Downtown overun with kids and homeless
naes

San Ramon, CA

#21 Jun 7, 2011
P Town Native wrote:
Like I've been saying all along, your city has gone downhill and always smells like piss.
How's Pastime smelling and your ghost-downtown?
tina

Dublin, CA

#22 Jun 7, 2011
naes wrote:
Who cares if kids are getting a little rowdy down there? Be glad they have a place to go. When I grew up in this town the downtown had the fun factory and that was it.
By comparison, that's nothing compared to the homeless drinking and pissing down there. It's pretty clear that the City doesn't give a crap about the problem. I understand that there are people who need a hand but they aren't the same ones drinking and pissing all over the place. There was a guy last year who dropped a deuce on a bench in front of a restaurant!!
I care. When I walk downtown with my family and those punks are on the benchs smoking and making comments, it makes me feel unwelcome. Me, the taxpayer who helps support the city, the taxpayer who actually has money to go and spend at the downtown businesses to help "buy local" and support our own. These kids are there all day! The other day I was with my kids school on a walking tour of the downtown and there were all these kids hanging out during school hours! Why are they not in school? Is it becuase they are the losers that go to the homeschool, one day a week Vineyard HS and spend all the rest of their day downtown just chilling doing nothing? No jobs, no money to spend, they just hang out wasting their day away. It is kids like this that are a drain on our ecomony and society. I can say this with some knowledge as I seen one of my neighbors down there and he is the biggest pothead around!
naes

San Ramon, CA

#23 Jun 8, 2011
tina wrote:
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I care. When I walk downtown with my family and those punks are on the benchs smoking and making comments, it makes me feel unwelcome. Me, the taxpayer who helps support the city, the taxpayer who actually has money to go and spend at the downtown businesses to help "buy local" and support our own. These kids are there all day! The other day I was with my kids school on a walking tour of the downtown and there were all these kids hanging out during school hours! Why are they not in school? Is it becuase they are the losers that go to the homeschool, one day a week Vineyard HS and spend all the rest of their day downtown just chilling doing nothing? No jobs, no money to spend, they just hang out wasting their day away. It is kids like this that are a drain on our ecomony and society. I can say this with some knowledge as I seen one of my neighbors down there and he is the biggest pothead around!
Kids sitting on a bench smoking are not a drain on society or our economy. Even those Jesus freaks that are down there every once and a while don't deter anyone from buying a coffee.
I should have been more clear when I used rowdy, however. That term is VERY subjective. What I think ids rowdyyou nay think is WAY out of control.
Regardless, if you are threatened or witness illegal activity you must call the police. If enough people do and the police break up the group they will find a new place to hang out.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#24 Jun 8, 2011
naes wrote:
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Kids sitting on a bench smoking are not a drain on society or our economy. Even those Jesus freaks that are down there every once and a while don't deter anyone from buying a coffee.
I should have been more clear when I used rowdy, however. That term is VERY subjective. What I think ids rowdyyou nay think is WAY out of control.
Regardless, if you are threatened or witness illegal activity you must call the police. If enough people do and the police break up the group they will find a new place to hang out.
I think what most people mean, and I'm going to be as always, forthright with my opinion, is that we don't like to be around this element of society - the homeless, for obvious reasons, are a blight on what is otherwise a beautiful downtown. These slacker idiot kids are also somewhat of an annoyance - and if they're harassing passers-by then their presence downtown is disruptive and also a blight. Behavior issues are really a grey area, because in order for it to be unlawful it needs to be pretty egregrious. However, even if it doesn't rise to the level of an offense, any police officer can disperse a crowd, or order an individual to leave an area, in order to restore a peaceable environment , because they have a large amount of leeway for determining what is "disorderly".

As for this being a magnet for delinquents, and for parents who are concerned that their minor children might be consuming alcohol or tobacco products downtown - these substance violations can be easily detected. All they need is a non-uniformed officer to observe it.

I'm not a big fan of the govt telling people what they can put in their bodies, but public smoking is a public nuisance, in my opinion, and nobody has the right to unnecessarily pollute our outdoor spaces with filthy cigarette smoke. Its one thing to drive a car because it serves a common purpose, its another to create noxious substances purely for your own consumption and enjoyment and then spew them into the air that others must breathe merely because they wish to also enjoy being in a public area. That ain't right.
Hmmmm

San Mateo, CA

#25 Jun 8, 2011
Just read an article that 2 homeless people beat a man unconcious in Livermore over the weekend. Not sure what provoked it, but still, it is getting worse and worse. I read it in livermorepatch
DojoRat

Livermore, CA

#26 Jun 8, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
Just read an article that 2 homeless people beat a man unconcious in Livermore over the weekend. Not sure what provoked it, but still, it is getting worse and worse. I read it in livermorepatch
Yeah, two homeless guys beat up another homeless guy at 2:20 in the morning.

