. Its hard to close the door when the cop is holding it. It seems like people that aren't young have the easiest time saying that being young isn't probable cause.

If you have any self respect you'll stop posting on this thread. Don't even reply to this.
Why? Because I think you're clueless and I'm not buying you or your stories. People with something to hide are ways the ones complaining the loudest.

If you get out of your car they cannot search it. If you leave something illegal in plain sight then that's your own fault. They didn't search the car. You gave them probable cause to search the car.

If you have a loud house party that's disturbing neighbors and the cops show up there's 2 things.

1. They can't search the house or come in without your consent unless again you had something illegal in plain view.

2. You're an inconsiderate and immature neighbor that had to have the cops called.

Here's another fun fact. Everyone that is older than you was the same age as you. I know that idea may escape you but as a young person you're not special. You're not a snowflake. You're the exact same thing as millions of "young" people before you and millions more that will come after you. The whole "I'm young and you don't understand" excuse has been played out for decades.

Ps - I graduated in 1998 so I'm far from "old" so how does that apply to your theory?
Nicole

Livermore, CA

#18 Jul 2, 2012
TrueRealist wrote:
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Why? Because I think you're clueless and I'm not buying you or your stories. People with something to hide are ways the ones complaining the loudest.
If you get out of your car they cannot search it. If you leave something illegal in plain sight then that's your own fault. They didn't search the car. You gave them probable cause to search the car.
If you have a loud house party that's disturbing neighbors and the cops show up there's 2 things.
1. They can't search the house or come in without your consent unless again you had something illegal in plain view.
2. You're an inconsiderate and immature neighbor that had to have the cops called.
Here's another fun fact. Everyone that is older than you was the same age as you. I know that idea may escape you but as a young person you're not special. You're not a snowflake. You're the exact same thing as millions of "young" people before you and millions more that will come after you. The whole "I'm young and you don't understand" excuse has been played out for decades.
Ps - I graduated in 1998 so I'm far from "old" so how does that apply to your theory?
I'm 21 years old too and I agree with this.

I'd like to add that looking through a car window is hardly searching the vehicle. Looking through a door is hardly searching a house. I'm glad our cops are receptive to things and aren't blind robots as you imply they should be.
Randall

Pleasanton, CA

#19 Jul 3, 2012
TrueRealist wrote:
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Why? Because I think you're clueless and I'm not buying you or your stories. People with something to hide are ways the ones complaining the loudest.
If you get out of your car they cannot search it. If you leave something illegal in plain sight then that's your own fault. They didn't search the car. You gave them probable cause to search the car.
If you have a loud house party that's disturbing neighbors and the cops show up there's 2 things.
1. They can't search the house or come in without your consent unless again you had something illegal in plain view.
2. You're an inconsiderate and immature neighbor that had to have the cops called.
Here's another fun fact. Everyone that is older than you was the same age as you. I know that idea may escape you but as a young person you're not special. You're not a snowflake. You're the exact same thing as millions of "young" people before you and millions more that will come after you. The whole "I'm young and you don't understand" excuse has been played out for decades.
Ps - I graduated in 1998 so I'm far from "old" so how does that apply to your theory?
you have a serious problem. Am I an inconsiderate neighbor for trying to have the LPD patrol the street? Ive never even had a house party. Closing the door is just common knowledge. I don't have anything illegal in my car. I work 80+ hours a week I dont have time for other illegal activities. Still, I've had problems with police looking through my center console and glove box AND trunk after asking me to get out of my car. I know, its illegal for them to do it. Still the fact is it happens.

If you graduated in 1998 youre 32. Thats not young man. At least not young enough to fit into the category Im talking about. How does that fit into your stereotype? You assuming, judgemental, prick.

And you know what they say about people who assume...

Since: Jul 11

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#20 Jul 3, 2012
Randall wrote:
<quoted text>you have a serious problem. Am I an inconsiderate neighbor for trying to have the LPD patrol the street? Ive never even had a house party. Closing the door is just common knowledge. I don't have anything illegal in my car. I work 80+ hours a week I dont have time for other illegal activities. Still, I've had problems with police looking through my center console and glove box AND trunk after asking me to get out of my car. I know, its illegal for them to do it. Still the fact is it happens.

If you graduated in 1998 youre 32. Thats not young man. At least not young enough to fit into the category Im talking about. How does that fit into your stereotype? You assuming, judgemental, prick.

And you know what they say about people who assume...
So now everything you talked about you haven't experienced? Got it. It's a story that is common knowledge. I said that awhile back didn't I? Thanks for confirming it.

Where did I say 32 was young? I said its not old. Let me break it down again for you. If I'm 32 then that means I was 25, 20, 15, 10, 5 and a newborn. At some point i was the same age as you and whatever age you're referring to. So you think young people are different now than the last several decades? Is it more difficult now? Simple answer. No.

Where did i say that you were inconsiderate for asking for stepped up patrols?

Reading comprehension. Maybe if you could figure it out you wouldn't need to put in 80 hours a week.

I guess when someone can't have an open discussion they resort to fairy tales and name calling. Congrats. You totally got me! My e-feelings are crushed.

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