Downtown overun with kids and homeless
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Since: Mar 12

Livermore, CA

#102 May 18, 2012
The Real Anon wrote:
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That is a truly ignorant post. Downtown is a public space and asset..and you might not like the fact that society imposes some rules on it, but it does. Unless the system completely changes to one with no government or societal control at all,this is what it is. You want anarchy to have a free reign in public spaces? Good luck with that. It might someday happen, but its sure not going to happen in most places in this country. Even if there were no government, and all these kinds of places were under private control, there are still going to be places just as rigidly controlled by its private owners. OF course, some places will be bacchanals - maybe in the aftermath of the elimination of government someone will set up communes full of people who want to live in StonerVille, or a town that is like a big year-round Burning Man, or even some lawless brawling place out of a Mad Max landscape.
But that's not the system we have. I'm not suggesting its perfect or ideal, but its what we've got.
sir, please. You need to improve your reading comprehension skills before you call somebody who referenced the lack of police competance as the blame for illegal activities occuring downtown. Your entire reply about the role of government has nothing to do with what I posted. Understand that my post was about intolerance, and human nature. The same things youth did in the past are happening today and that is not going to change, youths like to experiment which is human nature. I understand that rules need to be abided by, but for someone to ridicule people who havn't matured yet and concern themselves with their ideals is redundant. People need to put the blame were it belongs, if the police do nothing that is what you need to be worried about. If the police do something and the kids don't get the picture, THEN blame them. If I was so ignorant I wouldn't be giving an accurate account as to how these issues existed to a much worse extent in this town 50 years ago. I belive having a good perspective of our blessings is important too, which is why I cannot take such petty complaints seriously. If you belive that im some kind of anarchist because I think some kids smoking pot is not that big of a deal, you should try living in actual anarchy as I have.
naes

San Ramon, CA

#103 May 23, 2012
True Grit wrote:
<quoted text> Occupy Livermore? You've got to be kidding...Don't forget...This is COWBOY country and we'll run your purple head tattooed sorry ass over to Berkeley where you belong.
LOL, we were punks downtown 20 plus years ago and never had any issues with cowboys.

Cowboy country my arse, I see BMW's 10:1 over F150's! This is suburbia, Haas!

“Psalms 47:1-9”

Since: Apr 11

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#104 Jun 10, 2012
All towns seem overrun these days.
True Grit

Oakland, CA

#105 Jun 10, 2012
naes wrote:
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LOL, we were punks downtown 20 plus years ago and never had any issues with cowboys.
Cowboy country my arse, I see BMW's 10:1 over F150's! This is suburbia, Haas!
Rodeo's in town. Sold out, packed house. I see the cowboy tradition still very much alive here in Livermore. You obviously are a Silicon Valley yuppie in your high tech bubble and don't have a clue as to all the tradition still all around you.
Downtownlivn

United States

#106 Jun 10, 2012
I think its funny how people spend so much time worrying about what other people are doing. Personally, I love downtown just as it is, skater kids, metal heads, soccer moms, and bikers
Downtownlivn

United States

#107 Jun 10, 2012
And cowboys
True Grit

Oakland, CA

#108 Jun 10, 2012
Yee Ha

Since: Oct 10

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#109 Jun 11, 2012
TheRealDeal925 wrote:
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sir, please. You need to improve your reading comprehension skills before you call somebody who referenced the lack of police competance as the blame for illegal activities occuring downtown. Your entire reply about the role of government has nothing to do with what I posted. Understand that my post was about intolerance, and human nature. The same things youth did in the past are happening today and that is not going to change, youths like to experiment which is human nature. I understand that rules need to be abided by, but for someone to ridicule people who havn't matured yet and concern themselves with their ideals is redundant. People need to put the blame were it belongs, if the police do nothing that is what you need to be worried about. If the police do something and the kids don't get the picture, THEN blame them. If I was so ignorant I wouldn't be giving an accurate account as to how these issues existed to a much worse extent in this town 50 years ago. I belive having a good perspective of our blessings is important too, which is why I cannot take such petty complaints seriously. If you belive that im some kind of anarchist because I think some kids smoking pot is not that big of a deal, you should try living in actual anarchy as I have.
You said people were intolerant and complaining of petty things. First of all, that isn't true. What we're intolerant of is a public nuisance that is generated from the behavior of some people, not the incompetence of the police. And when this behavior interferes with the enjoyment of public space by all then it is not petty.
Societies have rules and standards, and they change over time. Thus what may have been tolerated in the 60s or 70s is not the same as what people are comfortable with today.
Regardless of general attitudes, our downtown space is a place for commerce and businesses offering a variety of pursuits, from dining and socializing to shopping. It is the right of Livermore residents to have peaceable and tranquil enjoyment of the premises without being yelled at or otherwise harassed by obnoxious teenagers, or panhandled by dirty smelly homeless people who tend to be afflicted by a variety of mental illnesses. These people should clear out or be cleared out, and its my understanding that you feel the only people responsible for this situation are the police for not clearing them out. But obviously the people behaving in this manner are the ones responsible.

Since: Sep 12

Livermore, CA

#110 Sep 27, 2012
I'm all for kids being kids. But sometimes it's not that simple. These kids outside of yin yin have become increasingly more brash in their behavior. Smoking pot in the middle of crowded downtown, getting so drunk they can't stand and starting fights with every passerby and themselves.