Further proof that nothing good ever happens at 2am...
Hmmmm

San Mateo, CA

#27 Jun 8, 2011
DojoRat wrote:
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Yeah, two homeless guys beat up another homeless guy at 2:20 in the morning.
Further proof that nothing good ever happens at 2am...
The time really doesn't have anything to do with it, it is the people involved. My friends and I go out dancing sometimes and close the place down, get in our cab and go home. But as I said, they don't know what happened, maybe this gentleman provoked the homeless men, maybe he didn't. Either way the actions taken were wrong but thankfully all involved were caught. Whether provoked or not, beating someone when he was already down should not go without consequences.

Since: Mar 11

Livermore 94551

#28 Jun 8, 2011
Thank you everyone for your comments. The point is that the cops aren't enforcing the laws that are already in place. And the laws in place are not cutting it. The kids and homeless who loiter outside Yin Yin are drinking (underage bought by the adult homeless) and the cops don't respond when called. They simply roll through the stop sign and look over. Underage drinking is illegal, something can be done. And I strongly believe if the cops start stopping by, asking questions, issuing citations, and make arrests...the word will get out that downtown is no longer a free-for-all to drink, do drugs, play loud music, fight, yell at people and hang around all day and night. Once that is known, I think those people will stop coming.

I come downtown on a daily basis and see what's happening to the area. I know the homeless and irritating teenagers have been part of downtown for a long time, but it seems to be getting worse, in numbers and severity. Homeless are coming from all over California because of Livermore's world class shelters, soup kitchens, showers, and laundry service. But that's an entirely different issue.
naes

San Ramon, CA

#29 Jun 9, 2011
Ssophiiee wrote:
Thank you everyone for your comments. The point is that the cops aren't enforcing the laws that are already in place. And the laws in place are not cutting it. The kids and homeless who loiter outside Yin Yin are drinking (underage bought by the adult homeless) and the cops don't respond when called. They simply roll through the stop sign and look over. Underage drinking is illegal, something can be done. And I strongly believe if the cops start stopping by, asking questions, issuing citations, and make arrests...the word will get out that downtown is no longer a free-for-all to drink, do drugs, play loud music, fight, yell at people and hang around all day and night. Once that is known, I think those people will stop coming.
I come downtown on a daily basis and see what's happening to the area. I know the homeless and irritating teenagers have been part of downtown for a long time, but it seems to be getting worse, in numbers and severity. Homeless are coming from all over California because of Livermore's world class shelters, soup kitchens, showers, and laundry service. But that's an entirely different issue.
Like I said, unless YOU are proactive and report what you see you are part of the problem. Most people doing illegal things are prety good about hiding it when they see a cop drive by.

I'd love to see some proof of our world class programs attracting the homeless. Please provide a link.

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#30 Jun 9, 2011
long time resident wrote:
Back 25+ years ago it was cruising and hanging out in the Burger King parking lot. And the only reason we hung out there is because it was the only place we weren't harassed and herded out. And we had the "skater punks" and "potheads" back then, too. The kids haven't changed. It's those of us that used to be those kids that have grown up and now see how obnoxious we were back then. But anything unlawful should be reported to the police.
And things are just getting started. School ends this week, and then where will all these kids be? Downtown all day long is my bet. There are a LOT more things going on for kids than there were back when I was that age, but you can't force parents to be parents.
I have to ask. What are the a lot more things that you talk about. Please name some. Why is it ok for you to be a teenager but its not ok for these kids to be teenagers. Everyone on here sounds like pleasanton residents. I could careless about what these kids do downtown. Its all the same as it was for a 100 years. I use to love coming into Livermore to cruise on Friday night. We always had a good time. Maybe that is why I moved here. I would love to see that come back for the kids. My daughter is 24 and she does not have a clue to what its like to cruise down any street. I remember telling her that on a good night it would take us over a hour to drive from Safeway down to the flag pole.
81 Hater

Tracy, CA

#31 Jun 9, 2011
What I love is that you don't want gov't influence in your or anyone else's life. Unless of course it's to your advantage. Kinda Hypocritical considering the incessant babble you have continuously posted on this site.
The Real Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what most people mean, and I'm going to be as always, forthright with my opinion, is that we don't like to be around this element of society - the homeless, for obvious reasons, are a blight on what is otherwise a beautiful downtown. These slacker idiot kids are also somewhat of an annoyance - and if they're harassing passers-by then their presence downtown is disruptive and also a blight. Behavior issues are really a grey area, because in order for it to be unlawful it needs to be pretty egregrious. However, even if it doesn't rise to the level of an offense, any police officer can disperse a crowd, or order an individual to leave an area, in order to restore a peaceable environment , because they have a large amount of leeway for determining what is "disorderly".
As for this being a magnet for delinquents, and for parents who are concerned that their minor children might be consuming alcohol or tobacco products downtown - these substance violations can be easily detected. All they need is a non-uniformed officer to observe it.
I'm not a big fan of the govt telling people what they can put in their bodies, but public smoking is a public nuisance, in my opinion, and nobody has the right to unnecessarily pollute our outdoor spaces with filthy cigarette smoke. Its one thing to drive a car because it serves a common purpose, its another to create noxious substances purely for your own consumption and enjoyment and then spew them into the air that others must breathe merely because they wish to also enjoy being in a public area. That ain't right.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#32 Jun 10, 2011
81 Hater wrote:
What I love is that you don't want gov't influence in your or anyone else's life. Unless of course it's to your advantage. Kinda Hypocritical considering the incessant babble you have continuously posted on this site.
<quoted text>
Like what? I'm not being hypocritical...in fact I'm recognizing the inherent limitations of Statist society. Government meddling and interference is what prevents markets from operating normally. Without all these welfare handouts, all of the people who subsist on them wouldn't be here.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#33 Jun 10, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
<quoted text>Its all the same as it was for a 100 years. I use to love coming into Livermore to cruise on Friday night. We always had a good time. Maybe that is why I moved here. I would love to see that come back for the kids. My daughter is 24 and she does not have a clue to what its like to cruise down any street. I remember telling her that on a good night it would take us over a hour to drive from Safeway down to the flag pole.
Is that because you and Fred would get blisters on your feet? Yabba dabba doo!

:)

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#34 Jun 10, 2011
Ssophiiee wrote:
Thank you everyone for your comments. The point is that the cops aren't enforcing the laws that are already in place. And the laws in place are not cutting it...
I would not expect much more from the Police or the Council. The special public "Homeless Meeting" at Robert Livermore Community Center hosted by the City in Livermore centered not on the issues that residents suffer because of their presence or fixing the problem but rather on how we can "coddle" and "attract" the homeless.

Since: Mar 11

Livermore 94551

#35 Jun 10, 2011
naes wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, unless YOU are proactive and report what you see you are part of the problem. Most people doing illegal things are prety good about hiding it when they see a cop drive by.
I'd love to see some proof of our world class programs attracting the homeless. Please provide a link.
http://livermore.patch.com/articles/community...

This is an article about the homeless. Within the article it lists the amenities for homeless. I don't have a problem with helping our own. But we have people coming from all over California to live on Livermore streets. I sit outside Panama Red every morning before school/work, I know this because I hear them talking while sitting/drinking on the bench across K street.

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#36 Jun 11, 2011
The Real Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that because you and Fred would get blisters on your feet? Yabba dabba doo!
:)
Now that is odd that you would say that. When I was in high school some of my friends called me Barny Rubles
Ronnie the Limo Driver

San Ramon, CA

#37 Jun 11, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
<quoted text>Now that is odd that you would say that. When I was in high school some of my friends called me Barny Rubles
Is it because you are fat and stupid?
Hmmmm

Vernalis, CA

#38 Jun 11, 2011
Seriously!!!! Why do you people always insist on taking these threads off topic. You are Immature. Go on the Disney channel website and get off this one, this is for adults with opinions, not immature people with nothing good to say.

Since: Mar 11

Livermore 94551

#39 Jun 11, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
Seriously!!!! Why do you people always insist on taking these threads off topic. You are Immature. Go on the Disney channel website and get off this one, this is for adults with opinions, not immature people with nothing good to say.
Thank you. You've said it well. I'm surprised no one has blamed Obama yet. Or mentioned how it's liberals and conservatives fault.
tina

Dublin, CA

#40 Jun 12, 2011
naes wrote:
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Kids sitting on a bench smoking are not a drain on society or our economy. Even those Jesus freaks that are down there every once and a while don't deter anyone from buying a coffee.
I should have been more clear when I used rowdy, however. That term is VERY subjective. What I think ids rowdyyou nay think is WAY out of control.
Regardless, if you are threatened or witness illegal activity you must call the police. If enough people do and the police break up the group they will find a new place to hang out.
The kids I am talking about are not just smoking cigeretts, they are smoking weed and doing other drugs. I have not personally seen them doing it in public otherwise you bet the cops would be called on them, but I do know for a fact this is happening as my kids know some of them and they are the losers that attend Vineyard and Del Valle and they don't even go to school during the day. At Panama Bay they sit outside on the benches and just stare at everyone making us feel like we don't belong. I won't even go to Pamana anymore for my afternoon coffee due to these loser kids sitting outside. Sadly I don't think the parents do anything as I am sure the reason these kids are in the situation they are in is due to poor parenting in the first place. I am just tired of the downtown becoming such a hangout for the blight of the town and not the envisioned hotspot for local shoppers and diners.

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