I was no angel when I was younger but I had the common sense to find a place out of the public eye to drink and smoke pot. No one should have to clutch their children for safety walking down the street because of ignorant, disrespectful little shits like these kids.

Maybe it's the parents or maybe it's livermore police having their hands tied on what they can and can't do, keep in mind a lot of these kids are minors. We get it you little prosti-tots, you're full of angst and feel like this world owes you something for you simply existing. In time they will learn how this kind of behavior is only making their lives worse, or who knows maybe they don't care.

Either way, it is a problem that needs to be seriously looked into. Not to mention there is a kid in a teal toyota camry who provides escape services for these kids if they find out the cops are on the way. They know what they are doing is wrong, they are just to cowardly to deal with their consequences.

As for the homeless, yes a lot of them are despicable people who do terrible things. Stealing tips from the Ale House, stealing bicycles, masturbating or defecating in public, sexually assaulting innocent people, and breaking into local businesses such as ABC Music. Having said that I feel it's important for me to say that I do not view all of the homeless in this way. There are plenty who do not associate themselves with these low lifes, some of them are surprisingly intelligent and well versed.

In closing I feel that the kids are a more immediate issue than the homeless at this point. They are the ones who constantly try to push the boundaries of what they can get away with. Not to mention if I ever have to see 2 extremely unkempt overweight girls fighting over a crackhead looking guy because they're drunk and young, I don't know what I will do... Nobody needs to see your fat rolls and dinner plate nipples because you two can't seem to get your shit together.

I am a long time resident of Livermore and I hate to see it in this state of constant decline.

A message to the kids out there:

I can't tell you what to do, I'm not your parent (thank god) and I am not responsible for you. Just have a little tact and try to cut out the shit, I promise you that you will have less drama to deal with.
blessed4

Union City, CA

#111 Sep 27, 2012
Homeless Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>Ssophiiee,
I have to respond to your post about people other than Livermore Residents coming to Livermore for benefits offered to the homeless. I am very involved with the homeless population, I am the Director of the Homeless Refuge here in town (volunteer position). I can tell you that 99% of our guests that stay at the shelter are from Livermore (most born and raised and attended Livermore schools). Once in a while we get someone from out of town that are just passing through and might stay for a day or even a week but never for very long.

On average we have between 16 and 20 people per night that stay with us and several of them have jobs but simply cannot afford an apartment or home. We do not allow guests to come in drunk or high and have them sign a contract saying the will follow our rules or risk being thrown out. Most people that stay with us are respectful and appreciate that they have a place to lay their heads down at night where they won't be cold or get wet. We are an emergency refuge and are only open from November 1st-April 30th during inclement weather (due to city permits).

I'm sure that there are still many that hang around downtown that won't come stay with us because of the rules that we have in place and they may be the people that you are seeing down at Panama (maybe they are from out of town). Not sure if this is true or not but several homeless people told me that Panama has decided to refuse service to the homeless (any idea if this is true?) Don't get me wrong, this is their right to refuse service to anyone. Maybe they are sick of the crowds that hang out on the benches and feel this will cut back on some of the problems. I was just wondering, I don't want to start a verbal war with anyone over this (It could be that I am not getting the whole story).

Helping people is a passion of mine and I realize not everyone feels this way about the homeless but please respect my decision to do what I do and don't respond with anger or hurtful comments (Ssophiiee, I'm not saying you would but I have seen some pretty awful comments from others that don't like some posts and they often give a verbal tongue lashing).

Please check out our website www.livermorehomelessrefuge.org (you can also sign up to volunteer on the site).

ps. It is our goal to be a stepping stone for the homeless and hope they will find housing while taking advantage of being inside. We have had several already this year that are now off of the streets and in a home!

Thanks for taking the time to read my post, I didn't mean for it to turn into a novel!
I have had the pleasure of working with you on clothing and fundraising for the Homeless. God truly works through you to take care of our fellow human beings. This is truly your calling. God Bless You!
blessed4

Union City, CA

#112 Sep 27, 2012
Nicole wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see the part where he's asking for your pity. I think what he's doing is quite impressive and find that we he has to say and his knowledge on the homeless situation is much more important to the topic than your sarcasm.
Great comment, I couldn't have said it better.

Since: Sep 12

Concord, CA

#113 Nov 2, 2012
Rainbow wrote:
So you people are sitting at your computers bitching about the problem.. why dont you tell the city of livermore to stop building up stuff for the RICH and start building places for the youth to go!!
And you people complain about homeless people, yea sure some of them are drunk bums but other people asking for change are JUST PEOPLE IN A CRAPPY SITUATION TRYING TO GET MONEY FOR FOOD. You rich people really need to stop judging the poor. Have any of you ever lost everthing you had and had to sleep outdoors in the cold, hungry and usually sick or depressed? i bet not.
Boo f*cking hoo! Skatepark, movie theatres, art workshops, live music, events and parades. Crocodile tears for these kids, they have plenty to do, but they can't buy alcohol or drugs at these places.
Sal

San Ramon, CA

#114 Nov 2, 2012
Hmmmm wrote:
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With a response like that, sounds like you are on the same level as the people that we are discussing in this forum. But funny you say that anyway, since most of the people I know from Pleasanton come in to Livermore because they can't stand Pleasanton and its dismal downtown area, with overpriced shopping and crappy restaurants.
And the swarms of Middle Easterners and Chinese. GTFO!

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